Omran - the boy in the ambulance in Aleppo

Billy86 · 19-08-2016 05:39PM

jmayo wrote: »

But this particular picture may not be what it purports to be, there looks to be more than a few question marks over it's veracity.

What would be the cause of these question marks?

Because "someone else lied once" is not a valid reason to assume everyone is lying at all times.

conorhal · 19-08-2016 06:04PM

Billy86 wrote: »

What would be the cause of these question marks?

Because "someone else lied once" is not a valid reason to assume everyone is lying at all times.

The reality is that the media can no longer be trusted because they are no longer interested in the facts, they are interested in the story 'they want to tell' and they're prepared to tell it even when the facts don't tally up, because perception has become more important then fact.
The story of Alan Kurdi was a prime example. The image was what was important to the media, not the story, just the perception in service of their own ideological agenda. They were not that interested to know how or why he ended up dead on a beach. They certiantly weren't all that eager to hear his father was driving the boat or that his family were staying in an apartment in Turkey for the past couple of years or that the main impetus for their dangerous trip across the med was to claim asylum in Canada so dad could get his teeth fixed but the visa applications at the Canadian embassy were just taking too damn long.

I'm prepared to take the picture on face value, but the fact that it was distributed by an organization with an agenda and accompanied by emotive but unsubstantiated statements makes me suspicious. 'Nobody knows where his family is' they claim (without bothering to find out). Well publish the story when you have the story, and the facts, that's journalism 101. But you can't help but suspect that isn't all that important to them, or worse, that in fact it's irrelevant because the story might not suit the narrative that they want to craft.

There is a word for that and it's not news, it's propaganda.

This is what our modern media has become and this is why opinion polls place feckin' hairdressers ahead of journalist in the league table of who we trust:
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3685/Politicians-are-still-trusted-less-than-estate-agents-journalists-and-bankers.aspx#gallery[m]/1/

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jmayo · 19-08-2016 06:10PM

Billy86 wrote: »

What would be the cause of these question marks?

Because "someone else lied once" is not a valid reason to assume everyone is lying at all times.

It isn't just once is it.

Media is being used to manipulate people and what better way than the use of children as it plays to the heartstrings.

It looks like the photographer of this image was heartbroken about the plight of this child yet it appears he took a selfie with some guys that had earlier slit the throat of another child.

Billy86 · 19-08-2016 06:23PM

jmayo wrote: »

It isn't just once is it.

Media is being used to manipulate people and what better way than the use of children as it plays to the heartstrings.

It looks like the photographer of this image was heartbroken about the plight of this child yet it appears he took a selfie with some guys that had earlier slit the throat of another child.

Great. By this logic, everything you have ever heard/read, and everything you will ever hear/read, on just about anything and everything ever discussed or covered in the history of ever, is a probable lie. Yet I get the feeling you only jump to that conclusion when it suits.

Lackey · 19-08-2016 06:31PM

Smondie wrote: »

Here's the guy who took the picture having a selfie with local child beheaders, US backed moderate Islamic rebels...

https://mobile.twitter.com/walid970721/status/766405725920919553/photo/2

I dont often post in these threads but This is so true, I wonder why that much worse and awful image didnt make the headlines? no name and media covered photo for that poor boy savagely murdered while he took that video

he was so small:(

Samaris · 19-08-2016 06:33PM

Sometimes it's hard to see why one photo gets attention and others don't. Why Aylan Kurdi and not another child washed up on the beach. Or an adult. It comes down to what catches attention at a given moment, and sometimes something else is just filling the space. The American Election craziness, or a terrorist attack or even a national celebration just eclipses most of the photos and videos and stories. Just sometimes the stars align and one picture becomes seared on peoples' collective consciousness though.

conorhal · 19-08-2016 06:59PM

Samaris wrote: »

Sometimes it's hard to see why one photo gets attention and others don't. Why Aylan Kurdi and not another child washed up on the beach. Or an adult. It comes down to what catches attention at a given moment, and sometimes something else is just filling the space. The American Election craziness, or a terrorist attack or even a national celebration just eclipses most of the photos and videos and stories. Just sometimes the stars align and one picture becomes seared on peoples' collective consciousness though.

