Terrorist attack averted in Canada

Little CuChulainn

So the FBI warned the Canadians of a martyr video posted online and the Canadian police recognised the poster. They went to his home and found him leaving in a taxi. He detonated a small explosive before being shot dead. he had a second explosive device on him. Seems like they got him just in time.

He wasn't a refugee or an immigrant. His father was a Canadian soldier and he was born and bred in Canada. He wasn't from a Muslim background either. It appears he was simply an angry middle class young man looking for a direction in life and was brought into the world of radical Islam through the internet.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0811/808421-canada/

Herb Powell

Ban the internet!

Smondie

Any ideas of what his matyr video contained. Did he give his motivation?

lawlolawl

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

So the FBI warned the Canadians of a martyr video posted online and the Canadian police recognised the poster. They went to his home and found him leaving in a taxi. He detonated a small explosive before being shot dead. he had a second explosive device on him. Seems like they got him just in time.

He wasn't a refugee or an immigrant. His father was a Canadian soldier and he was born and bred in Canada. He wasn't from a Muslim background either. It appears he was simply an angry middle class young man looking for a direction in life and was brought into the world of radical Islam through the internet.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0811/808421-canada/

Ban angry middle class young men.

Arsemageddon

Smondie wrote: »

Any ideas of what his matyr video contained. Did he give his motivation?

I think we can rule out dancing girls, fast cars, good music and an objective world view.

Duggy747

Read up on him, he was questioned back in 2014 when they saw he had been seen to be sympathising and commenting on ISIS-related content, he was pretty far down the rabbit hole in terms of supporting them. They had him marked in 2015 as someone who was a reasonable threat.

When he was released he had to meet conditions where he wasn't allowed to be near the a computer, a phone or use the internet until the end of August of this year. The tip-off was when he posted the video which was pretty much the sign that he was going to do something significant within the next few hours.

Despite the bail conditions and him and his lawyers proclaiming his innocence, he still went ahead planning an attack and constructed bombs.

josip

Even terrorism sounds safe and under control in Canada. Go Canada!

The Backwards Man

More blood on Merkel's hands eh?

beach_walker

I guess under Trudeau's definition, this guy won.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The Backwards Man wrote: »

More blood on Merkel's hands eh?

Look I agree with you that Merkel undoubtedly has caused serious issues in her own country through the acceptance of hundreds of thousands of unvetted immigrants from a vastly different culture but to blame her for this event in Canada is illogical and grossly unfair.

The Backwards Man

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Look I agree with you that Merkel undoubtedly has caused serious issues in her own country through the acceptance of hundreds of thousands of unvetted immigrants from a vastly different culture but to blame her for this event in Canada is illogical and grossly unfair.

I obviously wasn't sarcastic enough.

Wigglepuppy

lawlolawl wrote: »

Ban angry middle class young men.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

More blood on Merkel's hands eh?

Herb Powell wrote: »

Ban the internet!

Rather inane, diversionary comments really.

Smondie

Duggy747 wrote: »

Read up on him, he was questioned back in 2014 when they saw he had been seen to be sympathising and commenting on ISIS-related content, he was pretty far down the rabbit hole in terms of supporting them. They had him marked in 2015 as someone who was a reasonable threat.

When he was released he had to meet conditions where he wasn't allowed to be near the a computer, a phone or use the internet until the end of August of this year. The tip-off was when he posted the video which was pretty much the sign that he was going to do something significant within the next few hours.

Despite the bail conditions and him and his lawyers proclaiming his innocence, he still went ahead planning an attack and constructed bombs.

Well that puts a bit of a different picture on things

The Backwards Man

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

Rather inane, diversionary comments really.

Yeah, as if the thread is ever going to go any other way. A good debater gets their retaliation in first.

FalconGirl

The Backwards Man wrote: »

More blood on Merkel's hands eh?

Always one......

Taking an oppurtunity straight away to mock those who oppose Merkels clearly ridiculous immigration policies which no sane person would deem reasonable.

smash

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It appears he was simply an angry middle class young man looking for a direction in life

worst excuse ever...

