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Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Not antsy at all. Just not willing to buy into the "MM is a saintly choirboy, who just happens to be built like a Panzer tank & he didn't really mean to hit Fenton so hard" propaganda that is peddled in some parts. You could call it good practice for whenever Kieran Donaghy does whatever Kieran Donaghy inevitably will do in the AI semi final. ;)

    (The smiley faces are your first clue that I'm not being entirely serious. :P )

    It's funny you mention Donaghy I think Poor Michael has joined Keiran in the ranks of players that were formerly talented but are now just big useless fookers that are only good for walloping the lads who are cleaning them out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Bambi wrote: »
    It's funny you mention Donaghy I think Poor Michael has joined Keiran in the ranks of players that were formerly talented but are now just big useless fookers that are only good for walloping the lads who are cleaning them out

    I'm tempted to throw Aidan O'Shea into the mix too & then just sit back and watch the chaos & carnage ensue. But I'm not that much of a trouble maker.....whistles innocently....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Bambi wrote: »
    It's funny you mention Donaghy I think Poor Michael has joined Keiran in the ranks of players that were formerly talented but are now just big useless fookers that are only good for walloping the lads who are cleaning them out

    Unlike Donaghy, MM is a footballer and is still capable of some decent things...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    All those points from Cormac Costello yet not getting a sniff in the Championship. Slightly worrying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    Unlike Donaghy, MM is a footballer and is still capable of some decent things...

    I've had the pleasure of seeing Murphy in full flight, admittedly a few years ago and at a lower level in the Sigerson for DCU. Murphys fitness and Donegals game plan have worked against him this year - but given his head on the field and a style that plays to his strengths on his day he is phenomenal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Unlike Donaghy, MM is a footballer and is still capable of some decent things...

    I'd take the two of them tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Stoner wrote: »
    I'd take the two of them tomorrow.

    I know you have a weird grá for Keengdum and I don't get it. Wouldn't touch Donaghy. Absolutely hate him with all my heart and soul.

    MM I'd have in a heartbeat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Well of we had him they wouldn't, never said he'd get his game !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Stoner wrote: »
    Well of we had him they wouldn't, never said he'd get his game !

    Touché sir. Touché.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    In the same seats as I was for the QF (305RR).

    I'll be made up if I get that lucky for the final (should we get there).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    Possibly already been dealt with, good interview with Bernanrd Brogan Sr with Antony Moyles this week.

    Interview just under the article.

    http://www.balls.ie/gaa/berrnard-brogan-snr/341382


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Anyone know what the dress code is for the boxes at croker? Heading the the hurling semi tm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭LostBoy101


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Anyone know what the dress code is for the boxes at croker? Heading the the hurling semi tm
    There isn't any!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    There is no one dress code that everyone has to abide by, unless the company that has the box, stipulates their own dress code for people in their box. My nieces company does a lot of corporate hospitality in Croker. When they attend games in the company box, they have to wear business casual clothes. That comes from the company itself & not Croke Park. Check with the company, if you're worried that your jeans & beer and ketchup stained jersey won't cut the mustard. :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Cheers, it's a tough balance ☺


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,831 ✭✭✭corny


    Has O Gara appealed his red yet? Haven't heard anything on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    Strange yeah .. never heard a word since JG intimated last week that they'd appeal. I suppose like a lot of these type of incidents, the fact that there was a slap (harmless an all as it was) negates the appeal on the grounds of there not being a strike ?, so then we get into the watery type of argument with regards intent and provocation etc You'd have to imagine that JG is reluctant to get into the circus that followed the Keegan/Connolly episode last year, resulting in the chap still at a meeting at midnight on the day of the replay game.

    Was only thinking that if everything was as cut and dried as Keegans appeal in 2014 when he attempted to kick (Buckley ?) in AISF. His was rescinded because he was sanctioned incorrectly for a strike when it should've been attempted strike :( .. I doubt O'Garas case has that wiggle room


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭BKWDR


    And in all liklihood, i don't see O'Gara being a starter or a massive contention for coming in off the bench in the two (possible) games we have.

