Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Realt Dearg Sec · 25-08-2016 09:32PM

blackcard wrote: »

So, any opinions on what the team should be. Joyce definitely back at centre back, Fogarty to midfield. Lester Ryan or TJ Reid in midfield. I would go with TJ leaving the forwards as Walter Walsh, Richie Hogan, Eoin Larkin, JonJo Farrell, Colin Fennelly and Liam Blanchfield. Anyone with a different opinion?

Largely agree with that, Reid in the middle if the field was beneficial the last day. I would probably start Lester Ryan as well, at wing forward, and let he and Reid alternate midfield as the game develops. Dunno if they'll take that approach but it gives you some flexibility regarding how to deploy tj. Blanch to give way, coming in as a sub. There's not much tweaking to be done from what I can see, although maybe we'll see another surprise sprung as often happens on all Ireland weekends.

dubcat51 · 25-08-2016 09:59PM

Can see blanch starting and his confidence right up(just like ger awlyard last year)also see walter tj and larks on the 45.colin blanch jj in the full.richie and fogarty midfield with richie swapping on and off with tj.joyce back in with the other 5 backs.think john walsh will make the bench.

unrealtime · 26-08-2016 09:17AM

agree with that team - with TJ at midfield and Joyce at CB. With the ref on our side also we should be hard to beat.

dastardly00 · 26-08-2016 09:48AM

unrealtime wrote: »

With the ref on our side also we should be hard to beat.

Ah would you give it a rest with all the referee BS.

minty81 · 26-08-2016 10:50AM

I think 2 main options.

Fogarty & Lester
Wally Richie Tj
Blanchfield Colin F Larkin

Or

Fogarty & Tj
Wally Richie Larkin
Farrell Colin Blanchfield

I'd be very surprised if Richie doesn't start centre forward

danganabu · 26-08-2016 11:31AM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Ah would you give it a rest with all the referee BS.

FYP

Cornerback1 · 26-08-2016 01:04PM

I'd like to see Blanchfield starting from the point of view that he'll have a serious height advantage over whoever marks him and it'll put the pressure on the Tipperary full back line straight away.

kk.man · 26-08-2016 01:55PM

minty81 wrote: »

I think 2 main options.

Fogarty & Lester
Wally Richie Tj
Blanchfield Colin F Larkin

Or

Fogarty & Tj
Wally Richie Larkin
Farrell Colin Blanchfield

I'd be very surprised if Richie doesn't start centre forward

I think Fogarty will remain CB

Lester TJ
Wally Richie Power
Colin Blanch Larkin

dastardly00 · 26-08-2016 02:37PM

My choice would be Joyce at centre-back and Fogarty at midfield.

danganabu · 26-08-2016 02:41PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

My choice would be Joyce at centre-back and Fogarty at midfield.

I'd be amazed it that's not what happens. I have always had the feeling that Cody has never really fully trusted Lester Ryan and would be surprised to see him start. Joyce had one bad day against a guy, while terribly inconsistent and petulant, who when on fire is unmarkable. Bonner Maher is decent in the air but not in Gleesons league, it will be a totally different challenge.

tbiggertycome · 26-08-2016 05:28PM

Personally I would like to see us line out as follows
Scruffy
Murphy, Joey, Prender
Walsh, Joyce, Buck
Fogarty, Richie
Wally, TJ, Power/Lester (which ever is going better in training I'd prefer to start Lester and bring on Power)
Blanch, Colin, Larks

I could see Richie and TJ changing like Richie and Fennelly did too T. De Burca in the semi replay and they'd cause R Maher untold trouble. If you look at Tipps players in the middle third where they expect their going to come and hit us hard it includes 4 lads who haven't played in an AI before and two are in their first season thats a lot of inexperience in that vital middle third.
Tipps middle third players- this match would be there (?th)AI apperance (including the drawn match)
Seamus Kennedy(1st), Ronan Maher(1st), Padraig Maher(6th)
Brendan Maher(6th-1 as sub), Michael Breen (1st)
Dan McCormick (1st), Bonner(5th), Noel McGrath(6th)

Compare that to our middle third players as named above
Walsh(4th- 1 as sub), Joyce(5th), Buck(5th)
Fogarty(4th), Richie(8th- 1 as sub)
Wally(4th), TJ(10th- 3 as sub), Power(4th- 2 as sub)
The as sub means they took the field, I didn't count games or years where they stayed on the bench lots of our lads only made the team in '12 or '14 but still have had the experience of being there on the pitch on at least 4 occassions.