Bubbaclaus

We need to ban taxis and middle class men immediately. Canada is such a dangerous country right now...You'd want to be mad to go there.


Am I doing the hysteria correctly?

Wigglepuppy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

We need to ban taxis and middle class men immediately. Canada is such a dangerous country right now...You'd want to be mad to go there.


Am I doing the hysteria correctly?

There isn't actually any hysteria whatsoever on this thread comprising a post and 16 responses in over an hour - just a few witless comments attempting to parody a hysteria, which, like I said, is not actually there.

biko

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

He wasn't a refugee or an immigrant. His father was a Canadian soldier and he was born and bred in Canada. He wasn't from a Muslim background either. It appears he was simply an angry middle class young man looking for a direction in life and was brought into the world of radical Islam through the internet.

It seems it's more and more clear Islam itself is the problem.

Maximus Alexander

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I obviously wasn't sarcastic enough.

Poe's Law is in full effect on After Hours, in fairness to the chap.

Little CuChulainn

biko wrote: »

It seems it's more and more clear Islam itself is the problem.

You think? You don't think that's correlation as opposed to causation? How do you explain the millions upon millions of muslims who don't commit terrorist attacks? There's no doubt that Islam is being used as a tool to radicalise young people but surely the problem is the people using it like that?

Your Face

What's all this aboot?

jiltloop

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Look I agree with you that Merkel undoubtedly has caused serious issues in her own country through the acceptance of hundreds of thousands of unvetted immigrants from a vastly different culture but to blame her for this event in Canada is illogical and grossly unfair.

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

Rather inane, diversionary comments really.

FalconGirl wrote: »

Always one......

Taking an oppurtunity straight away to mock those who oppose Merkels clearly ridiculous immigration policies which no sane person would deem reasonable.

I think every one has forgotten their sarcasm meters this morning. Can everybody please go back home and pick them up before returning to After Hours?

Thank you.

Wigglepuppy

jiltloop wrote: »

I think every one has forgotten their sarcasm meters this morning. Can everybody please go back home and pick them up before returning to After Hours?

Thank you.

I didn't miss sarcasm, just spotted deflection.

A thread was started about a foiled extremist attack and a few comments were thrown out as if people were foaming at the mouth in rage about it... when nobody was!

Arsemageddon

smash wrote: »

worst excuse ever...

Is it? Damn!

That's always been my rationale for shoplifting ladies underwear in Penneys.

hatrickpatrick

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

There isn't actually any hysteria whatsoever on this thread comprising a post and 16 responses in over an hour - just a few witless comments attempting to parody a hysteria, which, like I said, is not actually there.

I think that's the point. Because the guy was white and middle class, there's no hysteria.

No hypocrisy either :rolleyes:

jiltloop

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

I didn't miss sarcasm, just spotted deflection.

A thread was started about a foiled extremist attack and a few comments were thrown out as if people were foaming at the mouth in rage about it... when nobody was!

Nah I just saw a few funny comments that were very tongue in cheek. No perceived barbs from my point of view anyway.

hatrickpatrick

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Is it? Damn!

That's always been my rationale for shoplifting ladies underwear in Penneys.

I thought you got a bit lost in the store? It's Ireland's biggest lingerie section I understand...

Herb Powell

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

Rather inane, diversionary comments really.

It was just BANTER m8

No harm done m8

jackofalltrades

Canada needs to buy the person who found that video a pint.

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You think? You don't think that's correlation as opposed to causation? How do you explain the millions upon millions of muslims who don't commit terrorist attacks?
There's no doubt that Islam is being used as a tool to radicalise young people but surely the problem is the people using it like that?

No Islam is the problem.
The Koran contains hateful messages that can be used by people looking to radicalise others.
Just like the Bible has sections that can be used to justify hate against homosexuals.
Religion is the last acceptable ideology where hate is tolerated.

