Omran - the boy in the ambulance in Aleppo

gctest50 · 19-08-2016 01:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Should it stand with the image of Alan Kurdi as one of the powerful representations of our time.

They moved him for more "likes" :

http://imgur.com/7feih4a

Nermal · 19-08-2016 01:55PM

How come it's over every newspaper, front page and TV channel, when the film of the child being beheaded by the 'moderate rebels' was not?

It's a very powerful photo, but have you asked yourself why it's being pushed in your face?

Smondie · 19-08-2016 01:57PM

Here's the guy who took the picture having a selfie with local child beheaders, US backed moderate Islamic rebels...

https://mobile.twitter.com/walid970721/status/766405725920919553/photo/2

Skylinehead · 19-08-2016 02:05PM

skywanderer wrote: »

It will be seized upon by the politically correct and cultural marxists as another excuse to give Europe some Jihadi "Cultural Enrichment". How about a photo of a 5 year old boy who had his family and parents killed in Paris, Nice or Brussels by Islamic terrorists?

Mod: Not an immigration thread, so don't bring it up please.

Billy86 · 19-08-2016 02:16PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Little boys can't melt steel beams!
Wake up sheeple!
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..... I may have gotten two conspiracies confused there.

With all the side characters DC and Marvel are eagerly chucking at us in their movies lately, who knows...

Billy86 · 19-08-2016 02:19PM

Jase Round Self-incrimination wrote: »

It's definitely fake. The ambulance is clean and the first aid kit to the right of the kid is in English. This was obviously staged in an English speaking country with some 2nd+ generation immigrants. The guy with the bloody face, blood only goes to his chest, everybody knows that head wounds always bleed profusely and the blood will always drip down to your shoes. So if the blood stains only stop on your chest, then it's fake blood. Everybody knows this.

Oh, and the kid doesn't cry, so it's obviously fake. They drugged him and then put the dust on his face and then the blood, probably used chicken blood to make it real looking. The paramedic doesn't look after the kid. Everybody knows that paramedics would never leave an allegedly injured child like that. He wouldn't go back to look for more kids and injured people. Everybody knows this and that is the evidence why this is fake.

You... do know countries have been donating ambulances and ambulance equipment to Syria for ages, right?

http://www.helprefugees.org.uk/2016/02/12/oz-shows-us-round-the-ambulances-donated-to-syria/

http://www.cornishman.co.uk/volunteers-send-ambulance-syria-penzance/story-29403611-detail/story.html
(because your above post makes it clear you'll think Pencanze is in the middle east, I'll let you know it is right down the south west of England)

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/03/uk-syria-aid-viewed-through-lens-terror-2014312905890256.html

Going by your comments on the bleeding & lack of crying, I can only assume your post is a piss take!

tigger123 · 19-08-2016 02:35PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

I don't think that one can say for definite whether it is real or fake, and although one can hope it isn't real, whether or not it is doesn't honestly really matter. The civil war was no less bloody last week than it is this week.

Do you approach every photograph you see in the media in such a manner?

skywanderer · 19-08-2016 02:37PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Mod: Not an immigration thread, so don't bring it up please.

My point is not about Immigration but rather Islamic Terrorism, I made absolutely no mention of immigration in my post.

Skylinehead · 19-08-2016 02:38PM

skywanderer wrote: »

My point is not about Immigration but rather Islamic Terrorism, I made absolutely no mention of immigration in my post.

as another excuse to give Europe some Jihadi "Cultural Enrichment".

Yeah, I'm not having that one. Also, it's not a terrorism thread, and also don't reply to mod instructions on thread - PM me if you have an issue.

Thanks.

gctest50 · 19-08-2016 02:39PM

Easy fake stuff like that if you're good enough :

http://imgur.com/a4Hrq7n

http://www.bustle.com/articles/38979-dutch-woman-zilla-van-den-borns-fake-vacation-examines-how-social-media-filters-reality

Graphic designer and student Zilla van den Born, 25, faked a five-week vacation in Southeast Asia

“Everybody knows that pictures of models are manipulated."

“My goal was to prove how common and easy it is to distort reality.”

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 19-08-2016 03:11PM

Billy86 wrote: »

You... do know countries have been donating ambulances and ambulance equipment to Syria for ages, right?

http://www.helprefugees.org.uk/2016/02/12/oz-shows-us-round-the-ambulances-donated-to-syria/

http://www.cornishman.co.uk/volunteers-send-ambulance-syria-penzance/story-29403611-detail/story.html
(because your above post makes it clear you'll think Pencanze is in the middle east, I'll let you know it is right down the south west of England)

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/03/uk-syria-aid-viewed-through-lens-terror-2014312905890256.html

Going by your comments on the bleeding & lack of crying, I can only assume your post is a piss take!

Yes absolutely. Irony is difficult but this was really obvious. Why the F anybody would think this is fake is beyond me. The sad arsehole who put together that evidence on that website should get his head checked.