    He's seen a half sniff of championship football this year and has himself to blame for the (poorly officiated) red card. I don't think there's wiggle room, a strike is a strike and thats what he did. It was soft but if Jim starts muddying the water with an appeal that isn't clear-cut over a non-starter he could make life unneccesarily hard on the team


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Past30Now


    I'm a big fan of O'Gara but agree with the point above. He hasn't played enough to be in with a chance of a start, or to come in with a semi final in the balance. Not worth appealing, not worth creating the uncertainty. He's out for the semi final. If we make the final he'll probably be included, but not at the expense of Mannion or O'Callaghan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    Yeah I'd agree with that too - I also think that while JG would appear publicly to be backing O'Gara it wouldn't surprise me if behind it all there's a message to O'Gara to get his discipline in order - was only on the field a few mins down in Kilkenny and got a yellow too. Personally I think JG will let the sleeping dogs lie, it doesn't serve any purpose to get embroiled in that appeals process for as you say a bit part player this season at least.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Fcuk it. Appeal it. It was a joke shop of a card. If he was going well enough in training to make it into the game day 26, then he is still good enough & I want to be able to call on him if need be. Yes, he's had a quiet enough summer so far. But who knows when he may produce some of that old O'Gara razzle dazzle, the way that Mannion seemed to re-explode onto the scene in the Donegal game? With Alan Brogan, Rory and Jack gone and Jamesy's fitness being up in the air, we can't turn up our noses at possible impact players coming off the bench.

    If he gets off, great. If he doesn't, well it's not like he is a big name player and it's going to cause a big, distracting fuss. When it comes to laying down the law, let's face it, Jim Gavin doesn't seem all that inclined to come down all that hard on anyone, or drop them after they get sent off, to "teach them a lesson." It's a pc thing to say in theory, but it's a bit pie on the sky for me. It's not fair to hold O'Gara to a higher standard than anyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    I'd appeal it, this one is fair.

    Thoughts on the game?
    I feel exactly like I did for the league final, it's just as likely that Kerry will show up. I think the matchups will be similar to last year, expecting D Daly to do a job off the beach again he's been a very good problem solver. I'm expecting another big game from Mannion, I think his speed, strength and runs will trouble the Kerry backs.
    Midfield again will be key, need another good game from MDMA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Thoughts are that as nearer it gets my realism is sinking in. Not worried about this game. Kerry have been gash for a year and there's zero evidence to suggest that they're gonna turn up. All this crap about them aiming for this game is balls.

    Sure we're missing who we are missing but the way we handled Donegal and they are slightly better than Clare shows that there is a patience to this team to wait for the scores to properly present themselves.

    I want us to absolutely pummel them into submission and I'll be disappointed with anything else.

    I'm not being complacent, and we all know that Dublin don't do complacency these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,831 ✭✭✭corny


    Thoughts are that as nearer it gets my realism is sinking in. Not worried about this game. Kerry have been gash for a year and there's zero evidence to suggest that they're gonna turn up. All this crap about them aiming for this game is balls.

    I think Dublin will win but never underestimate what adversity can bring out in people. They were well beaten last year and i'm sure the drive to overturn that has pushed them far in training this year. Bet your life they won't be cannon fodder.

    I've been very impressed with Dublins application this year though. No passengers. No one resting on last years success. We were more than willing to run Donegal into the ground in adversity and if thats matched or bettered i can't see Dublin losing.

    Interested to see how their forwards get on. For the past 18 months Dublins defenders have been crucifying the opposition. First to every ball, making their men run in the opposite direction, etc. Lots of the credit is given to the new 'system' but thats too simple imo. Individual battles are being won consistently. O' Donoghue won't get a sniff i tell ye.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    I'd take the league final result with a pinch of salt myself for any number of reasons - but I wouldn't discount the relative merits of the 2 teams. Much like the AI final I feel Dublin are better in nearly every area of the field in the individual battles.

    Brolly wrote last week of Kerry being the new Donegal and there's definitely a negativity to their play in their present set up. Going back to 2013 EF was lauded for the football they brought to Croker that day and rightly so they were fantastic, but ultimately their success in out Donegalling Donegal in 2014 has become their template. As EF has grown into the job his focus has come to look at stopping the opposition rather than imposing their better skills on them. All the talk of Paul Murphy in the HF line as a touch of genius on EF's part is just guff, he's an extra defender higher up the pitch and in the league final was tasked with man marking Philly McMahon, Gary Sweeney also remarked during the week of how negative defensively he found Kerry in the Munster final and that it really caught them on the hop.

