mentally ill man stabs people shouting allahu akbar

El_Duderino 09 · 19-08-2016 07:08PM

Widdershins wrote:

The concern would be about their trustworthiness with whatever probably limited information they had been given. Maybe, also, their ability to see the process through. A recent interview with a recruited jihadist turned informant, revealed that they had had a lot of jihadists backing out, in France (I think it was France). If they want to achieve their aims, that's not going to be of use to them. Why waste the time and take the risk connecting with a candidate with dubious ability to do what they want him to do?

I'm sure that's a concern but it's a risky business to begin with.

I don't know if you're talking about the Norwegian journalist who has embedded with a terrorist cell in the middle East somewhere. He talked about how the jihadis backed out all the time but it wasn't a big deal because they had plenty in reserve. If They don't do it, nothing happens. If they do it, you win.

It's a shot to nothing. The mentally ill or learning disabled would be the first port of call for recruiters. Who else would you start with? The well adjusted, well educated people with respectable jobs and standing in society?

El_Duderino 09 · 19-08-2016 07:14PM

Lollipop95 wrote:

Honestly...I don't suffer from mental illness but I'm tired of these evil psychopaths blaming their terrible actions on mental illness. At a time where the mental health community are trying to gather understanding amongst the public, they really don't need this. I've lost count of the amount of times some violent crime that's been carried out has been blamed on mental illness. Not every murder/rape/assault has been carried out because the perpetrator is mentally ill

Absolutely the opposite. The mental health community has been saying that the problem is so much bigger than you imagine. Now it might actually get more of the attention and funding needed.

The percentage of people in prison with mental health problems and personality disorders is staggering. If you treated mental illness early you would solve a lot crime before it happens.

rjpf1980 · 19-08-2016 07:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

again, one can't simply claim mental illness when they commit a crime. it has to be proven via qualified medical experts as to whether one is or isn't mentally ill, and they're are no guarantees the evidence will be believed.

Mental illness is not an excuse for a crime. You can be mentally ill but still sane at the time you commit a crime. You can still know right from wrong. If you are insane - it is a legal term not a medical term - you cannot know right from wrong and be definition cannot be held responsible for your actions at the time of the incident. If a crime demonstrates planning and calculation by definition the perpetrator is not insane. An insane person commits an impulsive act and does not know right from wrong.

A psychopath is sane and knows what right and wrong are. People with anti-social personality disorder are mentally ill but not insane.

suicide_circus · 19-08-2016 07:18PM

Walter H Price wrote: »

Funny that , i've battled mental Illness for years , never felt the need to go and murder a few Jews or Infadels or blow up an abortion clinic ... Common thread with thees attacks isn't mental illness its religion , all religion's are poison but Islam is cyanide.

How anyone believes some medieval paedophile warlord wrote a book of peace is beyond me.

When was the last Christian extremist attack on an abortion clinic?

Chromosphere · 19-08-2016 07:19PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm no fan of religion, but this is a big stretch. You're all making huge assumptions about this man based on a few sentences.

Maybe he has been brainwashed, but it seems just as likely he's got a mental illnesses that makes him obsessive and violent. They pick up on things that confirm the notions in their own head. Not so long ago in America there was a spate of mentally ill people attacking others as if they were zombies, or them thinking they were zombies themselves. Should we hold the walking dead responsible for those attacks? Unless you can prove this person has anything but a passing understanding of Islam, has a mental illness that doesn't include paranoid schizophrenia, or another serious mental illness that would trump any religious teachings they received your in no position to pass any kind of judgement.

Yeah, religious dogma can really mess with some peoples heads, but the majority of people can practice religion and not go out killing people, even the vast majority of Muslims just live normal lives and never consider killing someone for any religious reasons.

The issue is that these terrorist organisations are targeting people who are vulnerable to those kinds of interpretations of reality and using them as a vector to attack.
It's all been about vague 'calls to arms' to ensure they cause maximum harm with minimum 'investment'.