I would say with 4 AI debutants in that middle third, at least 1 of them is in for a tough day, 1 will probably excel and the other two could go either way.

The likely match ups
Murphy v John McGrath- I would be happy Murphy will keep him fairly quite we won't ever stop him scoring we just need to keep him out of the net
Joey v Callanan- Joey should be really confident after the semi's, again keep him out of the net and let Murphy sweep up the loose ball
Prender v Bubbles- strangely enough I'm happy at the thought of Prender on Bubbles, Prender won't dominate him but he'll go about his business quietly

Padraig v Noel McGrath- I'd be happy if Padraig stops him spraying it around and wins all in the air
Joyce v Bonner- I think Joyce has the winning of this one
Buck v Dan McCormick- Buck should get well on top here with any luck, McCormick might win the odd high ball but after that it should all be Buckley

Conor and Richie v Brendan Maher and Michael Breen- Ideally I'd like to see Conor on Brendan and Richie ghosting away from Breen giving him something to concentrate on and curtail his forward drives and if it doesn't Richie will run amok

Wally v Padraig Maher- I think Wally can keep him quite and cause trouble I think it's important to stop Maher making catches that inspire Tipp.
TJ v Ronan Maher- if TJ can do what the Waterford U21's did to Ronan Maher we'd practically have the game won.
John Power v Seamus Kennedy- I'd be happy with a break even here.

Blanchield v Micky Cahill- High ball in here and Blanch would cause lots of trouble.
Colin v Barry- I think Colin could run riot in here if we play smart we can give him loads of joy in there.
Larkin v Cathal Barrett- Larkin probably won't spend long in here but when he is high ball over Barrett is the name of the game.

I'd love to see Larkin and Blanch camp out in their respective corners for the first 15 mins and we send low diagonal ball into Colin this would cause loads of trouble for Barry. If their men don't want to stay out there with them let the ball into Blanch & Larks and tip it over the bar running back out.

All of this is based on us playing at least too the level we played against Waterford the second day if not higher and even at that it'll be very close I reckon. There's never much between us but if we can keep them to less than two goals I reckon we'll have it in the end.

blackcard · 26-08-2016 06:07PM

I see if the all stars were picked now, the bookies have Tipp favourite for 8 positions with 4 for KK, Eoin Murphy Paul Murphy Tj Reid and Richie Hogan. Tipps eight are James Barry, Cathal Barrett, Pauric Maher, Michael Breen, John O'Dwyer, Noel McGrath, John McGrath and Seamus Callinan. The remaining three are Austin Gleeson, Daithi Burke and David Burke. Tbh, I don't care if they give all 15 to Tipp as long as we win.

dastardly00 · 26-08-2016 06:50PM

blackcard wrote: »

I see if the all stars were picked now, the bookies have Tipp favourite for 8 positions with 4 for KK, Eoin Murphy Paul Murphy Tj Reid and Richie Hogan. Tipps eight are James Barry, Cathal Barrett, Pauric Maher, Michael Breen, John O'Dwyer, Noel McGrath, John McGrath and Seamus Callinan. The remaining three are Austin Gleeson, Daithi Burke and David Burke. Tbh, I don't care if they give all 15 to Tipp as long as we win.

I'd be of the same opinion that I won't be upset about the All-Stars as long as we win.

I think the four picked by the bookies are all sure enough to get an All-Star. Cillian Buckley is probably the best of the rest of the KK players not mentioned in the above list.

Cornerback1 · 26-08-2016 09:02PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

I see if the all stars were picked now, the bookies have Tipp favourite for 8 positions with 4 for KK, Eoin Murphy Paul Murphy Tj Reid and Richie Hogan. Tipps eight are James Barry, Cathal Barrett, Pauric Maher, Michael Breen, John O'Dwyer, Noel McGrath, John McGrath and Seamus Callinan. The remaining three are Austin Gleeson, Daithi Burke and David Burke. Tbh, I don't care if they give all 15 to Tipp as long as we win.

I'd be of the same opinion that I won't be upset about the All-Stars as long as we win.

I think the four picked by the bookies are all sure enough to get an All-Star. Cillian Buckley is probably the best of the rest of the KK players not mentioned in the above list.

