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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #1232
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    OK.
    So what we have is two opposite opinions with nothing official either way.
    Thanks for the clarification. ;)

    I have counted the premises in a certain exchange area due to get FTTH in the first phase by cross referencing with the Eircode map. Even including premises that would fall within FTTC limits (~1 KM) I was unable to get to the number quoted by Openeir in their press release. I was short by about 30 premises.


  • #1233
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I have asked him for official clarification on the matter. He has not or can not provide it. It makes no sense to assume that Openeir will turn away prospective customers after having invested their own capital rolling out cable.

    Therefore on the balance of probabilities I am deeming it misinformation.
    Im sorry we're your proof last time I check 300,000 homes eir targeting are part of NBP and still are nobody really know open eir plans and they aren't saying other than there targeing homes who can't get FTTC check Twitter they pretty much say that.


  • #1234
    superloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭superloopy


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I have counted the premises in a certain exchange area due to get FTTH in the first phase by cross referencing with the Eircode map. Even including premises that would fall within FTTC limits (~1 KM) I was unable to get to the number quoted by Openeir in their press release. I was short by about 30 premises.

    I'm going to have to stop coming here for hope. It's just a depressing hole of misinformation from desperate people. I will just have to keep refreshing the open eir map once a week.

    Met an Eir worker outside my house yesterday. Asked him about my exchange. No information. Saying it has all the equipment just needs switching on. Or something. I give up. He jokingly said it could be another 5 years. I said the phrase FTTH and he looked past me.

    I have waited 15 years to join the 21st century, what's another 5?


  • #1235
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    rob808 wrote: »
    Im sorry we're your proof last time I check 300,000 homes eir targeting are part of NBP and still are nobody really know open eir plans and they aren't saying other than there targeing homes who can't get FTTC check Twitter they pretty much say that.

    That was in answer to a question about Dublin areas getting FTTH. Do what I did. Pick an area with a FTTC enabled exchange that is in the first phase. Count the premises and tally it with the Openeir press release.


  • #1236
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    superloopy wrote: »
    I'm going to have to stop coming here for hope. It's just a depressing hole of misinformation from desperate people. I will just have to keep refreshing the open eir map once a week.

    Met an Eir worker outside my house yesterday. Asked him about my exchange. No information. Saying it has all the equipment just needs switching on. Or something. I give up. He jokingly said it could be another 5 years. I said the phrase FTTH and he looked past me.

    I have waited 15 years to join the 21st century, what's another 5?

    Why have you quoted my post as an example of depressing misinformation from desperate people?


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  • #1237
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    That was in answer to a question about Dublin areas getting FTTH. Do what I did. Pick an area with a FTTC enabled exchange that is in the first phase. Count the premises and tally it with the Openeir press release.

    back when the first 100,000 was announced I did that for my local exchange of Dunshaughlin. The Eir press release states 570 homes covered here. I opened up their map, boiled 2 cups of coffee and counted every single home/premises along the blue lines in the Dunshaughlin exchange area and excluded the ones inside the town boundary and the count came to about 550 houses, so just a handfull of homes inside the town boundary may get included.


  • #1238
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I have counted the premises in a certain exchange area due to get FTTH in the first phase by cross referencing with the Eircode map. Even including premises that would fall within FTTC limits (~1 KM) I was unable to get to the number quoted by Openeir in their press release. I was short by about 30 premises.

    Interesting, I did something similar, and came very close to the numbers released.
    I suspected they might be making some small allowance for the 'unknown'.


  • #1239
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gonzo wrote: »
    back when the first 100,000 was announced I did that for my local exchange of Dunshaughlin. The Eir press release states 570 homes covered here. I opened up their map, boiled 2 cups of coffee and counted every single home/premises along the blue lines in the Dunshaughlin exchange area and excluded the ones inside the town boundary and the count came to about 550 houses, so just a handfull of homes inside the town boundary may get included.

    I was not referring to large semi-urban areas like Dunshaughlin. I was more considering small rural exchanges that have FTTC. To get to the unserviced premises Openeir are going to have to pass homes that may already have VDSL services. According to Rob these premises will be ignored even if they want the service despite installation crews being in the locality. Makes no sense to me.


  • #1240
    superloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭superloopy


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Why have you quoted my post as an example of depressing misinformation from desperate people?