The attacks aren't random or self-generated. There's very clear evidence of widespread 'radicalisation' online and elsewhere. All it takes it is the 'right' angst ridden teenager with a violent outlook or someone who is somewhat unhinged and you've a major problem.

Smondie · 19-08-2016 07:20PM

Carrying a knife around would show pre planning especially as 6 years ago he did exactly the same thing.

irishgrover · 19-08-2016 07:22PM

Walter H Price wrote:

Im not Anti muslim , i'm an athiest open your eyes thess people are not mentaly ill they are brainweashed and conditioned there is a root cause in this case its ISLAM

So is impossible to be a mentally ill Muslim murderer ? ......... Seriously it's the argument of a 14 year old bigot...

ScumLord · 19-08-2016 07:31PM

Chromosphere wrote: »

The issue is that these terrorist organisations are targeting people who are vulnerable to those kinds of interpretations of reality and using them as a vector to attack.

Are they? Hadn't heard that they were targeting mentally ill people. I have heard they try to recruit vulnerable young people, but not specifically mentally ill people. The fact that there have been a number of attacks by mentally ill people doesn't mean there's evidence that they're recruited. Like I said already, when walking dead came out there were mentally disturbed people that thought they were zombies or killed others because they thought those people were zombies. They'll latch onto all sorts of things that they see on TV.

I think as far as Islamic terrorists are concerned this is a happy coincidence.

The attacks aren't random or self-generated. There's very clear evidence of widespread 'radicalisation' online and elsewhere. All it takes it is the 'right' angst ridden teenager with a violent outlook or someone who is somewhat unhinged and you've a major problem.

All that is separate from mentally ill people carrying out violent attacks. Maybe they are targeting mentally ill people, but even that shows they've reached the bottom of the barrel and can't even convince rampant teenagers to join them anymore and have to resort to targeting people who can offer no resistance to manipulation. Sending in the mentally disturbed isn't exactly going to achieve much.

wakka12 · 19-08-2016 07:33PM

Violence among the mentally ill muslim community seems inexplicably high.
Either that or the media just put the attacks by muslims in the headlines..

wakka12 · 19-08-2016 07:38PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Funnily enough not all mental issues have the same effects. Unless you had the same mental illness as this guy.

Mental illness is an extremely broad term.

People with mental illnesses like this guy has could have just as easily been turned into a conspiracy theorist that things everyone else must die because we're lizard people.

And how come these media stories never tell us anymore about the attackers 'mental illness'? Is it a common mental illness? Did it heavily influence his religious extremism? Does his mental illness generally cause many individuals to become so violent? Something a bit more in depth than 'mental illness' would be helpful

19-08-2016 07:40PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Violence among the mentally ill muslim community seems inexplicably high.
Either that or the media just put the attacks by muslims in the headlines..

I would have assumed it was more a case of mentally ill Muslims being inclined towards radical Islamist violence than your average mentally ill American.

The latter might be more inclined to bear arms against Muslims.

Mental illness doesn't exist in a vacuum. It manifests itself with reference to the local environment.

...And Justice · 19-08-2016 07:53PM

These snackbar terrorists have the Quran that tells them to kill the enemies of Islam, they are not democratic and they need to be deported out of a civil environment and democracy. It's only time before someone gets beheaded in the streets of Dublin.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshiping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.

The thing that boils my píss is that the FBI did a profiling of Muslim countries through history, and the bones of it is that Islam is a religion of peace when "they" are in the minority, but when they become a majority, it becomes a religion of hatred and pestilence, murdering people for the sake of it, Oppression is a major factor, sure we have seen the "sharia police" policing London recently, fcuking world is a mess.

Alan Snackbar.

wakka12 · 19-08-2016 07:54PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I would have assumed it was more a case of mentally ill Muslims being inclined towards radical Islamist violence than your average mentally ill American.

The latter might be more inclined to bear arms against Muslims.

Mental illness doesn't exist in a vacuum. It manifests itself with reference to the local environment.