The All Stars are an added bonus for the players - individual awards are all well and good.

Whoever wins the final will probably get 6 or 7, the runners up will get 4 or 5 and the others shared out amongst the semi-finalists.

dubcat51 · 26-08-2016 09:27PM

Would have barron from waterford in myself and wally.think walter was our stand out player in the league and his performace against galway and waterford in the championship rould get my vote.

Arcade_Tryer · 26-08-2016 10:26PM

If Colin Fennelly delivers in the final he should be nailed on for an all star.

Buckley should be in the running too.

Stripeymen · 27-08-2016 11:02AM

First time post long time reader..
I love your prediction on the possible line ups. If kilkenny are at their peak which I think they will be after the two amazing battles with waterford minus fennelly I give us every chance. But Tipp will not want to lose this game it's probably unimaginable for them could they bear they media and personal slaggibg that would come their way after making such a song and dance that they would have bet us last year. Have Tipp been really tested ?? They destroyed waterford in the MF but WAT still had the back door they bet Galway without canning for the 2nd half and they fell over the line . It's going to be a belter but I just feel that tipp are putting themselves in very vunrable position of having to win. KK have nothing to lose they owe us nothing. Mon the Cats !!

tbiggertycome · 27-08-2016 12:06PM

Stripeymen wrote: »

First time post long time reader..
I love your prediction on the possible line ups. If kilkenny are at their peak which I think they will be after the two amazing battles with waterford minus fennelly I give us every chance. But Tipp will not want to lose this game it's probably unimaginable for them could they bear they media and personal slaggibg that would come their way after making such a song and dance that they would have bet us last year. Have Tipp been really tested ?? They destroyed waterford in the MF but WAT still had the back door they bet Galway without canning for the 2nd half and they fell over the line . It's going to be a belter but I just feel that tipp are putting themselves in very vunrable position of having to win. KK have nothing to lose they owe us nothing. Mon the Cats !!

Welcome and fair dues for getting involved in the discussion.

I would agree Tipp have had very little testing but they can only beat whats in front of them at the same time and while Waterford fell apart in the Munster final I think a lot of the credit there has to go to Tipperary in the first place for ripping them apart particularly at the start of the second half, the last 20-25mins of the game was not a contest, Waterford had given up at that stage. So yes not a lot can be read into the result but a bit can be read into the first 45 mins and Tipp out fought Waterford for most of that. I do think however that Waterford went back and refocused and obviously changed tactics for the semi and were a different animal to what Tipp beat.

I would agree Canning and Touhy could easily have swung that game for Galway or even leaving Coen in midfield would have helped a lot. Galway put it up to Tipp physically and most of them were able for it a few struggled but I would say Galway were also a notch or two better than what we faced in the Leinster final.

As most on here have said there won't be much between them but hopefully two very intense games will have brought us up another level again. If we sharpen up our first touch, bring the same intensity and our shot/pass selection is a bit better we should get past them.

The one thing Tipp think is different this year is there ability to win a close contest. If you look at all our games League and Championship since 09 they either wallop us but if it's close 3-4 points with ten to go we invariably come out on top. I believe the same will apply again because grinding out a win against Limerick and Galway is completely different to grinding out a win against Kilkenny, just ask Waterford.

The only part of your post I don't get is the

Stripeymen wrote: »

after making such a song and dance that they would have bet us last year.

Was this fans or the team? I don't remember hearing or reading anything like that. I'm not having a go I just must have missed it.

Stripeymen · 27-08-2016 06:22PM

It was one of the first things Michael lester said last week after tipp bet Galway last wk on the Sunday game. Plus I have been talking to alot of tipp guys lately and that's what they believe. That makes next Sunday all the more interesting as Cyril farrell said "I don't know what tipp will do if they don't win "

Motivator · 27-08-2016 07:12PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

No chance of being roasted playing on bonner maher.joyce has always had his number.

That's a statement that is going to come back & haunt you.

Mulbert · 27-08-2016 09:14PM

dubcat51 wrote:

Would have barron from waterford in myself and wally.think walter was our stand out player in the league and his performace against galway and waterford in the championship rould get my vote.

I agree, Walsh will definitely get one, then Gleason along with one maybe two, from Barron, Brick, Mahony and Moran,
in that order.

Shirleysrumbler · 27-08-2016 10:56PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Welcome and fair dues for getting involved in the discussion.