    Laziness.


  • #1241
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    superloopy wrote: »
    Laziness.

    No problem. Sure stick around anyway. Despite all our disagreements I think we all want the same outcome at the end of the day!


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  • #1242
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I was not referring to large semi-urban areas like Dunshaughlin. I was more considering small rural exchanges that have FTTC. To get to the unserviced premises Openeir are going to have to pass homes that may already have VDSL services. According to Rob these premises will be ignored even if they want the service despite installation crews being in the locality. Makes no sense to me.
    They won't be ignored there just not part of rural rollout they get FTTH.It just the time frame nobody knows I'm guessing after the 66 town rollout finish plus there also siro phase 2 if there phase 1 a success.


  • #1243
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    rob808 wrote: »
    They won't be ignored there just not part of rural rollout they get FTTH.It just the time frame nobody knows I'm guessing after the 66 town rollout finish plus there also siro phase 2 if there phase 1 a success.

    It's like banging your head against a brick wall. You got all this from a tweet? You certainly are guessing.


  • #1244
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    I received a report from a friend in Kerry that eir were stringing fibre along poles, with junction boxes every so often, and connection to several houses from each junction box.
    Made me wonder if they were doing some FTTH roll out I had not heard about, or have started in some rural localities.


  • #1245
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I received a report from a friend in Kerry that eir were stringing fibre along poles, with junction boxes every so often, and connection to several houses from each junction box.
    Made me wonder if they were doing some FTTH roll out I had not heard about, or have started in some rural localities.

    Well they have 8010 premises listed in the first phase for Kerry. They have a lot of work to do to meet the deadline.


  • #1246
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I received a report from a friend in Kerry that eir were stringing fibre along poles, with junction boxes every so often, and connection to several houses from each junction box.
    Made me wonder if they were doing some FTTH roll out I had not heard about, or have started in some rural localities.

    Sure it was eir? Enet seem to be doing a lot of trials around Kerry


  • #1247
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    It's like banging your head against a brick wall. You got all this from a tweet? You certainly are guessing.
    I think we're all guessing at this stage:).


  • #1248
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    TBH rob this isnt the first time you've come out with very dubious advice. If you dont know dont comment for the sake of commenting.


  • #1249
    guil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,611 ✭✭✭✭guil


    rob808 wrote: »
    They won't be ignored there just not part of rural rollout they get FTTH.It just the time frame nobody knows I'm guessing after the 66 town rollout finish plus there also siro phase 2 if there phase 1 a success.

    You really need to step back from the keyboard and stop getting excited. You have no clue about the rollout and like others have already said, I've lost count the amount of times you post something as fact yet it's just some wild dream you have had.


  • #1250
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    guil wrote: »
    You really need to step back from the keyboard and stop getting excited. You have no clue about the rollout and like others have already said, I've lost count the amount of times you post something as fact yet it's just some wild dream you have had.
    Oh I'm and you do please relax with your Bs nobody on this boards know open eir plans in detail.


  • #1251
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    rob808 wrote: »
    Oh I'm and you do please relax with your Bs nobody on this boards know open eir plans in detail.

    Exactly hence telling people they will be eligible for this or that is lies as nobody knows. Eir who are the provider don't seem to know. So people on here telling me how great it will be next year when loads of us have FTTH.
    I'll stick to my own belief all these deadlines don't mean jack, nor do blue lines. Also I would like to add that the NBP is the biggest nonsense yet amber/blue areas all rubbish, give me deadlines. There should be a number checker at this stage with a date associated with it. Truth is all of us that are waiting for years for improvements may have a lot longer to wait. Granted it is improving but at a very very slow pace.


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  • #1252
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    It's like banging your head against a brick wall. You got all this from a tweet? You certainly are guessing.
    I think rob808 is getting things backwards...

    FACT...
    In Kilkenny, Knocktopher has just got FTTC enabled, now winter'16/Spring'17 they are getting FTTH on all the blue lines including right beside the exchange..
    Now where is the facepalm emijo....


