Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Realt Dearg Sec · 24-08-2016 03:20PM

I thought Kilkenny fans were bad for craunchauling about refs after matches, but bitching about the ref BEFORE the match, that's taking it to a new level. Pathetic, some tipp fans are getting themselves READY to lose. Kk are really in some lads heads at this stage.

Rasputin11 · 24-08-2016 03:25PM

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danganabu · 24-08-2016 04:36PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I thought Kilkenny fans were bad for craunchauling about refs after matches, but bitching about the ref BEFORE the match, that's taking it to a new level. Pathetic, some tipp fans are getting themselves READY to lose. Kk are really in some lads heads at this stage.

I agree completely but come on be honest, if Barry Kelly had of been appointed it would have been the exact same from KK fans.

iebamm2580 · 24-08-2016 04:37PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I thought Kilkenny fans were bad for craunchauling about refs after matches, but bitching about the ref BEFORE the match, that's taking it to a new level. Pathetic, some tipp fans are getting themselves READY to lose. Kk are really in some lads heads at this stage.

Just to enlighten you, on KCLR fm before the 2014 All Ireland i heard various kilkenny supporters on one night complaining that Barry Kelly got the match i suppose you dont remember that though.
Also i have to admit i love that unreal time is from kilkenny.

Realt Dearg Sec · 24-08-2016 04:39PM

danganabu wrote: »

I agree completely but come on be honest, if Barry Kelly had of been appointed it would have been the exact same from KK fans.

Probably. I just think this **** about the ref all the time on boards is completely ****ing tedious, lazy nonsense from people looking for excuses rather than facing the reality their team wasn't up to it. Every single game there's lads cribbing about a decision here and there against them and then saying "that's a two point swing right there". Which is much easier than looking at the hundreds of little mistakes all over the field in a game that could as easily swing a game. The refs are expected to be perfect, usually by folks who have never, and would never ref a game themselves.

danganabu · 24-08-2016 04:42PM

Spot on, and I have no qualms in admitting that I was as guilty as anyone in the aftermath of '09, but on reflection it wasn't the refs fault that we missed at least 5 goalscoring chances and that PJ Ryan had the best game of his life, reality was that it wasn't a penalty but it should not have mattered we should have been out of sight and had no one to blame only ourselves.

blackcard · 24-08-2016 06:34PM

danganabu wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I thought Kilkenny fans were bad for craunchauling about refs after matches, but bitching about the ref BEFORE the match, that's taking it to a new level. Pathetic, some tipp fans are getting themselves READY to lose. Kk are really in some lads heads at this stage.

I agree completely but come on be honest, if Barry Kelly had of been appointed it would have been the exact same from KK fans.

Barry Kelly is the Standby Referee and linesman. Incidentally, he did referee one Kilkenny match since 2014 and reffed it fairly. I would have no problem with him doing the AI. Apart from being codded for the final free in 2012, I thought he did okay. I think he would tell you himself that he had a dreadful match in 2013. Again, I thought he only made one bad decision in 2014. In 2008, I thought he favoured us even though we didn't need it. I can only remember Brian Gavin making one decision favouring KK, I remember more that he gave against us

citykat · 24-08-2016 06:48PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Maybe do a bit of research before you make such outlandish claims.
Gavin has reffed 4 of the last 6 AI's so maybe substitute Gavin with Kelly in your above statement and then you might make a bit of sense. The pertinent point here is that Kelly hasn't refereed any of Kilkennys last 10 championship games over a 2 year period. Before that he reffed on average 2 a year. Do you not think thats a bit strange? Do the maths. Even more interesting is the double standards. Marty asked in an interview after the 09 all Ireland were a couple of decisions very debatable and that Kilkenny benefited from a few of kirwans brainfarts that day. Cody was less than impressed to say the least. Now Kelly it seems cant get a game when KK are involved.

That's rich. You say Gavin reffed 4 of the last 6 AI. You're either being disingenuous or you haven't a clue. Then again it's more than likely both.

unrealtime · 24-08-2016 06:58PM

The ref is beyond doubt the only reason that this mighty Tipp team could be beaten.

unrealtime · 24-08-2016 08:12PM

The reason why Brian Gavin got 4 of the last 8 Finals is that he is head and shoulders above all the other refs. He is the fairest of all and the best to control a game.

His selection is to be welcomed.

Whiplash85 · 24-08-2016 09:17PM

citykat wrote: »

That's rich. You say Gavin reffed 4 of the last 6 AI. You're either being disingenuous or you haven't a clue. Then again it's more than likely both.

2011 Tipp V Kilkenny Ref Brian Gavin
2013 Cork V Clare Ref Brian Gavin
2014 Tipp V Kilkenny Ref Brian Gavin
2016 Tipp V Kilkenny Ref Brian Gavin

I don't think I can make that any clearer.

Incidentally it is a lot of officiating of All Ireland finals for one person.
He also has Tommy Walshs jersey over his mantlepiece.

Whiplash85 · 24-08-2016 09:18PM

blackcard wrote: »

Barry Kelly is the Standby Referee and linesman. Incidentally, he did referee one Kilkenny match since 2014 and reffed it fairly. I would have no problem with him doing the AI. Apart from being codded for the final free in 2012, I thought he did okay. I think he would tell you himself that he had a dreadful match in 2013. Again, I thought he only made one bad decision in 2014. In 2008, I thought he favoured us even though we didn't need it. I can only remember Brian Gavin making one decision favouring KK, I remember more that he gave against us

Can you tell me which championship game Barry Kelly reffed Kilkenny in since 2014 please?