Billy86 · 19-08-2016 03:15PM

Jase Round Self-incrimination wrote: »

Yes absolutely. Irony is difficult but this was really obvious. Why the F anybody would think this is fake is beyond me. The sad arsehole who put together that evidence on that website should get his head checked.

Sadly, such is the mental state of some people on AH that you could say almost literally anything and it would be hard to tell if you were serious of not...basic coherence and sentence structure isn't really even a requirement for some!

Elmer Blooker · 19-08-2016 03:19PM

Nermal wrote: »

How come it's over every newspaper, front page and TV channel, when the film of the child being beheaded by the 'moderate rebels' was not?

It's a very powerful photo, but have you asked yourself why it's being pushed in your face?

The Saudi bombardment of civilians in Yemen goes almost unnoticed too.
The fact that the Saudis are armed and supported by the west might just have something to do with it.

lawred2 · 19-08-2016 03:21PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

No. It is totally fake and phony.
If people could only think for themselves and not believe EVERYTHING they see and read in the media. None of this war porn from Aleppo is sourced from real journalists but from "civil defense" aid workers.
https://off-guardian.org/2016/08/18/media-using-pro-al-nusra-media-center-as-source-for-war-propaganda/
*note I used S and not C in defence.

to what ends?

conorhal · 19-08-2016 03:24PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Is it powerful imagery: yes
Should its authenticity be verified: I suppose
Should it inform our foreign policy: no

I don't have much time for people whose recognition of horror is directly proportional to the number of pixels used to record it.

The problem is that such photos are increasingly used, and I do mean used, as propaganda to advance a particular agenda by promoting a degree of emotional incontinence amongst people and encouraging them to disengage rationality and ignore context. It was pictures like this that were employed by the media to force interventions in Syria and Libya. ‘Something must be done, they’re killing civilians!’ was the standard refrain and that lead to no fly zones, limited air intervention, drone strikes and arming some very dubious people that sat under the broad umbrella of the ‘Free Syrian Army’, who hold Aleppo BTW. Which lead to rolling and constant civil war that will kill far more people then had the West stayed out it.

lawred2 · 19-08-2016 03:25PM

conorhal wrote: »

The problem is that such photos are increasingly used, and I do mean used, as propaganda to advance a particular agenda by promoting a degree of emotional incontinence amongst people and encouraging them to disengage rationality and ignore context. It was pictures like this that were employed by the media to force interventions in Syria and Libya. ‘Something must be done, they’re killing civilians!’ was the standard refrain and that lead to no fly zones, limited air intervention, drone strikes and arming some very dubious people that sat under the broad umbrella of the ‘Free Syrian Army’, who hold Aleppo BTW. Which lead to rolling and constant civil war that will kill far more people then had the West stayed out it.

You hold that that's not a valid refrain?

Elmer Blooker · 19-08-2016 03:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There's someone who has spectacularly missed the point and linked some about politics, the source of the video etc. in my OP I even said I did not want an analysis of who did it or the war itself. Indeed your very post underlines the point I was making, about the power of images...in this instance you linked a news source that is so alarmed about the power that they ascribe it to some other side.

The article does not state the video was faked. It suggests the child did not sustain serious injury. Which I knew. In fact, as was carried in the media, his entire family survived.

Maybe you should read my link again. The source of the video is the Aleppo Media Center (not centre!) If people want to believe what they are telling you that's fine with me.

bmwguy · 19-08-2016 03:31PM

People saying the video is fake, i'm as cynical as they come but I don't believe it is. Just very powerful image caught on camera.

The tv presenter has crocodile tears though. And a great big pair of boobs, nice looking bird.

I'd say she was off air saying how did I do, did I look devastated? It wouldn't have been the first time she saw it so why the tears? Kudos on the boobs though.

conorhal · 19-08-2016 03:31PM

lawred2 wrote: »

You hold that that's not a valid refrain?

Not if it means you then back a side that kills even more civillians then the people killing civillians. I have no truck with interventionism, stay out of other peoples civil wars that have noting to do with us.

Billy86 · 19-08-2016 03:36PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Maybe you should read my link again. The source of the video is the Aleppo Media Center (not centre!) If people want to believe what they are telling you that's fine with me.

Funny, because that link keeps linking to tweets etcthe the Aleppo Media Centre, while claiming things are coming from the 'Aleppo Media Center' which they never link to, and which Google is giving me no results for (they're all for Aleppo Media Centre).

It seems your link (Off Guardian) really do have a lot of time and appreciation for Putin and Trump though. Which was... less than shocking to me.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 19-08-2016 03:45PM

I saw his picture on Facebook this morning and clicked into the story. I'm not an emotional person but my eyes were streaming on the train, his little face. Tiny little boy with such a dead vacant stare, so calm. Clearly absolutely traumatised.
The nurses apparently reported he didn't cry once, until he saw his parents and then he started to cry. Absolutely heartbreaking, poor little fella.

He's little more than a baby. It makes me sad to think there's a million other tiny little kids being exposed to the same terror, losing parents, siblings or even their own life.