Look at it another way.
There are millions upon millions of racists that don't commit racist attacks, does that mean racism is OK. No it doesn't.
Most people are peaceful, but there's a minority who will grab hold of any hateful ideology and turn violent.

Duggy747

I wonder, had he not uploaded the video would he have successfully being able to carry out the bombing?

seamus

Duggy747 wrote: »

I wonder, had he not uploaded the video would he have successfully being able to carry out the bombing?

I am skeptical over the competency of a bomber who detonates one of his bombs in an enclosed space and doesn't manage to kill anyone in that space.

freedominacup

Duggy747 wrote: »

I wonder, had he not uploaded the video would he have successfully being able to carry out the bombing?

The job of monitoring those sites must be close to the job of monitoring paedo sites for the sort of trauma it inflicts on the people who volunteer to do it.

Little CuChulainn

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Canada needs to buy the person who found that video a pint.


No Islam is the problem.
The Koran contains hateful messages that can be used by people looking to radicalise others.
Just like the Bible has sections that can be used to justify hate against homosexuals.
Religion is the last acceptable ideology where hate is tolerated.

Look at it another way.
There are millions upon millions of racists that don't commit racist attacks, does that mean racism is OK. No it doesn't.
Most people are peaceful, but there's a minority who will grab hold of any hateful ideology and turn violent.

The Koran and the Bible are generally open to interpretation. But look at it this way. Christianity has been a driving force behind many bad because people used it to justify them. On the other hand people have also used it to motivate them to do good things. Would you tell Father Peter McVerry that he is doing the work of the devil? He has chosen to follow the message of good he found in the bible and does great work from it. The Catholic church set up many of the schools and hospitals we benefit from today. how many charities are set up by religious organisations that do untold amount of good across the world? If you want to get rid of religion because people interpret it for bad that's fine. But you will lose a lot more good than bad.

It's not about the book, it's about the way it's taught and we should be cracking down on those who teach the radical and extreme interpretations.

jackofalltrades

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The Koran and the Bible are generally open to interpretation. But look at it this way. Christianity has been a driving force behind many bad because people used it to justify them. On the other hand people have also used it to motivate them to do good things. Would you tell Father Peter McVerry that he is doing the work of the devil? He has chosen to follow the message of good he found in the bible and does great work from it. The Catholic church set up many of the schools and hospitals we benefit from today. how many charities are set up by religious organisations that do untold amount of good across the world? If you want to get rid of religion because people interpret it for bad that's fine. But you will lose a lot more good than bad.

Well I'm not talking about getting rid of religions.
They do need to be challenged on the hate that they profess and need to be put under pressure to abandon it.

It's not about the book, it's about the way it's taught and we should be cracking down on those who teach the radical and extreme interpretations.

It is though, the Koran is what extremists are using to justify their actions.
If it was just about Mohammed going around having the craic like an Irish fan at the Euros I'm guessing we wouldn't have ISIS today.
And how do you crack down on extreme interpretations, who decides whose understanding of a book is the correct one?
It all goes back to the book, get rid of it and write one that fits in with modern society.

Maximus Alexander

jackofalltrades wrote: »

It all goes back to the book, get rid of it and write one that fits in with modern society.

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There is probably no god.

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seamus

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

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There is probably no god.

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KingBrian2

Canada is an ultrasafe BFF with America yet the terrorists don't care about that so our crowd and the Democrats in America seem to be of the illusion that only Americans are targeted by Islamic terrorism. Difference is our beliefs are grounded in real concerns like the use of Shannon airport and transatlantic trade as opposed to the liberals who believe Donald J Trump is behind all the Jihadi's plots to target western populations.

Little CuChulainn

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Well I'm not talking about getting rid of religions.
They do need to be challenged on the hate that they profess and need to be put under pressure to abandon it.


It is though, the Koran is what extremists are using to justify their actions.
If it was just about Mohammed going around having the craic like an Irish fan at the Euros I'm guessing we wouldn't have ISIS today.
And how do you crack down on extreme interpretations, who decides whose understanding of a book is the correct one?
It all goes back to the book, get rid of it and write one that fits in with modern society.