I would agree Tipp have had very little testing but they can only beat whats in front of them at the same time and while Waterford fell apart in the Munster final I think a lot of the credit there has to go to Tipperary in the first place for ripping them apart particularly at the start of the second half, the last 20-25mins of the game was not a contest, Waterford had given up at that stage. So yes not a lot can be read into the result but a bit can be read into the first 45 mins and Tipp out fought Waterford for most of that. I do think however that Waterford went back and refocused and obviously changed tactics for the semi and were a different animal to what Tipp beat.

I would agree Canning and Touhy could easily have swung that game for Galway or even leaving Coen in midfield would have helped a lot. Galway put it up to Tipp physically and most of them were able for it a few struggled but I would say Galway were also a notch or two better than what we faced in the Leinster final.

As most on here have said there won't be much between them but hopefully two very intense games will have brought us up another level again. If we sharpen up our first touch, bring the same intensity and our shot/pass selection is a bit better we should get past them.

The one thing Tipp think is different this year is there ability to win a close contest. If you look at all our games League and Championship since 09 they either wallop us but if it's close 3-4 points with ten to go we invariably come out on top. I believe the same will apply again because grinding out a win against Limerick and Galway is completely different to grinding out a win against Kilkenny, just ask Waterford.

The only part of your post I don't get is the

Was this fans or the team? I don't remember hearing or reading anything like that. I'm not having a go I just must have missed it.

I Felt that Tipp's touch was far ahead of Galway's the last day. Galway fluffed too many balls or failed to control balls at vital stages. On the other hand Kilkenny won't have the size factor on their side that the Tribesmen had .I genuinely feel that if we can manage intensity with a bit of craft it will first of all negate Tipp's skill advantage and secondly sow the seed s of doubt in Tipp players' heads re. the physical edge that Ml Ryan has brought to them in the last twelve months. Remember that there is still a doubt about the temperament of Padraig Maher, Brendan Maher, Noel Mc Grath and of course Bubbles(if he's started)

Joe_ Public · 27-08-2016 11:31PM

Stripeymen wrote: »

It was one of the first things Michael lester said last week after tipp bet Galway last wk on the Sunday game. Plus I have been talking to alot of tipp guys lately and that's what they believe. That makes next Sunday all the more interesting as Cyril farrell said "I don't know what tipp will do if they don't win "

Must say I don't know how anyone could say Tipp would have beaten KK had they beat Galway last year. They might have, sure, but can't see any solid basis why they definitely would have. I say that as a Tipp person myself. I'm sure there were some Tipp people felt that way, but can't say I know too many myself anyway.

As for what Cyril says, well I suppose they'll just go away and lick their wounds, regroup and wait for spring, go hard at it again. I dont' know why it should be such a conundrum for him.

dubcat51 · 28-08-2016 01:38PM

Motivator wrote: »

That's a statement that is going to come back & haunt you.

We will see.

Motivator · 28-08-2016 02:04PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

We will see.

Well I can guarantee it. Joyce is poor, Bonner Maher is the best playmaker in the country & can score as well. Joyce will get the runaround like he did in the semi final.

dastardly00 · 28-08-2016 02:38PM

Motivator wrote: »

Well I can guarantee it.

Well that is a statement that could come back and haunt you.

You're as bad as dubcat51 :rolleyes:

Arcade_Tryer · 28-08-2016 02:53PM

Motivator wrote: »

Well I can guarantee it. Joyce is poor, Bonner Maher is the best playmaker in the country & can score as well. Joyce will get the runaround like he did in the semi final.

There are at least 3 better play makers on the KK team alone than Bonner Maher.

dubcat51 · 28-08-2016 06:22PM

Motivator wrote: »

Well I can guarantee it. Joyce is poor, Bonner Maher is the best playmaker in the country & can score as well. Joyce will get the runaround like he did in the semi final.

Remind me.who got mom in the replay in 14 and how much bonner scored😃

Realt Dearg Sec · 28-08-2016 06:31PM

Well one of ye is going to be awfully quiet on this subject next week.

Personally I think Joyce will be able to keep Bonner quiet but I would also say that Bonner's game is not really about racking up big scores. He's an important playmaker for the Tipp team, something akin to old John Power's role in the 90s for Kilkenny.

unrealtime · 28-08-2016 06:41PM

John Power is not old

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