Eir rural FTTH thread

pegasus1 · 12-08-2016 12:25PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I am not certain of anything really, but I got the report from a former employee of eircom that I trust, and the fibre was being strung along poles of a blue-line apparently.
It is the first report I have had of such work that is in an exchange area not listed in the first lot of FTTH installs for March 2017.

would they have been running the fibre for the back haul to the exchange?

daraghwal · 12-08-2016 01:35PM

damienirel wrote: »

Exactly hence telling people they will be eligible for this or that is lies as nobody knows. Eir who are the provider don't seem to know. So people on here telling me how great it will be next year when loads of us have FTTH.
I'll stick to my own belief all these deadlines don't mean jack, nor do blue lines. Also I would like to add that the NBP is the biggest nonsense yet amber/blue areas all rubbish, give me deadlines. There should be a number checker at this stage with a date associated with it. Truth is all of us that are waiting for years for improvements may have a lot longer to wait. Granted it is improving but at a very very slow pace.

Exactly. The only way anyone will know for sure is when they can put their phone number/eir code into a system and it tells them exactly what they will get and when. While eir have this service to an extent with FTTC, it is highly inaccurate. DCENR have already said they have a book with everyone's eircode in it that's part of the NBP and until that is published, we simply do not know and are only hoping.

Gonzo · 12-08-2016 02:08PM

I would have thought all homes/premises included in the first 100,00 would have had some sort of indication by now using Eir's line checker an estimation of what month FTTH will reach numbers.

Despite some work in our area (still waiting for them to string the fiber), the line checkers still read 'eir fiber is in your area but hasn't reached your address yet'.

The wait is really bad tho, every time there is a bit of work done in our area they disappear for 6-8 weeks then come back and do another days work before moving away again. I'm beginning to have my doubts will I even see this Live before Christmas.

marno21 · 12-08-2016 02:31PM

We are nearly over the hill regarding FTTC rollout, there are 74 exchanges left for FTTC enabling, 7 of these are being done this week and a lot of whats left are small exchanges. There are also several cabinets in villages where the exchange was done recently and there are 1 or 2 cabs to do. My guess is that a lot of the crews on the rural FTTC rollout will now begin the FTTH rollout, as the amount of work for them to do is dwindling by the week.

There was one week there not too long ago where 60 cabs were turned on, it's no wonder there hasn't been progress on the FTTH rollout while they were so busy with the FTTC rollout.

rob808 · 12-08-2016 02:36PM

marno21 wrote: »

We are nearly over the hill regarding FTTC rollout, there are 74 exchanges left for FTTC enabling, 7 of these are being done this week and a lot of whats left are small exchanges. There are also several cabinets in villages where the exchange was done recently and there are 1 or 2 cabs to do. My guess is that a lot of the crews on the rural FTTC rollout will now begin the FTTH rollout, as the amount of work for them to do is dwindling by the week.

There was one week there not too long ago where 60 cabs were turned on, it's no wonder there hasn't been progress on the FTTH rollout while they were so busy with the FTTC rollout.

There one FTTC left to be done in summerhill Meath. it in green but there no date for it going live would you say that be done before end of 2016.

marno21 · 12-08-2016 02:38PM

rob808 wrote: »

There one FTTC left to be done in summerhill Meath. it in green but there no date for it going live would you say that be done before end of 2016.

Yep, SML_001 is build commenced, there are also exchange cabs in Hill of Down, Longwood & Bohermeen to be done.

Johnboy1951 · 12-08-2016 06:02PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

would they have been running the fibre for the back haul to the exchange?

If that was the case why the need for the junction boxes?

pegasus1 · 12-08-2016 06:14PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

If that was the case why the need for the junction boxes?

Forward thinking if the road has a blue line in that they wont have to rerun another fibre on top of the backhaul one at another date...

Johnboy1951 · 12-08-2016 06:18PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Forward thinking if the road has a blue line in that they wont have to rerun another fibre on top of the backhaul one at another date...