And how come mentally ill american of other religions, literally any other religion, don't seem to be nearly as inclined to join extremist groups of their respective religions

Grayson · 19-08-2016 08:03PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Absolutely the opposite. The mental health community has been saying that the problem is so much bigger than you imagine. Now it might actually get more of the attention and funding needed.

The percentage of people in prison with mental health problems and personality disorders is staggering. If you treated mental illness early you would solve a lot crime before it happens.

It's bad here but it's horrific in the US. because they don't have any nationalised health system poor people with issues are just shunted in and out of prison.

...And Justice · 19-08-2016 08:04PM

wakka12 wrote: »

And how come mentally ill american of other religions, literally any other religion, don't seem to be nearly as inclined to join extremist groups of their respective religions

Good point, I'd love for someone to explain why Saudi Arabia bought and paid for that massive mosque in Clonskiegh, it's based on wahhabism, disgusting practice, same as ISIS, just against the law in this country.

Alan Snackbar.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-08-2016 08:10PM

wakka12 wrote:

And how come mentally ill american of other religions, literally any other religion, don't seem to be nearly as inclined to join extremist groups of their respective religions

I'd like to see the number of people in violent gangs with mental illness before I separate violent religious gangs from all other gangs.

wakka12 · 19-08-2016 08:12PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'd like to see the number of people in violent gangs with mental illness before I separate violent religious gangs from all other gangs.

What I mean is, why arent there violent mentally ill Protestant or Hindu or Buddhist or Sikh or scientolgist or jewish 'gangs' seemingly attacking members of the public indiscriminately every other week in the US and europe

Pkiernan · 19-08-2016 08:13PM

Obviously knives need to be banned. That'll fix everything.

19-08-2016 08:19PM

wakka12 wrote: »

And how come mentally ill american of other religions, literally any other religion, don't seem to be nearly as inclined to join extremist groups of their respective religions

Because there aren't a lot of extremist religious groups that can be tapped-into.

A combination of geopolitics and 'The Torah 3.0' have made the Islamic world a fertile ground in which to cultivate religious violent extremism.

Christianity and Judaism also feature violent sacred textbooks, but we don't have the same religious violence in historically predominantly Christian countries because of our political dominance over the world. We don't need to seek 'destiny', we already have it.

So people with mental illness in places like the U.S.A. are attracted to other causes, such as attacking Muslims.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-08-2016 08:22PM

wakka12 wrote:

What I mean is, why arent there violent mentally ill Protestant or Hindu or Buddhist or Sikh or scientolgist or jewish 'gangs' seemingly attacking members of the public indiscriminately every other week in the US and europe

As I was thinking implying, they are hoovered up by gangs where they attack people every other week on the US or Europe.

If you go to a place with a lot of Hindus or Buddhist you find gangs full of Buddhist fellas.

This fella gas attached Jews before and I don't think it's a coincidence. If he had no mental illness HISTORY then we would call it terrorism. I think the two are linked.

KingBrian2 · 19-08-2016 08:23PM

Smondie wrote: »

Jewish rabbi is stabbed in Strasbourg by 'Muslim attacker who shouted "Allahu Akbar"'

The attacker, who has been arrested, shouted 'Allahu Akbar' - God is great - as he stabbed the 55-year-old man, Le Journal du Dimanche reported.

The attacker is believed to have a history of mental health issues.

Officers have ruled out a terror motive for the attack and believe the suspect has suffered serious mental health issues.

Strasbourg is in the north east of France, near the German border, and is a seat of the European Parliament.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3748782/Jewish-rabbi-stabbed-Strasbourg-Muslim-attacker.html#article-3748782

Europe seems to have major problems with mentally ill people stabbing people at the moment.

When are the mental health crowd going to step up and suggest solutions?

This is a horrible crime. Return to the dark ages with such vicious attacks. Scumbags these people are.

Grayson · 19-08-2016 08:32PM

wakka12 wrote: »

And how come mentally ill american of other religions, literally any other religion, don't seem to be nearly as inclined to join extremist groups of their respective religions

Have you heard of the KKK, "The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord", the christian groups that bomb abortion clinics, the christian identity movement...etc.

