The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

K-9 · 13-08-2016 02:15PM

20Cent wrote: »

Extradition to the US should be suspended while they torture people.

Or in privately run prisons they just don't care and they don't have the minimum staff numbers to run it properly.

gctest50 · 13-08-2016 02:16PM

end of the road wrote: »

no it isn't. the crime was commited elsewhere, therefore it is an elsewhere crime. in relation to this chap, he commited his supposed crime in ireland, therefore it is an irish crime even if it isn't against ireland.

Pity the High Court doesn't do makey-uppy charges - he's going to America :P

Threatening to have the FBI agents involved shot won't help :

Mr Davis told a friend he would have FBI agents involved in Silk Road's closure shot.

"I'll have the entire FBI shot." Mr Davis responded.

http://bit.ly/2aPpfit

end of the road · 13-08-2016 02:17PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If you're facilitating a drugs transaction that is happening on American soil, it doesn't matter where in the world you are, the crime to which you are a conspirator is happening in America.

For the exact same reason, if the Kinehans are ever pinned to a drugs transaction in Ireland, the authorities here can seek to have them extradited from Spain.

I don't know why I'm bothering arguing with you, it's probably a waste of time since your modus is to just deny & ignore facts, and flatly say 'no it isn't', with absolutely no logic to what you're saying.

he commited it in ireland, so therefore should be tried in ireland where a higher standard of evidence will be expected. also, he wouldn't be sent to an american reoffender creation factory if found guilty

13-08-2016 02:20PM

end of the road wrote: »

he commited it in ireland

ah jesus. Remind me never to get into a debate with you, you are impenetrable to all rationale, and just regurgitating the same nonsense.

Specialun · 13-08-2016 02:21PM

Funny thing is that the US are just looking to use him to set an example. Most governments want to shut down the dark web.

Notorious · 14-08-2016 09:43AM

TallGlass wrote: »

I know the site is extremely dodgy, just as much as a mod on here or even admins on here I don't believe they get a cut of the profits. Why target this guy if he didn't get any money? If that is the case can we start seeing mods on here sued for bans etc..

I don't know all the ins and outs of this website, but considering its on the dark web and the transactions involved, I can't imagine he moderated those topics for the good of his health. I'd assume there was money involved.

Esel · 14-08-2016 09:53AM

"The virtual money was only resting in my account, your honour."

aphex™ · 14-08-2016 09:57AM

Wonder what sort of proof they have.
With the owner of the site they only had pictures of his admin screen that they took after they ambushed him in a library while he was using free wifi. He couldn't lock his screen in time.

RustyNut · 14-08-2016 10:01AM

Sure I suppose if he isn't extradited legally the good oul us of a, will just send some of their heavies over to kidnap him, shove a tranquiliser suppository up his arse, chain him onto one of their planes in Shannon, transport him to somewhere we know nothing about and torture him until justice has been served.

Its the american way...

Billy86 · 14-08-2016 04:25PM

Specialun wrote: »

Funny thing is that the US are just looking to use him to set an example. Most governments want to shut down the dark web.

Well ken and KERSPLAT! did offer me a big bag of yokes in exchange for my horse back in 1992, and ancapailldorcha keeps PMing me to take some coke off his hands...

Next thing you'll be telling us Nicholas Cage is on drugs. :rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick · 14-08-2016 06:56PM

scopper wrote: »

Sure, I mean we sort of know they didn't come from the site per se, that it was just a medium, but I guess that argument would not work on an American normal everyday folk jury. Servers were in Iceland and totally hacked by the feds (they had some silly captha leak excuse).

One differential in his trial is that DPR's trial did not allow the corrupt agents angle. Now that they are bought in jail nothing to block the argument that the case is tainted.

That's what's dangerous about it. A medium should never be held responsible for the conduct of its users. It has a chilling effect, a bit like when Boards was sued by MCD for allowing allegedly slanderous discussion rather than the individual users who posted the relevant comments.

We should absolutely not be encouraging a premoderated internet in which platform providers are nervous to allow users to act in real time without some kind of supervising editor because the site itself is legally or civilly responsible. It should always be the end users of such sites. That would have the added benefit of a site like Silk Road being able to still operate in states which have actually legalised drugs.

Notorious · 14-08-2016 07:33PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's what's dangerous about it. A medium should never be held responsible for the conduct of its users.

There are times where it has to be accountable, or in this instance the user. This is part of the problem; people think they can do whatever they want on the internet and not be prosecuted for it, be it cyber bullying or having a hit put on someone.

Irish Times wrote:

It is claimed as part of his role Davis dealt with queries from the sites users, and he re-organised certain items that could be purchased on the website into different categories.

If the above is true, he had knowledge of crimes taking place.
Mod Post: Moved this thread to the Class-A Drugs and out of the ATM Hacks Discussion forum.

Gary was very, very stupid to get involved in a forum like that and to think that it would be easy money without consequence.

osarusan · 28-02-2017 03:05PM

Bumping this: Gary Davis has been taken into custody ahead of his extradition to the United States.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0228/856076-silk-road/

His extradition was ordered by the High Court last August. He appealed the decision which was dismissed by the three-judge Court of Appeal today.