I guess it could be ... I am unsure, but I was left with the impression from what I was told that some of those junction boxes were being connected to the houses.
If I get to speak to my friend soon I will ask for clarification.

legocrazy505 · 12-08-2016 09:41PM

marno21 wrote: »

We are nearly over the hill regarding FTTC rollout, there are 74 exchanges left for FTTC enabling, 7 of these are being done this week and a lot of whats left are small exchanges. There are also several cabinets in villages where the exchange was done recently and there are 1 or 2 cabs to do. My guess is that a lot of the crews on the rural FTTC rollout will now begin the FTTH rollout, as the amount of work for them to do is dwindling by the week.

There was one week there not too long ago where 60 cabs were turned on, it's no wonder there hasn't been progress on the FTTH rollout while they were so busy with the FTTC rollout.

Yeah, they must be switching over because they've certainly taken their time with the cabinet in our village. :rolleyes:

Supposed to have started months ago and it seems the basics of it are only in now in the last month...

Honestly opening the NBP is a boot up the backside to get them going because the FTTH rollout really needs to get cracking big time now.

long_b · 13-08-2016 02:19PM

Like a lot of people I'm on a blue FTTH line but considering getting Imagine in for the meantime.

It'll depend on the timescale for FTTH though - I'm not going to pay 150 install fee (or 100 with a voucher) and then 100 to break the contract to Imagine if FTTH is going to be available in a couple of months.

I know it's "How long is a piece of string" question but what are people seeing as the possible earliest that people will e connected.

I'm at the end of q blue line, about 6km from the new cabinet planned for Curragh Camp.

AFAIK they've done a little pole straightening in our area but that's it.

I'm guessing it will be at least 3 months before they get it out as far as me? In theory how quickly could it be done (say you were the CEO if Eir)

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Gonzo · 13-08-2016 02:29PM

long_b wrote: »

Like a lot of people I'm on a blue FTTH line but considering getting Imagine in for the meantime.

It'll depend on the timescale for FTTH though - I'm not going to pay 150 install fee (or 100 with a voucher) and then 100 to break the contract to Imagine if FTTH is going to be available in a couple of months.

I know it's "How long is a piece of string" question but what are people seeing as the possible earliest that people will e connected.

I'm at the end of q blue line, about 6km from the new cabinet planned for Curragh Camp.

AFAIK they've done a little pole straightening in our area but that's it.

I'm guessing it will be at least 3 months before they get it out as far as me? In theory how quickly could it be done (say you were the CEO if Eir) ?

Is your area in the first 100,000 premises promised by March 2017? If so I would just stay put and hold off till FTTH is live. I would say at the very earliest people will start getting connected by mid to late November, maybe early December and then the rest from January to probably next April or May. If your area is down for Autumn/Winter 2016 you could well have it before Christmas. If it is Winter 2016 or Winter 2016/Spring 2017 then you will be looking at sometime after January imo.

Imagine's contract is a minimum of 18 months. Perhaps you should try and find out from Eir when exactly to the nearest month your gonna be live, say that your looking into going with Imagine, that might help them give you an answer.

It wouldn't be great if you got Imagine next month and then left stuck with it and their strict data cap till February 2018 while FTTH went live as early as this November.

long_b · 13-08-2016 03:23PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Is your area in the first 100,000 premises promised by March 2017? If so I would just stay put and hold off till FTTH is live. I would say at the very earliest people will start getting connected by mid to late November, maybe early December and then the rest from January to probably next April or May. If your area is down for Autumn/Winter 2016 you could well have it before Christmas. If it is Winter 2016 or Winter 2016/Spring 2017 then you will be looking at sometime after January imo.

Imagine's contract is a minimum of 18 months. Perhaps you should try and find out from Eir when exactly to the nearest month your gonna be live, say that your looking into going with Imagine, that might help them give you an answer.

It wouldn't be great if you got Imagine next month and then left stuck with it and their strict data cap till February 2018 while FTTH went live as early as this November.

Cheers Gonzo. I'm in the first 100K alright and the exchange is down as Winter/Spring.

I've no problem paying to break the Imagine contract when the time comes as long as I get a few months out of it,

If I'm badly throttled I'll just go back to 3's 4G via phone tethering for the day I guess.

Gonzo · 13-08-2016 04:16PM

long_b wrote: »

Cheers Gonzo. I'm in the first 100K alright and the exchange is down as Winter/Spring.