  • #1253
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    damienirel wrote: »
    Exactly hence telling people they will be eligible for this or that is lies as nobody knows. Eir who are the provider don't seem to know. So people on here telling me how great it will be next year when loads of us have FTTH.
    I'll stick to my own belief all these deadlines don't mean jack, nor do blue lines. Also I would like to add that the NBP is the biggest nonsense yet amber/blue areas all rubbish, give me deadlines. There should be a number checker at this stage with a date associated with it. Truth is all of us that are waiting for years for improvements may have a lot longer to wait. Granted it is improving but at a very very slow pace.
    I agree with you there open eir give little to no info about there rollout only what we already know at moment.


  • #1254
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    damienirel wrote: »
    Exactly hence telling people they will be eligible for this or that is lies as nobody knows. Eir who are the provider don't seem to know. So people on here telling me how great it will be next year when loads of us have FTTH.
    I'll stick to my own belief all these deadlines don't mean jack, nor do blue lines. Also I would like to add that the NBP is the biggest nonsense yet amber/blue areas all rubbish, give me deadlines. There should be a number checker at this stage with a date associated with it. Truth is all of us that are waiting for years for improvements may have a lot longer to wait. Granted it is improving but at a very very slow pace.
    There will be a number checker this time next year as the two area's north/south will have their companies selected and all the plans will be laid bare...How can a number checker work when even dcner don't have anything fully finalised yet as to what companies gets the go ahead!


  • #1255
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    I think rob808 is getting things backwards...

    FACT...
    In Kilkenny, Knocktopher has just got FTTC enabled, now winter'16/Spring'17 they are getting FTTH on all the blue lines including right beside the exchange..
    Now where is the facepalm emijo....
    How about kilmessan ,Rathmolyon ,Kiltale in co Meath they don't even have FTTC there getting FTTH because they only need a exchange to connect them up.


  • #1256
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    There will be a number checker this time next year as the two area's north/south will have their companies selected and all the plans will be laid bare...How can a number checker work when even dcner don't have anything fully finalised yet as to what companies gets the go ahead!

    How do you know there will be a number checker this time next year? Even if the dcner told me I'd have FTTH in 5 years time I wouldn't believe them and as for Eir they could tell me I was going to get 20mb broadband in 5 years time and I wouldn't believe them? My point is they are all spin and hype. I will believe it when eir are installing the fibre in my house - until that happens I'm not convinced. Doubting Thomas if you wish but that's after 10 years of crap service my expectations are on the floor.


  • #1257
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    rob808 wrote: »
    How about kilmessan ,Rathmolyon ,Kiltale in co Meath they don't even have FTTC there getting FTTH because they only need a exchange to connect them up.
    Knocktopher was only meant to get FTTH but they installed FTTC first...
    Where I am we still have radio backhaul/adsl and we will go straight to FTTH though for a while we were down to get FTTC first but that changed...though maybe we are getting fibre backhaul installed and someone in charge of the map thought that meant FTTC..who knows..


  • #1258
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    damienirel wrote: »
    How do you know there will be a number checker this time next year? Even if the dcner told me I'd have FTTH in 5 years time I wouldn't believe them and as for Eir they could tell me I was going to get 20mb broadband in 5 years time and I wouldn't believe them? My point is they are all spin and hype. I will believe it when eir are installing the fibre in my house - until that happens I'm not convinced. Doubting Thomas if you wish but that's after 10 years of crap service my expectations are on the floor.
    Because if you read the reports from the minister of communications etc you would know too.
    If you don't believe in anything, why do you still read this thread?


  • #1259
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    Knocktopher was only meant to get FTTH but they installed FTTC first...
    Where I am we still have radio backhaul/adsl and we will go straight to FTTH though for a while we were down to get FTTC first but that changed...though maybe we are getting fibre backhaul installed and someone in charge of the map thought that meant FTTC..who knows..
    well your lucky happy days now all we have to do is wait for the rollout.I wish they would start now and get on with it waiting on it the killer.


  • #1260
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    Because if you read the reports from the minister of communications etc you would know too.
    If you don't believe in anything, why do you still read this thread?

    I live in hope - I'm just not gullible. :p

    P.S. I do actually feel more positive now that Denis Naughten is the minister over that tw@t Alex White.


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  • #1261
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    daraghwal wrote: »
    Sure it was eir? Enet seem to be doing a lot of trials around Kerry

    I am not certain of anything really, but I got the report from a former employee of eircom that I trust, and the fibre was being strung along poles of a blue-line apparently.
    It is the first report I have had of such work that is in an exchange area not listed in the first lot of FTTH installs for March 2017.


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