Mr Davis had opposed his extradition on grounds that he suffers from both a form of autism known as Asperger's Syndrome and depression.

suicide_circus · 28-02-2017 03:15PM

If I were him I'd certainly be taking steps which would result in my confinement in a mental health facility here.

gctest50 · 28-02-2017 03:26PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's what's dangerous about it. A medium should never be held responsible for the conduct of its users. It has a chilling effect, a bit like when Boards was sued by MCD for allowing allegedly slanderous discussion rather than the individual users who posted the relevant comments.

It's nothing like boards - it's more like a new admin of donedeal/adverts/ebay manually adding on a few categories like :

[] Crystal Meth
[] Kiddie videos

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

We should absolutely not be encouraging a premoderated internet in which platform providers ........

Nothing to do with premoderating internet - he may as well have opened a warehouse in Wicklow and a few trucks stocked with Crystal Meth

PopePalpatine · 28-02-2017 05:02PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

If I were him I'd certainly be taking steps which would result in my confinement in a mental health facility here.

I wonder if Gary's going to be a topic of conversation when Mr. Kenny Goes To Washington (To Kiss Tangy Cheese-Flavoured Ass).

weldoninhio · 28-02-2017 07:48PM

The thread title should be edited. Remove "think they" from it.

28-02-2017 07:59PM

Lachlan Mango Sweeper wrote: »

He has a pretty sh1t solicitor if I do so say so myself.

Now I am not going to deny that sending his ID as "assurance" before he could become a mod was very dumb.
(This is mainly how he got caught BTW)

Where and when would his Solicitor have presented a case of mistaken ID?

Presumably a warrant for his arrest issued in the States, and the grounds for fighting extradition are extremely limited. There has been no proper airing of the evidence against him, that would come at a trial, and that trial will be in the States.

Hector Bellend · 28-02-2017 08:04PM

I'd say he has a savage porn stash.

Parchment · 28-02-2017 08:14PM

He was closely linked to The Silk Road. let the guy roast in whatever country wants him more.

marko99 · 20-03-2017 11:18AM

The 15 days post verdict has now expired, but I haven't seen any reports of the extradition having taken place. Has he gone?

ArmaniJeanss · 20-03-2017 11:25AM

marko99 wrote: »

The 15 days post verdict has now expired, but I haven't seen any reports of the extradition having taken place. Has he gone?

Supreme Court has agreed to hear a further appeal.

Glenster · 20-03-2017 12:02PM

Honestly, If one drug was sold in the USA as a result of his direct activities facilitating the trade on the site he should be extradited there.

I wouldn't want some drug dealer or kiddie fiddler to get away with distributing in Ireland from Cambodia.

Autism or whatever shouldn't be an issue.

end of the road · 20-03-2017 12:06PM

Glenster wrote: »

Honestly, If one drug was sold in the USA as a result of his direct activities facilitating the trade on the site he should be extradited there.

I wouldn't want some drug dealer or kiddie fiddler to get away with distributing in Ireland from Cambodia.

Autism or whatever shouldn't be an issue.

it has to be an issue. otherwise he could be manipulated by the US authorities and wouldn't receive a fair trial. not that he would get as fair a trial in america as he would get here anyway.

Glenster · 20-03-2017 12:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

it has to be an issue. otherwise he could be manipulated by the US authorities and wouldn't receive a fair trial. not that he would get as fair a trial in america as he would get here anyway.

Someone who commits a crime shouldn't be "let off" because they're autistic.

I happen to agree with the US system of treating all adults as equals in front of the law.

end of the road · 20-03-2017 01:13PM

Glenster wrote: »

Someone who commits a crime shouldn't be "let off" because they're autistic.

I happen to agree with the US system of treating all adults as equals in front of the law.

they have to be if their autism is severe enough. our system with it's faults is better in that we insure fairness and equality rather then simple equality but no protection for people.

20-03-2017 01:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

it has to be an issue. otherwise he could be manipulated by the US authorities and wouldn't receive a fair trial. not that he would get as fair a trial in america as he would get here anyway.

Pretty sure they have lawyers in the USA. And pretty sure their legal system is nuanced enough to factor in the effects of autism in either a verdict or a sentence, it's not wholly unlike ours. He won't be dunked in a pool to see if he floats or not to reach a verdict.

Glenster · 20-03-2017 01:27PM

end of the road wrote: »

they have to be if their autism is severe enough. our system with it's faults is better in that we insure fairness and equality rather then simple equality but no protection for people.

If that's the law then the law is nonsense.

If you're severely autistic you can do whatever you want?

Surely no.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 20-03-2017 01:55PM

If you smoked a joint in Amsterdam before it became legal in the US, you're fooked lads...

ohnonotgmail · 20-03-2017 01:56PM

Jenna Rapid Sandalwood wrote: »

If you smoked a joint in Amsterdam before it became legal in the US, you're fooked lads...

and why is that?

The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

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