I've no problem paying to break the Imagine contract when the time comes as long as I get a few months out of it,

If I'm badly throttled I'll just go back to 3's 4G via phone tethering for the day I guess.

how much do Imagine charge for breaking a contract? I think Virgin Media charge about 200 euros. If Imagines charge is anything like that, that's alot of money to be paying if you manage to get FTTH as early as before Christmas.

Three 4g is your current provider? I presume its unlimited data, what sort of speeds do you get from Three?

long_b · 13-08-2016 04:33PM

Gonzo wrote: »

how much do Imagine charge for breaking a contract? I think Virgin Media charge about 200 euros. If Imagines charge is anything like that, that's alot of money to be paying if you manage to get FTTH as early as before Christmas.

Three 4g is your current provider? I presume its unlimited data, what sort of speeds do you get from Three?

Imagine is 100 to break contract.
3 speeds anywhere between 0. 5 and 10 down but very unstable recently. I'm in a marginal coverage area. Both Meteor and Vodafone have much faster speeds but not enough monthly allowance for us.

Roll on FTTH!!

pegasus1 · 13-08-2016 05:22PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Is your area in the first 100,000 premises promised by March 2017? If so I would just stay put and hold off till FTTH is live. I would say at the very earliest people will start getting connected by mid to late November, maybe early December and then the rest from January to probably next April or May. If your area is down for Autumn/Winter 2016 you could well have it before Christmas. If it is Winter 2016 or Winter 2016/Spring 2017 then you will be looking at sometime after January imo.

Imagine's contract is a minimum of 18 months. Perhaps you should try and find out from Eir when exactly to the nearest month your gonna be live, say that your looking into going with Imagine, that might help them give you an answer.

It wouldn't be great if you got Imagine next month and then left stuck with it and their strict data cap till February 2018 while FTTH went live as early as this November.

I would say as soon as the fibre is run and its backhauled, I would say they would have teams ready from th e get go to do the final bit into the house.. All those fibre loops hanging off the pole..very tempting for some damage by misspent youths etc..

Gonzo · 13-08-2016 05:46PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

I would say as soon as the fibre is run and its backhauled, I would say they would have teams ready from th e get go to do the final bit into the house.. All those fibre loops hanging off the pole..very tempting for some damage by misspent youths etc..

I hope your right!

I would imagine tho when they start stringing fibre in an area, that they will only activate it when the entire network of the exchange is complete. Would be nice to think once they wire past your gate that you can order within a week, but Ive a feeling there will be a bit of a wait before its order-able.

pegasus1 · 13-08-2016 06:18PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I hope your right!

I would imagine tho when they start stringing fibre in an area, that they will only activate it when the entire network of the exchange is complete. Would be nice to think once they wire past your gate that you can order within a week, but Ive a feeling there will be a bit of a wait before its order-able.

I wonder is that why they call it a 25 year plan:rolleyes:

rob808 · 13-08-2016 09:23PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

I wonder is that why they call it a 25 year plan:rolleyes:

That the NBP who ever win keep the network after 25 years pass.

guil · 13-08-2016 11:00PM

rob808 wrote: »

That the NBP who ever win keep the network after 25 years pass.

Has that been set in stone or are you presuming again?

jd · 13-08-2016 11:11PM

guil wrote: »

Has that been set in stone or are you presuming again?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/denis-naughten-defends-government-plans-to-privatise-broadband-network-1.2712817

So looks like gap funding and reverts to,operator after 25 years

rob808 · 13-08-2016 11:20PM

jd wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/denis-naughten-defends-government-plans-to-privatise-broadband-network-1.2712817

So looks like gap funding and reverts to,operator after 25 years

yup,pretty much and eir want to win all or at least half the NBP.

Gonzo · 13-08-2016 11:25PM

rob808 wrote: »

yup,pretty much and eir want to win all or at least half the NBP.

If Eir wins they will hold the contract till long after were dead! worth alot to them. They lost badly in urban areas due to severe under investment and NTL/UPC/Virgin media with forward thinking built a network and has held Eir back year's in Dublin. Im sure they don't want that mistake to happen again.

yqtwqxqm · 14-08-2016 08:08AM

Gonzo wrote: »

I hope your right!

