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Terrorist attack averted in Canada

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  • #32
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    I wonder, had he not uploaded the video would he have successfully being able to carry out the bombing?
    I am skeptical over the competency of a bomber who detonates one of his bombs in an enclosed space and doesn't manage to kill anyone in that space.


  • #33
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    I wonder, had he not uploaded the video would he have successfully being able to carry out the bombing?

    The job of monitoring those sites must be close to the job of monitoring paedo sites for the sort of trauma it inflicts on the people who volunteer to do it.


  • #34
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Canada needs to buy the person who found that video a pint.


    No Islam is the problem.
    The Koran contains hateful messages that can be used by people looking to radicalise others.
    Just like the Bible has sections that can be used to justify hate against homosexuals.
    Religion is the last acceptable ideology where hate is tolerated.

    Look at it another way.
    There are millions upon millions of racists that don't commit racist attacks, does that mean racism is OK. No it doesn't.
    Most people are peaceful, but there's a minority who will grab hold of any hateful ideology and turn violent.

    The Koran and the Bible are generally open to interpretation. But look at it this way. Christianity has been a driving force behind many bad because people used it to justify them. On the other hand people have also used it to motivate them to do good things. Would you tell Father Peter McVerry that he is doing the work of the devil? He has chosen to follow the message of good he found in the bible and does great work from it. The Catholic church set up many of the schools and hospitals we benefit from today. how many charities are set up by religious organisations that do untold amount of good across the world? If you want to get rid of religion because people interpret it for bad that's fine. But you will lose a lot more good than bad.

    It's not about the book, it's about the way it's taught and we should be cracking down on those who teach the radical and extreme interpretations.


  • #35
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    The Koran and the Bible are generally open to interpretation. But look at it this way. Christianity has been a driving force behind many bad because people used it to justify them. On the other hand people have also used it to motivate them to do good things. Would you tell Father Peter McVerry that he is doing the work of the devil? He has chosen to follow the message of good he found in the bible and does great work from it. The Catholic church set up many of the schools and hospitals we benefit from today. how many charities are set up by religious organisations that do untold amount of good across the world? If you want to get rid of religion because people interpret it for bad that's fine. But you will lose a lot more good than bad.
    Well I'm not talking about getting rid of religions.
    They do need to be challenged on the hate that they profess and need to be put under pressure to abandon it.
    It's not about the book, it's about the way it's taught and we should be cracking down on those who teach the radical and extreme interpretations.
    It is though, the Koran is what extremists are using to justify their actions.
    If it was just about Mohammed going around having the craic like an Irish fan at the Euros I'm guessing we wouldn't have ISIS today.
    And how do you crack down on extreme interpretations, who decides whose understanding of a book is the correct one?
    It all goes back to the book, get rid of it and write one that fits in with modern society.


  • #36
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    It all goes back to the book, get rid of it and write one that fits in with modern society.
    [CENTER][B]21ST CENTURY BIBLE[/B]
[B][SIZE="2"]Vol. 1[/SIZE][/B]

There is probably no god.

[B][SIZE="2"]End[/SIZE][/B][/CENTER]


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  • #37
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    [CENTER][B]21ST CENTURY BIBLE[/B]
[B][SIZE="2"]Vol. 1[/SIZE][/B]

There is probably no god.

[B][SIZE="2"]End[/SIZE][/B][/CENTER]

    [CENTER][B]21ST CENTURY BIBLE[/B]
[B][SIZE="2"]Vol. 2[/SIZE][/B]

Don't be a c[size=2]un[/size]t.

[I]End.[/I]
[/CENTER]


  • #38
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Canada is an ultrasafe BFF with America yet the terrorists don't care about that so our crowd and the Democrats in America seem to be of the illusion that only Americans are targeted by Islamic terrorism. Difference is our beliefs are grounded in real concerns like the use of Shannon airport and transatlantic trade as opposed to the liberals who believe Donald J Trump is behind all the Jihadi's plots to target western populations.


  • #39
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Well I'm not talking about getting rid of religions.
    They do need to be challenged on the hate that they profess and need to be put under pressure to abandon it.