They're just the christian ones. There have been 18 terrorist attacks in the US by the jewish defence league. Of course if we expand outside the US there's loads of example of religious nutjobs.

The fact is that there are extreme groups and ideologies everywhere. And they do attract the mentally delicate. And some of those, the ones with violent tenancies, will commit crimes.

wakka12 · 19-08-2016 08:37PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

As I was thinking implying, they are hoovered up by gangs where they attack people every other week on the US or Europe.

If you go to a place with a lot of Hindus or Buddhist you find gangs full of Buddhist fellas.

This fella gas attached Jews before and I don't think it's a coincidence. If he had no mental illness HISTORY then we would call it terrorism. I think the two are linked.

USA and plenty of European regions have large numbers of buddhists and hindus. Ive not heard of any violent gangs forming though. Btw the american muslim, hindu and buddhist population are all relatively even, with jews having about twice as many members as those 3 others. And christians and non religious being in the vast majority obviously

Widdershins · 19-08-2016 08:51PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'm sure that's a concern but it's a risky business to begin with.

I don't know if you're talking about the Norwegian journalist who has embedded with a terrorist cell in the middle East somewhere. He talked about how the jihadis backed out all the time but it wasn't a big deal because they had plenty in reserve. If They don't do it, nothing happens. If they do it, you win.

It's a shot to nothing. The mentally ill or learning disabled would be the first port of call for recruiters. Who else would you start with? The well adjusted, well educated people with respectable jobs and standing in society?

No, I don't remember much about him but he wasn't a Norwegian journalist.

If it was me I'd do the same as they have done, appeal to fit able bodied and fired-up younger people with rousing speeches, glorify jihad as the one guaranteed way to attain paradise, and all the rest of the incentives. They don't need to be maladjusted. The ones who have left comfortable middle class 2nd/3rd generation English families to join Syrian jihadists, were not maladjusted or social outcasts.

KingBrian2 · 19-08-2016 09:36PM

Widdershins wrote: »

No, I don't remember much about him but he wasn't a Norwegian journalist.

If it was me I'd do the same as they have done, appeal to fit able bodied and fired-up younger people with rousing speeches, glorify jihad as the one guaranteed way to attain paradise, and all the rest of the incentives. They don't need to be maladjusted. The ones who have left comfortable middle class 2nd/3rd generation English families to join Syrian jihadists, were not maladjusted or social outcasts.

All part of their masterplan cause anti-Semitism in Europe while at the same time encouraging religious violence in Syria & Iraq with Christians, Shi'ites & Sunni's killing each other. As usual we are buying into it lock stock and barrel.

Widdershins · 20-08-2016 12:14PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

All part of their masterplan cause anti-Semitism in Europe while at the same time encouraging religious violence in Syria & Iraq with Christians, Shi'ites & Sunni's killing each other. As usual we are buying into it lock stock and barrel.

Aye. On that subject, most people seem oblivious to the high rate of antisemitic attacks in Europe and the vast migration of Jews leaving Europe in a hurry.

K-9 · 20-08-2016 01:03PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Aye. On that subject, most people seem oblivious to the high rate of antisemitic attacks in Europe and the vast migration of Jews leaving Europe in a hurry.

Any figures on it?

Widdershins · 20-08-2016 02:52PM

K-9 wrote: »

Any figures on it?

Figures for attacks, emigration?
Only whatever is available on the internet. I wasn't expecting to need to refer to it again, and can't remember where I read about it the last time.

KingBrian2 · 20-08-2016 09:23PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Figures for attacks, emigration?
Only whatever is available on the internet. I wasn't expecting to need to refer to it again, and can't remember where I read about it the last time.

Just did a quick check 9880 Jews have left Europe for Israel the majority from France which historically along with Poland & England has the largest Jewish population in all of Europe. It would be an indignity if this continues.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35317479

...And Justice · 20-08-2016 10:08PM

I don't like this Alan Snackbar fella one bit he's a cúnt.

mentally ill man stabs people shouting allahu akbar

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