But it's not hard to see at all. What gets three lines in an article and what gets a front page color spread is an editorial decision. This was an editorial decision with an agenda. This is narrative shaping with a purpose and very deliberately without context and crafted to appeal to a very specific emotion that disengages critical thought. If you think zeitgeist just happens, ask Anna Wintour or Charles Saatchi. Or George Soros for that matter.
Vermillion becomes this springs 'color', people decide that 'Labour isn't working' or for that matter mass immigration is the new norm don't just happen, or they do, but they don't enter the popular psyche without the gate keepers of our media deciding that they should.

Stigura · 19-08-2016 07:49PM

Samaris wrote: »

Sometimes it's hard to see why one photo gets attention and others don't.

Interestingly enough; Having seen a photo of this kid and a little girl, seated at a right angle to him ....? The boy just looks like a dusty kid to me. It was the girl that made me feel sad.

More specifically, her hair band. Whether the picture is genuine or mocked up? I don't know or care. But, that little hair band speaks of the truth of how a child can wake up. Get up. Get dressed ~ put their hair band on ~ and set off about their day.

Kids, wearing their favourite cardigan and with their hair band on, don't expect to be blown up later that day. It's a crying fcuking shame that some will be. By whoever. For what ever reason. Which ever side they're 'on'.

electrobanana · 20-08-2016 09:41AM

Il just leave this here.

https://imgur.com/a/ztwx1

Wibbs · 20-08-2016 10:34AM

TommyKnocker wrote: »

The only issue I have with this photo/video is that it is used to push an agenda.

All the copies I have seen of this photo and videl from various "News outlets" are pushing the same line that this is the result of the evil Russians and the Bashar Al-Assad regime. This is what they are doing in Syria.

But what about the bombs dropped by the US and US lead coalition? Are we expected to believe that somehow they cause less damage and carnage? The bombs that the US allies the KSA drop on innocent folks in Yemen or Israel drop on innocent folks in Palestine are never mentioned or those killed in the US bombings and drone strikes, are they some how ok when they also cause untold misery and suffering?

QFT. The dead kid on the Greek beach was "selling" another agenda too, or was used by those pushing the open EU borders agenda.

The reason I find this kind of image so powerful and believe have such affect is that the subject is a child. There have been so many images on various media of mutilated human bodies which are usually not white victims and which we a told are "Other", "Terrorists", "Bad People" that by and large the masses have become immune to them. However when the image is of a child, we all have sons, daughters, nieces and nephews around that age or are close to others who have and thankfully this still give one cause to pause and reflect and see that this child cannot possibly be an Other or Terrorist or bad in any way. This is pure innocence suffering at the hands of others simply for greed and power.

True and why such images are so often used and abused by some. Though these days with our collective short memories and need for new stimulus there'll be something else along shortly that we can drape our ArseBook profile pics with and cry crocodile "likes". Cynical? Mois?

Gatling · 20-08-2016 11:30AM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

No. It is totally fake and phony.

Pathetic nonsense what a stupid post of the highest order .

Elmer Blooker · 20-08-2016 11:51AM

Gatling wrote: »

Pathetic nonsense what a stupid post of the highest order .

This is coming from you!!!

Gatling, if the media told you that Putin had annexed the moon you would believe it!

mansize · 20-08-2016 11:52AM

Should this not be in CT forum?

Gatling · 20-08-2016 12:00PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

This is coming from you!!!
Gatling, if the media told you that Putin had annexed the moon you would believe it!

One day Elmer you will awake from your coma .

Did you cheer the bombs

Gatling · 20-08-2016 12:05PM

electrobanana wrote: »

Il just leave this here.

And that is what

SnakePlissken · 20-08-2016 03:27PM

Gatling wrote: »

And that is what

It's fairly self explanatory no?

kupus · 20-08-2016 04:39PM

Gatling wrote: »

And that is what

It's a quick snapshot of how media and propaganda work hand in hand.
That's what it is.