I would imagine tho when they start stringing fibre in an area, that they will only activate it when the entire network of the exchange is complete. Would be nice to think once they wire past your gate that you can order within a week, but Ive a feeling there will be a bit of a wait before its order-able.

Hope it doesnt turn out like FTTC.
They hooked a few neighbours up straight away and then it was years before our phone line passed the test even though next door had it. Some other neighbours still dont pass the test and are still using 3 dongles for broadband.

daraghwal · 14-08-2016 08:52AM

yqtwqxqm wrote: »

Gonzo wrote: »

I hope your right!

I would imagine tho when they start stringing fibre in an area, that they will only activate it when the entire network of the exchange is complete. Would be nice to think once they wire past your gate that you can order within a week, but Ive a feeling there will be a bit of a wait before its order-able.

Hope it doesnt turn out like FTTC.
They hooked a few neighbours up straight away and then it was years before our phone line passed the test even though next door had it. Some other neighbours still dont pass the test and are still using 3 dongles for broadband.

Surely if they have to use 3 dongles they are further than 1.2km from the cab/exchange?

rob808 · 14-08-2016 10:25AM

yqtwqxqm wrote: »

Hope it doesnt turn out like FTTC.
They hooked a few neighbours up straight away and then it was years before our phone line passed the test even though next door had it. Some other neighbours still dont pass the test and are still using 3 dongles for broadband.

Tell your neighbours see if they can get imagine LTE it be better than 3 dongles till NBP rollout in summer 2017.

yqtwqxqm · 14-08-2016 11:54AM

rob808 wrote: »

Tell your neighbours see if they can get imagine LTE it be better than 3 dongles till NBP rollout in summer 2017.

Nothing out near us apart from 3, O2 or voda.
We are on the blue line so hopefully FTTH, but if the FTTC (about 800M from the cab) debacle is anything to go by you could be years waiting on them to connect it even if its near your house and some of your neighbours have it.

If you could pay a third party company to do from the cab / line to your house you would be far better off than wading through the eir beaurocracy.
"can i have eFibre please"
"Its not available in your area"
"The next door neighbours on either side and across the road have "
"Computer says no, fcuk off, we'll ring you when we feel like it"

Gonzo · 14-08-2016 12:45PM

yqtwqxqm wrote: »

Nothing out near us apart from 3, O2 or voda.
We are on the blue line so hopefully FTTH, but if the FTTC (about 800M from the cab) debacle is anything to go by you could be years waiting on them to connect it even if its near your house and some of your neighbours have it.

If you could pay a third party company to do from the cab / line to your house you would be far better off than wading through the eir beaurocracy.
"can i have eFibre please"
"Its not available in your area"
"The next door neighbours on either side and across the road have "
"Computer says no, fcuk off, we'll ring you when we feel like it"

The FTTC was quite patchy in that one house would get it the next one wouldn't. Then eVDSL kinda solved that problem within 1.2km of an exchange. Speeds after that were kinda more like ADSL2+.

This FTTH rollout is different tho, once the line runs past your home, you should be able to get it. The only exceptions I can think of is blue lines that are currently shown running through towns in the urban areas with cabinets close by. Think of it more like cable, once your on the cable you've got it.

yqtwqxqm · 14-08-2016 05:31PM

Gonzo wrote: »

The FTTC was quite patchy in that one house would get it the next one wouldn't. Then eVDSL kinda solved that problem within 1.2km of an exchange. Speeds after that were kinda more like ADSL2+.

This FTTH rollout is different tho, once the line runs past your home, you should be able to get it. The only exceptions I can think of is blue lines that are currently shown running through towns in the urban areas with cabinets close by. Think of it more like cable, once your on the cable you've got it.

Funny. People were saying the exact same thing before the FTTC rollout too.
If you are within 1Km of a cab you will definitely get it, no exceptions. Look how that turned out though.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-08-2016 05:45PM

yqtwqxqm wrote: »

Funny. People were saying the exact same thing before the FTTC rollout too.
If you are within 1Km of a cab you will definitely get it, no exceptions. Look how that turned out though.

The difference with real full fibre is that it is purposely designed for delivering high bandwidth data. All efforts up to now have been trying to deliver higher and higher speeds over a copper pair that was never intended to carry data.

Eir rural FTTH thread

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