Aidan Holland · 19-08-2016 03:49PM

I saw the image felt sorry for the kid but in reality he's just collateral damage just like the 4500 children that have been killed in aleppo and if you think by sharing this video that the war will stop your deluded.The Syrian doctors in aleppo wrote a letter last month to Obama begging for help but no response as of yet and in reality you can have all the stupid meaningless Hastings you want like pray for Syria, nice but along as the most important people don't care nothing will ever change. People will die get raped and it goes on and On.Stop believing you can change the world because you simply can't

A Little Pony · 19-08-2016 03:51PM

Its absolutely shocking when I saw the video of him. While I am against taking in huge amounts of refugees, I feel so sorry for the child and if I could donate money to get the him and his family out of the place, I would.

Elmer Blooker · 19-08-2016 03:55PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Funny, because that link keeps linking to tweets etcthe the Aleppo Media Centre, while claiming things are coming from the 'Aleppo Media Center' which they never link to, and which Google is giving me no results for (they're all for Aleppo Media Centre).

The AMC seems to be affiliated to an organisation based in you know where.
http://www.syrian-expatriates.org/our-work/development-support/aleppo-media-centre/
spelt re here!

lawred2 · 19-08-2016 03:55PM

conorhal wrote: »

Not if it means you then back a side that kills even more civillians then the people killing civillians. I have no truck with interventionism, stay out of other peoples civil wars that have noting to do with us.

that's contradictory

Billy86 · 19-08-2016 03:59PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

The AMC seems to be affiliated to an organisation based in you know where.
http://www.syrian-expatriates.org/our-work/development-support/aleppo-media-centre/
spelt re here!

It was spelled 're' throughout the article on the pro Trump/Putin conspiracy website too. They just mustn't be very interested in doing their research and kept spelling it 'er'.

Either that, or they're just a proud offshoot of the Grauniad.

EDIT: From your link

News reporting and media outreach have been among the major tasks that are vital to the civil uprising in Syria. Aleppo Media Centre, a specialized news center serving Aleppo and its suburbs, has been established with a generous contribution from SEO.

Since October 2012, SEO has been responsible for coordinating Aleppo Media center and providing technical and logistical help along with the financial help it provided. The center continues its task in producing and publishing news reports from Aleppo to the world and has been working on a TV series that is aimed at increasing the public awareness about the civil uprising and providing guidance to the activist to avoid counter violence and chaos.

Scary, scary stuff. I would never have guessed the Aleppo Media Centre, based in Aleppo, Syria would be so twisted as to have associates based in Syria. And not only that, but to associate with people who have left Syria too.

19-08-2016 04:07PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Maybe you should read my link again. The source of the video is the Aleppo Media Center (not centre!) If people want to believe what they are telling you that's fine with me.

Yet again you miss the point.

The source is not relevant to this thread. The extent of the injury is not relevant to the thread. Whether centre is spelled with an -re or -er is not relevant to the thread.

The thread is about the power of images, and in this case why that is so, why does this one stand out over the many of children being taken from bombed buildings in conflict zones around the world? Your posts underline the power of this particular image as you rush around frantically trying to ascribe responsibility, and go even further than the article you link (which says the injuries were not severe) and insist it is completely faked.

RobertKK · 19-08-2016 04:59PM

Given the Russians and the Syrians opened up a safe passage for people to leave Aleppo, why didn't these people leave?
Are they fighting against Assad?

Samantha Power of the US described it as chilling, blaming Assad for what happened in Aleppo when there are two sides to blame.
I am just wondering why this family didn't leave and instead kept people like this child in question in the path of danger.
Maybe the parents hold some responsibility in all of this.

CMOTDibbler · 19-08-2016 05:18PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Given the Russians and the Syrians opened up a safe passage for people to leave Aleppo, why didn't these people leave?
Are they fighting against Assad?

Samantha Power of the US described it as chilling, blaming Assad for what happened in Aleppo when there are two sides to blame.
I am just wondering why this family didn't leave and instead kept people like this child in question in the path of danger.
Maybe the parents hold some responsibility in all of this.

Maybe the word has got back to Aleppo that nobody wants them?

jmayo · 19-08-2016 05:29PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Can't believe the conspiracy theories on here.

Why ?
At this stage I don't find anything believable or unbelievable if that makes any sense.

In 1991 a 15 year old girl stood before congress claiming the Iraqis were killing people in hospitals in Kuwait and had stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die.
It was used in the UN and Amnesty backed up here story with other testimony.

Nayirah testimony was a false testimony given before the Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990 by a 15-year-old girl who provided only her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and President George H.W. Bush in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War. In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ and that she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States.

Yes some babies did die and some other patients died, but it was because the hospital staff ran away and not because the Iraqis killed them.

Remember how we were told saddam had WMDs ?

Hell this kind of stuff dates back to 1914 when hysteria was whipped up that the Germans were slaughtering people in little old defenseless Belgium.

It is 100 percent certain that children have and are dying in Syria just like in every other war.
It is just part of war, they are not immune from bombs.

But this particular picture may not be what it purports to be, there looks to be more than a few question marks over it's veracity.

Omran - the boy in the ambulance in Aleppo

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