Philip82 · 24-08-2016 10:07PM

Please let someone start a thread about referees only, preferbly Barry Kelly vs Brian Gavin and keep the whinging there. There is no such thing as a perfect referee in any sport or era through a fans eyes, accept it and get on with it.

Martin567 · 24-08-2016 10:38PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

2011 Tipp V Kilkenny Ref Brian Gavin
2013 Cork V Clare Ref Brian Gavin
2014 Tipp V Kilkenny Ref Brian Gavin
2016 Tipp V Kilkenny Ref Brian Gavin

I don't think I can make that any clearer.

In fairness, you are being disingenuous there. You neglected to mention that there were replays in 2012, 2013 & 2014. That's three extra All Irelands.

So this will be Brian Gavin's 4th out of the last 9 All Irelands. It's still a lot but not quite 4 out of the last 6, as you claimed.

Realt Dearg Sec · 24-08-2016 11:03PM

There seems to be a direct link between times whiplash is posting on here, and times actual match or team discussion goes right out the window. Maybe that's a coincidence. I dunno.

citykat · 24-08-2016 11:09PM

You could probably call this the silly season in terms of the All Ireland. Some lads are happy to fill the gap with any old ****e.

Cornerback1 · 24-08-2016 11:09PM

Can we give a red card to anyone, from now on, who mentions 'the referee' before the game???

dastardly00 · 24-08-2016 11:17PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Can we give a red card to anyone, from now on, who mentions 'the referee' before the game???

I agree!

Michael Kavanagh · 24-08-2016 11:24PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

2011 Tipp V Kilkenny Ref Brian Gavin
2013 Cork V Clare Ref Brian Gavin
2014 Tipp V Kilkenny Ref Brian Gavin
2016 Tipp V Kilkenny Ref Brian Gavin

I don't think I can make that any clearer.

Incidentally it is a lot of officiating of All Ireland finals for one person.
He also has Tommy Walshs jersey over his mantlepiece.

were you looking in his window

dubcat51 · 25-08-2016 08:05AM

All great open games let flow by the ref.wheres the problem.

JJs Left Hand · 25-08-2016 09:41AM

Never really get the issue Tipp had with the Tommy/Gavin incident. It was a bit of pushing and shoving and nothing happened to a Tipperary player. There was no foul play against them at all. It had absolutely no bearing on the game bar the ref got clipped.

If Kelly or McGrath were reffing it I'd go oh ffs and then move on. I hate this booing ****e Kilkenny fans have started.

No opinion on Gavin either way but if his mere appointment rattles Tipp this much then I'm all for him reffing the game. If the players let themselves get affected by it as much as their fans then they're as mentally weak as everyone thinks they are. Personally don't think it will affect them but the fans are already going in thinking they're going to get ****ed over which is going to create a lovely hostile atmosphere. Can't ****ing wait.

Deise Vu · 25-08-2016 10:54AM

Considering that every single match throws up at least half a dozen decisions by the referee which were blatantly stupid, blind or corrupt in the minds of some people I once started a thread on the late, lamented Fear Rua site on the lines of "list one occasion where the ref rode the opposition".
My point obviously was that if refs were that bad there must be loads of games where they were bad in your favour. I think one poster made one suggestion and the rest admitted it was kinda hard to see bias in your favour but no problem to see possible discrimination.

Just saying like......

Realt Dearg Sec · 25-08-2016 01:21PM

Deise Vu wrote: »

Considering that every single match throws up at least half a dozen decisions by the referee which were blatantly stupid, blind or corrupt in the minds of some people I once started a thread on the late, lamented Fear Rua site on the lines of "list one occasion where the ref rode the opposition".
My point obviously was that if refs were that bad there must be loads of games where they were bad in your favour. I think one poster made one suggestion and the rest admitted it was kinda hard to see bias in your favour but no problem to see possible discrimination.

Just saying like......

That's pretty much exactly it.

citykat · 25-08-2016 01:31PM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

I hate this booing ****e Kilkenny fans have started.

+1. It's wrong on many levels. Sounds bad. Petty.

Realt Dearg Sec · 25-08-2016 01:54PM

citykat wrote: »

+1. It's wrong on many levels. Sounds bad. Petty.

I agree. And it's nearly every match now.

unrealtime · 25-08-2016 01:58PM

Booing is antediluvian. The suggestion that KK fans started it is incorrect. I have heard booing for one thing or another for over 50 years.

Realt Dearg Sec · 25-08-2016 02:31PM

unrealtime wrote: »

Booing is antediluvian. The suggestion that KK fans started it is incorrect. I have heard booing for one thing or another for over 50 years.

I don't remember anyone saying Kilkenny invented booing?

blackcard · 25-08-2016 04:34PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

Barry Kelly is the Standby Referee and linesman. Incidentally, he did referee one Kilkenny match since 2014 and reffed it fairly. I would have no problem with him doing the AI. Apart from being codded for the final free in 2012, I thought he did okay. I think he would tell you himself that he had a dreadful match in 2013. Again, I thought he only made one bad decision in 2014. In 2008, I thought he favoured us even though we didn't need it. I can only remember Brian Gavin making one decision favouring KK, I remember more that he gave against us

Can you tell me which championship game Barry Kelly reffed Kilkenny in since 2014 please?

It was a league match, can't remember which one

brookville · 25-08-2016 08:40PM

blackcard wrote: »

It was a league match, can't remember which one

It was against galway at home

blackcard · 25-08-2016 09:16PM

So, any opinions on what the team should be. Joyce definitely back at centre back, Fogarty to midfield. Lester Ryan or TJ Reid in midfield. I would go with TJ leaving the forwards as Walter Walsh, Richie Hogan, Eoin Larkin, JonJo Farrell, Colin Fennelly and Liam Blanchfield. Anyone with a different opinion?

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