    It is though, the Koran is what extremists are using to justify their actions.
    If it was just about Mohammed going around having the craic like an Irish fan at the Euros I'm guessing we wouldn't have ISIS today.
    And how do you crack down on extreme interpretations, who decides whose understanding of a book is the correct one?
    It all goes back to the book, get rid of it and write one that fits in with modern society.

    You mean like scientology? You're talking about these religious books like they are people. They are just writings. Mein Kampf spawned a generation of nationalistic Germans but it's now an interesting look at the mind of a dictator. The text hasn't changed but if a person was inspired to try follow the footsteps of Hitler they'd face heavy resistance. Same can be done with the bible or koran. If a group uses the bible to justify hate, like the westboro baptist church, they face widespread opposition and derision.


  • #40
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    You mean like scientology? You're talking about these religious books like they are people. They are just writings.
    That's a very understaded way of putting it.
    And one which ignores the affect that religions have on the lives of billions of people around the world.
    Mein Kampf spawned a generation of nationalistic Germans but it's now an interesting look at the mind of a dictator.
    The text hasn't changed but if a person was inspired to try follow the footsteps of Hitler they'd face heavy resistance.
    Same can be done with the bible or koran. If a group uses the bible to justify hate, like the westboro baptist church, they face widespread opposition and derision.
    Mein Kampf isn't an important religious text that people try to live their lives by so it's not a valid comparison.
    Religious people use their religious texts to justify hate all the time.
    And no, they frequently don't face widespread opposition and derision.


  • #41
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    That's a very understaded way of putting it.
    And one which ignores the affect that religions have on the lives of billions of people around the world.

    No it doesn't. The religious books are simply books. It's the way their content is thought that determines the effect they have. Which is why people who follow the teachings of one book can vary so much in the way they follow it.
    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Mein Kampf isn't an important religious text that people try to live their lives by so it's not a valid comparison.

    It's the same thing, just on a smaller scale.
    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Religious people use their religious texts to justify hate all the time.
    And no, they frequently don't face widespread opposition and derision.

    Yes they do.


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  • #42
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Yes they do.
    Really there was no outrage in this case.
    Or this case, where both the Feminist society and the LGBT society defended the actions of the Muslims invovled.


  • #43
    tea and coffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭tea and coffee


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    I wonder, had he not uploaded the video would he have successfully being able to carry out the bombing?

    I think making the videos is part of the reason they do it. A lot of the people -usually young men - who perpetrate these crimes are angry and they feel no one listens to them, no one cares about them. They just want someone to notice them, and nothing better to gain infamy and be noticed to "go down in history " as having "achieved " something than to kill a bunch of people in a public place. And even better, make a video to remember me by!

    Isis , in many cases, provides the foil for them, if it wasn't that, it'd be something else. Some don't need it viz Sandy Hook, any.number of other college shootings, that lad in Germany recently, even that chap who got done for racist abuse in the UK recently - I was struck by how he said to the judge "no one listens to me anyway "


  • #44
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Really there was no outrage in this case.
    Or this case, where both the Feminist society and the LGBT society defended the actions of the Muslims invovled.

    I'm not exactly sure what you think those stories prove. There's entire websites, publications and organisations dedicated to mocking and opposing these kinds of incidents.


  • #45
    Robert_Paulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 ✭Robert_Paulson


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    How do you explain the millions upon millions of muslims who don't commit terrorist attacks?

    That probably has something to do with the fact that you cannot program humans to be radically efficient killing machines, like terminators. We are capable of independent thought, pity, remorse and fear, and that's why Muslims deviate from Islam's original teachings of intolerance and violence towards the fellow man.


  • #46
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I'm not exactly sure what you think those stories prove. There's entire websites, publications and organisations dedicated to mocking and opposing these kinds of incidents.
    I'm proving that some groups who use religious texts to justify hate aren't met with widespread opposition and derision.


  • #47
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    I'm proving that some groups who use religious texts to justify hate aren't met with widespread opposition and derision.

    That conclusion is very much evident in the present situation in the Arab world today. The Russians and Syrians have been doing most of the heavy lifting when it comes to ISIL but that won't be reported in the Sunday papers. No it will be talk of liberation from so called Islamic state when that army still has support amongst the population.


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