    The week ahead will be full of stories of the tactical masterplan being devised, much like Donegal having a few tricks up their sleeve last time out but ultimately if their prime concern is packing their defenser to stop Dublin playing it will fail eventually.

    Dublin matches by virtue of them nearly all being televised both league and championship are the most analysed team by both pundits and other counties alike. Those inside the camp will tell you that this forces their game plan to constantly change - an example this year would be Jonny Cooper's forays forward instead of Philly. The Kerry set up could do worse than looking at a rerun of their own 2013 brand of football and give it a right go - it would be far better that theyre carried out on their shield than stifle their natural footballing instincts. Ta


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Yeah I'm hoping for a good game. Kerry and Dublin have that in them .

    Last year Brolly was using Kerry's performance against Donegal as proof of how flexible they are and how they can fit any shape required. Now less than a year later it's apparently their brand and a weakness.
    In fairness to Kerry they tried a few different styles against Dublin, if they went out for another 2013 then people would talk about their limitations on the line. I'm concerned that Brolly is writing kerry off, I preferred the spoof smokey stuff we saw last year about their savage bench etc, we saw through that here and so did many kerry guys, but there is no way Kerry are the new Donegal, that insults Donegal and Kerry imo.
    I'm definitely expecting something different this time again from Kerry.
    I'd actually disagree agree that you can't hold Dublin out for the whole game.
    Much like talk about you can score long range points for a whole game.
    I think again that apart from our midfield paring that Dublin finish with a better team than the starting lineup with the likes of McManamon coming off the bench in the past as a superior option coming on, same with Mannion vs Donegal we've seen his form all year, Donegal would have struggled with him regardless of when he was introduced. They set up to mark Brogan out of the game but were not able to change their style for Mannion. I think that's your point though as well Doc.

    A lot of the reasons some teams give for losing to Dublin centres on being tired, I'm sure that happens but we have also done well recently with our defensive subs closing down the oppositions main threat (Daly v McHugh V O'Sullivan) and also putting lads on that have a bit more than the defenders. The matchups are right. That's something Fitzmaurice was being lauded for 10 months ago. I doubt that's changed

    I think that Kerry can definitely win this game , I'm expecting something different, someone playing in a different position etc (like the way DOS writes about doing something different every game) we had that with Philly on Gooch last time. I agree with you there alright Doc. It took the Kerry line ages to adjust to Philly last year. That won't happen again. So we need our own style changes.

    We need to be the new Donegal.
    Get some guy up a tree with a camera, have a look at Enright playing corner forward!

    One thing though , I'm expecting a big game from Brogan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    Stoner wrote: »
    .........

    We need to be the new Donegal.
    Get some guy up a tree with a camera, have a look at Enright playing corner forward!

    ............

    Jaysis Stoner you might be right they're up to something


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    I'll be disappointed if its not +6 points at the end of 70 mins.

    As I said already, last years AI final was one of the most comfortable victories I've seen in any AI final - the score line flattered Kerry and they were probably lucky is was wet that day - and lets be honest, they haven't improved from last year (though they didn't have to given who they have played).

    The funny thing is, when Dublin come through against easy teams and get to a semi they're always 'vulnerable'.
    When Kerry do it, they can only beat 'whats in front of them' and are now classed as 'dangerous' or 'lurking in the long grass' :D:D

    The fact Kerry have not been tested will work against them big time. While the Donegal game, although handy enough for us, will stand to us given how Donegal set up.

    **** it, Dublin by 10 :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭homewardbound11


    Just on Kerry . The biggest problem Kerry have is that too many of their stars are too old or too slow to deal with Dublin. ( Sheehan, cooper,Moran , oshea, donaghy ) Their problem is keeping the balance whilst keeping pace with Dublin . I expect it to be close for 60 odd minutes . Dublin by 3 .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Past30Now


    I believe Kerry were lucky that O'Mahony was sent off in the league final. It gave them something to hang onto. We were comfortable that day against them, and even when it was 15 on 15, I never felt that we were in any danger, and always looked like pulling away. It was the same against Donegal, even when DC was sent off, the team believed they had what it took to win the game. That self belief is the biggest improvement in Dublin in the last few years.

    I'm also expecting a big game from Bernard. I'm hoping for a disciplined performance by DC. Dublin by 5/8 points, but leading throughout the second half.


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