You mean like scientology? You're talking about these religious books like they are people. They are just writings. Mein Kampf spawned a generation of nationalistic Germans but it's now an interesting look at the mind of a dictator. The text hasn't changed but if a person was inspired to try follow the footsteps of Hitler they'd face heavy resistance. Same can be done with the bible or koran. If a group uses the bible to justify hate, like the westboro baptist church, they face widespread opposition and derision.

jackofalltrades

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You mean like scientology? You're talking about these religious books like they are people. They are just writings.

That's a very understaded way of putting it.
And one which ignores the affect that religions have on the lives of billions of people around the world.

Mein Kampf spawned a generation of nationalistic Germans but it's now an interesting look at the mind of a dictator.
The text hasn't changed but if a person was inspired to try follow the footsteps of Hitler they'd face heavy resistance.
Same can be done with the bible or koran. If a group uses the bible to justify hate, like the westboro baptist church, they face widespread opposition and derision.

Mein Kampf isn't an important religious text that people try to live their lives by so it's not a valid comparison.
Religious people use their religious texts to justify hate all the time.
And no, they frequently don't face widespread opposition and derision.

Little CuChulainn

jackofalltrades wrote: »

That's a very understaded way of putting it.
And one which ignores the affect that religions have on the lives of billions of people around the world.

No it doesn't. The religious books are simply books. It's the way their content is thought that determines the effect they have. Which is why people who follow the teachings of one book can vary so much in the way they follow it.

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Mein Kampf isn't an important religious text that people try to live their lives by so it's not a valid comparison.

It's the same thing, just on a smaller scale.

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Religious people use their religious texts to justify hate all the time.
And no, they frequently don't face widespread opposition and derision.

Yes they do.

jackofalltrades

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Yes they do.

Really there was no outrage in this case.
Or this case, where both the Feminist society and the LGBT society defended the actions of the Muslims invovled.

tea and coffee

Duggy747 wrote: »

I wonder, had he not uploaded the video would he have successfully being able to carry out the bombing?

I think making the videos is part of the reason they do it. A lot of the people -usually young men - who perpetrate these crimes are angry and they feel no one listens to them, no one cares about them. They just want someone to notice them, and nothing better to gain infamy and be noticed to "go down in history " as having "achieved " something than to kill a bunch of people in a public place. And even better, make a video to remember me by!

Isis , in many cases, provides the foil for them, if it wasn't that, it'd be something else. Some don't need it viz Sandy Hook, any.number of other college shootings, that lad in Germany recently, even that chap who got done for racist abuse in the UK recently - I was struck by how he said to the judge "no one listens to me anyway "

Little CuChulainn

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Really there was no outrage in this case.
Or this case, where both the Feminist society and the LGBT society defended the actions of the Muslims invovled.

I'm not exactly sure what you think those stories prove. There's entire websites, publications and organisations dedicated to mocking and opposing these kinds of incidents.

Robert_Paulson

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

How do you explain the millions upon millions of muslims who don't commit terrorist attacks?

That probably has something to do with the fact that you cannot program humans to be radically efficient killing machines, like terminators. We are capable of independent thought, pity, remorse and fear, and that's why Muslims deviate from Islam's original teachings of intolerance and violence towards the fellow man.

jackofalltrades

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I'm not exactly sure what you think those stories prove. There's entire websites, publications and organisations dedicated to mocking and opposing these kinds of incidents.

I'm proving that some groups who use religious texts to justify hate aren't met with widespread opposition and derision.

KingBrian2

jackofalltrades wrote: »

I'm proving that some groups who use religious texts to justify hate aren't met with widespread opposition and derision.

That conclusion is very much evident in the present situation in the Arab world today. The Russians and Syrians have been doing most of the heavy lifting when it comes to ISIL but that won't be reported in the Sunday papers. No it will be talk of liberation from so called Islamic state when that army still has support amongst the population.