Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

spurscormac wrote: »

Will you be driving home for the 19th though?




On a serious note, the issue under discussion is something the GAA needs to address across the board. The inter-county championship season needs to be condensed to cater to a properly scheduled club scene in all counties.

Correct and right.

Unfortunately at this moment in time there is absolutely nothing to be gained from forcing players to play a lower standard of football with and against a poorer standard of player than what they've been used to.

That's the harsh reality of the situation.

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

The issue here isn't this weekends games, it's the fact that the County Board should have fixtures run off by now and it was a poor statement on their part to say 'win or lose there'll be championship this weekend'. There's no reason why the group stage of the championship can't have been done before the Galway game. April 3 was Mayo's last league tie, and they didn't play again until May 29. There is no reason why 3 rounds of championship couldn't be played in that time period. That would at least have half of the teams eliminated from competition (bar relegation sides - who could play during the summer if they had no county players) so people know where they stand going into the summer. Even if they had reached the NFL Division 1 final (April 24), they could have played 2 + 1 in the period after the game.

As for league games, play them during the summer without county players. It realistically means bugger all these days anyways when it no longer determines what grade you play championship at. Teams want to play higher up the leagues because it means they'll be testing themselves in preparation for championship and that's about it.

Just on this, do Mayo have league rounds played without county players? This was something that started happening in Galway a while ago - designated league rounds without county players and it seems to have helped a little bit (although we certainly still have issues in our fixtures structure). I am pretty sure I was at a league match the weekend of the connacht final this year involving teams who fielded without their county players.


Another question for you guys - I know that the week after the AI has been designated as club championship now. But have other subsequent weekends already been marked down? Can the likes of Blud actually play his weekends from now?

Blud wrote: »

There is nothing in this post that adds to the forum either...

Oh well, the lad from Ballintubber in the Mayo News link summed it up nicely, there's not much more to add. The club players have been shafted again, this thread shows that the majority of people don't care.

My comment re not caring about winning the All Ireland seemed to get a few backs up - despite the context I put the sentence in. Of course I care, every club player in Mayo probably cares, the point is that the quest for Sam is always at our expense. Always will be too. So I've decided that there's no longer any point in playing for me, something Peist2007 seems to have decided a few years ago and something others will probably decide for themselves when they hit their tipping point too.

My point on this thread has been that shafting players like this to the point of losing them is not good for Mayo GAA, irrespective of if we win the All Ireland or not. There's a lot on here that can't see in front of their nose though - in a time of increasing urbanisation driving lads in their mid 20s away from Mayo GAA is not good.

Onwards and upwards. Roll on the 18th of Sept, I won't be driving home for the 25th.

Did u register just to make a point that you will not be playing for your club. To be honest I couldn't care less if you do.
No doubt you are just a all Ireland day Mayo fan or got looked over for not being good enough to get on the county panel.

The decision has being made stop whinging about it and go support the lads

What sort of strategy do you think rochford is going to set up for? Mayos best performance this year was when the set up uber defensively against tyrone. Could rochford use this tactic in the final? Could it derail kerry/dub? And who will win kerry or Dub???

naughto wrote: »

Did u register just to make a point that you will not be playing for your club. To be honest I couldn't care less if you do.
No doubt you are just a all Ireland day Mayo fan or got looked over for not being good enough to get on the county panel.

The decision has being made stop whinging about it and go support the lads

Another fantastic contribution to the forum. The second line especially - if takes a special type of numpty to read my posts on this thread so far on the topic of club footballers getting shafted and relate it back to being "a (sic) all Ireland day Mayo fan". Kudos.

Do you actually think posing your views on here will make one blind bit off difference.
It will be the same next yr if we are playing football in sept and the yr after that.

yop wrote: »

County board are regular on here, so they will definitely see it.
As I said in my earlier posts, go to your county board rep, air your grievance, go to the County board if you don't get satisfaction.
Get a petition setup but on here isn't going to get you a result.

Each of your posts are just coming across as petty and throwing the toys out of the pram, why not just go and do something about it.
We all know its an issue, so lets not see it as an issue next year and go do something about it. Deciding to throw in the towel now will not help, at least you can hold your hands up and say that ye tried.

The players have already gone to our county board rep as a group. We are trying to do something about it. It's not going to get summer 2016 back for us though, hence venting on an Internet forum.

ultrapercy wrote: »

It will have to change or the gaa will lose players. It's happening allready. Clubs and club players are treated with astonishing disrespect and it must be borne in mind that county players are club players too. Without clubs the GAA cannot exist but the current club structure is turning young (20 something) players away. There is too much sporting choice even in rural areas for talented athletes to put up with abuse also work and study are far more important than they have been in the past for this demographic. The club issue is the most critical issue facing the GAA presently. The vast majority of County supporters are just fans of the county team and are ignorant of and towards club footall. The attitude that club players should suck it up for the greater good is counter productive to a healthy sport overall, if the roots are dead the tree will also die. I'd imagine for any ambitious club having multiple players on the county panel is a major headache at the moment.

This is essentially what I've been trying to say, I'm just not managing to be as articulate while this p!ssed off!

Blud wrote: »

Agreed, I'll leave it there so.

Anyway, can't wait for the final, haven't been toa Mayo game since September 2013!

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

So Blud, are you really going to shaft your club and your club mates by not playing the weekend after the AI as you stated in an earlier post? What exactly is that going to achieve except give the opposition club a helping hand.