FalconGirl · 20-08-2016 04:45PM

If anyone doesn't believe the media set agendas they are completely deluded. Newscorps are big businesses and will promote whatever narrative they are paid to promote.

I'm not specifically referring to this particular instance.

Gatling · 20-08-2016 04:56PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

It's fairly self explanatory no?

No .

uck51js9zml2yt · 20-08-2016 06:14PM

Rte reported this evening that his 10 year old brother died today from injuries.

Going by some posters, the brother probably faked his death !!

SnakePlissken · 20-08-2016 06:31PM

Gatling wrote: »

No .

Thank you for your gracious compliment, you're correct, I must have a higher level of intelligence as I understood the poster's comment without needing my hand to be held, or further elaboration.

I had my reservations about your motives in the past, evidently I was wrong as you're a bigger man than I had previously given you credit for, thank you.

Wigglepuppy · 20-08-2016 06:40PM

Myra Some Weekend wrote: »

Rte reported this evening that his 10 year old brother died today from injuries.

Going by some posters, the brother probably faked his death !!

Yeah, questioning the media is important (and questioning all angles of it, not just cherrypicking when it suits

) although not everything by the media is engineered to depict a certain perspective, but I'm not sure what's "fake" or agenda-pushing about this picture? Are people saying stuff like this isn't really happening?

I mean, I totally understand people's concerns about the immigration question and I'm baffled at the downplaying of the likes of Cologne on new year's eve, but that doesn't mean it's necessary to be hardened in relation to suffering like this boy and many others are experiencing, and to dismiss it as fake and to be critical of it being shown by the media.

Gatling · 20-08-2016 06:45PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I had my reservations about your motives in the past, evidently I was wrong .

Of course your wrong you and your buddy too always wrong ,

uck51js9zml2yt · 20-08-2016 06:46PM

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

Yeah, questioning the media is important (and questioning all angles of it, not just cherrypicking when it suits ) although not everything by the media is engineered to depict a certain perspective, but I'm not sure what's "fake" or agenda-pushing about this picture? Are people saying stuff like this isn't really happening?

I mean, I totally understand people's concerns about the immigration question and I'm baffled at the downplaying of the likes of Cologne on new year's eve, but that doesn't mean it's necessary to be hardened in relation to suffering like this boy and many others are experiencing, and to dismiss it as fake and to be critical of it being shown by the media.

Rte did a very good mini series this week following a few Syrian families as they escaped from Syria... exodus : our journey to Europe.
It's worth watching on the rte player.

Gatling · 20-08-2016 06:51PM

Myra Some Weekend wrote: »

Rte reported this evening that his 10 year old brother died today from injuries.

Going by some posters, the brother probably faked his death !!

No they will blame america

SnakePlissken · 20-08-2016 06:51PM

Gatling wrote: »

Of course your wrong you and your buddy too always wrong ,

I've no idea who you're referencing but I'm sure you're right, they were wrong too.

Now that we're on amicable terms, any chance you could pick me up one of those handguns you claimed as fact that you and any twelve year old in Ireland can procure for less than the price of an Xbox? Watching the Olympics has really inspired me to take up target shooting, thanks Gatling, you're a very special type of guy

Gatling · 20-08-2016 07:01PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I've no idea who you're referencing but I'm sure you're right, they were wrong too.

Of course I'm right ,

Now have you something to offer this thread or are have the keys diarrhoea again

SnakePlissken · 20-08-2016 07:17PM

Gatling wrote: »

Now have you something to offer this thread

Perhaps, perhaps not, either way it's really none of your business now is it?

Let's get back on topic shall we?

Gatling · 20-08-2016 07:19PM

I see another hospital was attacked this time with either Napalm or white phosphorus in the Damascus suburb of Daraya,

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/syria-civil-war-daraya-hospital-bombed-160819101838839.html

Davei141 · 20-08-2016 07:34PM

electrobanana wrote: »

Il just leave this here.

https://imgur.com/a/ztwx1

Can anyone tell me whats happening in the top right picture?

Omran - the boy in the ambulance in Aleppo

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