I've said all I have to at this stage, am going to quit derailing the thread.

km79 wrote: »

Can't we all just get along Some very good points made on all sides but it's for another day now . Let's focus on the final
At least all the "Rumours from the camp " stuff has gone away now that things are going well again
Very impressed in fact how Rochford has locked down any team leaks and that
Makes it much harder for opposing managers
Hopefully the likes of David Brady will keep anything he hears (won't be much) to himself in the run up to the ALL IRELAND FINAL
Let's enjoy the build up and quit the squabbling

Mayo will either win the final or they will lose

If they win it will be a case of absolute footballing talent overcoming every other short coming that is in place in the Mayo set up at the moment and since time immemorial.

If they lose it will once again be because we have never sorted out the rotten structure that is Mayo GAA.

To win an All Ireland you need

- A talented panel of footballers who also have good character. Footballers who only work for the good of the team and its success and do not put their personal egos above the team.

- A good manager who is in charge of the show with the talent to put together a good management team who will provide the support to the on the pitch effort.

- A competent county board with the ability to select a good manager and support him for the duration of his tenure. One with the competence to do whats best for their county in the corridors of power in Dublin. One that leaves no one in doubt that it is ultimately in charge.

We have never in my life time had all of the above at the same time. The same is true this year.

We have always had the talent this has been one constant. Too often we have had big egos with no All Irelands in their pockets. Too often we as supporters have worshippped these egos and never stopped to think that its takes a panel to win an All Ireland not a talented individual or a few talented individuals.

We have had good managers and bad and their successes with Mayo have been limited to 2 league titles in 66 years.

John O Mahoney could win 2 All Ireland with Galway but none with Mayo even with 2 stints in charge why ? Answer I would say was county board.

James Horan had probably the most impressive tenure since 51 but still no cigar Why ? Answer I would say good but not good enough.

The other constant we have had in Mayo is an incompetent County board.

Too often they have got selection of County Manager wrong, too often they select a manager and then they have wanted to manage the team themselves, too often they have not given managers the resources they need, too often they have selected a good managers and have not had the balls to stand by them in moments of difficulty, too often they have allowed Croke Park to treat Mayo as a second class county. Too often they have demonstrated that they don't know what is going on and what they should be doing.

Once again as in 89, 96, 97, 04, 06, 12, 13 we are in a final and we are all hoping for success and deceiving ourselves that everything is rosy in the garden and getting stressed about tickets. There is also the saga as in every one of the recent all ireland years of wrapping players in cotton wool (has not worked in the past so why should it work this year). Once again we are like kids heading for the sweetshop where we will meet the older wiser kids who will get the pick of the nicest sweets.

We may win as at the end of the day its 15 v 15 but I think it is unlikely. The bookies and professional commentators and also informed public rarely get it wrong.

We can then look forward to the blood letting that will accompany defeat as many chickens will come home to roost. We will let the blood flow but will probabaly solve nothing and in a few years we will once again get to a final and repeat.

Robeman wrote: »

Mayo will either win the final or they will lose

If they win it will be a case of absolute footballing talent overcoming every other short coming that is in place in the Mayo set up at the moment and since time immemorial.

If they lose it will once again be because we have never sorted out the rotten structure that is Mayo GAA.

To win an All Ireland you need

- A talented panel of footballers who also have good character. Footballers who only work for the good of the team and its success and do not put their personal egos above the team.

- A good manager who is in charge of the show with the talent to put together a good management team who will provide the support to the on the pitch effort.

- A competent county board with the ability to select a good manager and support him for the duration of his tenure. One with the competence to do whats best for their county in the corridors of power in Dublin. One that leaves no one in doubt that it is ultimately in charge.

We have never in my life time had all of the above at the same time. The same is true this year.

We have always had the talent this has been one constant. Too often we have had big egos with no All Irelands in their pockets. Too often we as supporters have worshippped these egos and never stopped to think that its takes a panel to win an All Ireland not a talented individual or a few talented individuals.

We have had good managers and bad and their successes with Mayo have been limited to 2 league titles in 66 years.

John O Mahoney could win 2 All Ireland with Galway but none with Mayo even with 2 stints in charge why ? Answer I would say was county board.

James Horan had probably the most impressive tenure since 51 but still no cigar Why ? Answer I would say good but not good enough.

The other constant we have had in Mayo is an incompetent County board.

Too often they have got selection of County Manager wrong, too often they select a manager and then they have wanted to manage the team themselves, too often they have not given managers the resources they need, too often they have selected a good managers and have not had the balls to stand by them in moments of difficulty, too often they have allowed Croke Park to treat Mayo as a second class county. Too often they have demonstrated that they don't know what is going on and what they should be doing.

Once again as in 89, 96, 97, 04, 06, 12, 13 we are in a final and we are all hoping for success and deceiving ourselves that everything is rosy in the garden and getting stressed about tickets. There is also the saga as in every one of the recent all ireland years of wrapping players in cotton wool (has not worked in the past so why should it work this year). Once again we are like kids heading for the sweetshop where we will meet the older wiser kids who will get the pick of the nicest sweets.

We may win as at the end of the day its 15 v 15 but I think it is unlikely. The bookies and professional commentators and also informed public rarely get it wrong.

We can then look forward to the blood letting that will accompany defeat as many chickens will come home to roost. We will let the blood flow but will probabaly solve nothing and in a few years we will once again get to a final and repeat.

Claiming that we've always had the talent is incorrect. When was the last year that we could make a genuine case that we were the best team in Ireland? 1997?