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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • #2582
    Battery Kinzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Battery Kinzie


    kittyclaws wrote: »
    Went out this evening and my thigh went numb again :(
    I keep taking 2-3 days off, leg starts to get better, I run and then it goes numb again.
    I'm going to take a week off and just cross-train/stretch/swim, I'm a little ahead of my program, I'd prefer let this silly injury fully heal instead of cutting my runs short all the time, I'm afraid it will turn into something more serious :(

    I'll have to take a rain-check on meeting everyone :(
    Have you been to a physio? These sort of things may not go away with a couple months rest, whereas a physio may have you back in 2 days if its something small.


  • #2583
    kittyclaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    I've just sent an email to my Physio so will hopefully get an appointment in the next day or two :)
    It's so odd, it's not sore but it just goes numb as soon as I start running. It's probably just a slight muscle strain, I'll get it checked before it turns into something worse.


  • #2584
    hillsiderunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    kittyclaws wrote: »
    Went out this evening and my thigh went numb again :(
    I keep taking 2-3 days off, leg starts to get better, I run and then it goes numb again.
    I'm going to take a week off and just cross-train/stretch/swim, I'm a little ahead of my program, I'd prefer let this silly injury fully heal instead of cutting my runs short all the time, I'm afraid it will turn into something more serious :(

    I'll have to take a rain-check on meeting everyone :(

    +1 to the suggestions to go to the physio. From what you write it's not impossible that what you describe is back/disc related. Or of course something else. But it could even be that the x-training is not the best thing. Not trying to scare you, but at least (you'd hope ;) ) a physio could tell you what it is and suggest the way forward.


  • #2585
    Wubble Wubble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Back in the game after having to cancel last week's LSR due to illness.

    Tue 9/8 - 4 miles @ 8:35 p/m. Not much to report here, except I had a lot more bounce in my step than last week's misguided run around the same loop.

    Wed 10/8 - Club session.

    The main part of this was 5 x 800 with 2:30 recoveries. Of course, the most important thing was to be consistent. Didn't really manage it though. Two weeks ago, we did four of these. On the fifth I was really gasping; to be honest I went out a bit quick on all of them.

    1 - 3:12
    2 - 3:11
    3 - 3:10
    4 - 3:10
    5 - 3:14

    This follows on from my 3:19, 3:11, 3:08 and 3:10 in July. 20 mins warming up and 22:45 recovery, with another mile added for travelling to and from the house, brought it to well over 9 miles this evening. Some tough spots along the way, but I finished it out, and am available for selection for Saturday's boards meet, unless something else goes wrong!


  • #2586
    Battery Kinzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Battery Kinzie


    kittyclaws wrote: »
    I've just sent an email to my Physio so will hopefully get an appointment in the next day or two :)
    It's so odd, it's not sore but it just goes numb as soon as I start running. It's probably just a slight muscle strain, I'll get it checked before it turns into something worse.

    I had a similar feeling in my calf a while back. Kinda numb, and my lower leg just generally felt dead. I ran on it a bit more, and then it became more localised to a specific part of my calf and the pain became more intense. Took a few days off and it didn't really get better, so went to the physio and was back running two days after. I'm sure you'll be fine, but the physio is definitely a good idea.


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  • #2587
    Singer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    So, on last year's novice's thread, the reigning DCM champion Eliud Too showed up to give some advice. It turns out that the advice doesn't go stale, so check out this video:
    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=487704671379204&set=vb.479074745575530&type=2&theater

    For those interested in Eliud, here's a completely amazing thread with the details about his training plan before winning DCM 2014:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057321587

    Last year he only finished 4th, however he did show up to McGrattan's afterwards to say hello (I am not making this up).


  • #2588
    diego_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Singer wrote: »
    So, on last year's novice's thread, the reigning DCM champion Eliud Too showed up to give some advice. It turns out that the advice doesn't go stale, so check out this video:
    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=487704671379204&set=vb.479074745575530&type=2&theater

    For those interested in Eliud, here's a completely amazing thread with the details about his training plan before winning DCM 2014:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057321587

    Last year he only finished 4th, however he did show up to McGrattan's afterwards to say hello (I am not making this up).

    Yup and he was so nice as well, I was kinda star struck meeting a marathon winner....got a good picture with him. He was more than happy to chat away with everyone too, just a good guy and wish him the best.


  • #2589
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    diego_b wrote: »
    .got a good picture with him. .

    :D me too, thanks for reminding us of that epic memory singer!


  • #2590
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,652 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    FD 10 mile number has arrived. :cool:

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



  • #2591
    woody1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭woody1


    ok so 6 weeks all done more or less at the correct pace with no races like a good little boy
    question is i have a race this weekend, the knocknarea loop , which is a 13k hilly loop, im scheduled to run 23k easy, im wondering what the difference between 13k hard-ish and 23k easy is,
    i figure 5k on top of the 13k race is enough, wondering what peoples thoughts are


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  • #2592
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,361 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You are training your body to run a particular way and to burn energy a particular way.

    Racing, running fast and pushing hard is a different type of running and burns energy in a different way. Its not about the distance, its about what you are asking your body to do, and racing in the middle of marathon training seems very counterproductive.

    For a tortured metaphor, marathon training is like trying to put tyres with loads of grip on a rally car. Then one weekend you take it to a track and blast around for ten laps at top speed. Your car will do the ten laps no problem but you just burned all the rubber of your tyres, that will hurt you when the Rally comes around.

    **Disclaimer: I'm an amateur and could well be wrong!


  • #2593
    woody1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭woody1


    no your not wrong, im aware of that,
    at the same time i dont think one race ( ok maybe 2 ) is going to cause that much trouble,
    in terms of motivation i think an occasional blow out is probably no harm, i have this one, one more in 2 weeks time and then the 3/4 marathon which is effectively just a long run.


  • #2594
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Hey woody1 - glad to hear training is going well.

    As for racing as part of the training, you know the official party line, and bucketybuck has summarized (some of) the reasons for it - thanks!

    You may well run an amazing hard 13k race, and find yourself overly tired and unmotivated the week after (or injured) and thus do damage to your longer terms goals.

    If you want to go ahead, it's your call. In that case, run the additional mileage first before the race.


  • #2595
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Singer wrote: »
    So, on last year's novice's thread, the reigning DCM champion Eliud Too showed up to give some advice. It turns out that the advice doesn't go stale, so check out this video:
    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=487704671379204&set=vb.479074745575530&type=2&theater

    For those interested in Eliud, here's a completely amazing thread with the details about his training plan before winning DCM 2014:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057321587

    Last year he only finished 4th, however he did show up to McGrattan's afterwards to say hello (I am not making this up).

    Thanks Singer - that brings the memories flooding straight back!


  • #2596
    All or nothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭All or nothing


    Singer wrote: »
    So, on last year's novice's thread, the reigning DCM champion Eliud Too showed up to give some advice. It turns out that the advice doesn't go stale, so check out this video:
    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=487704671379204&set=vb.479074745575530&type=2&theater

    For those interested in Eliud, here's a completely amazing thread with the details about his training plan before winning DCM 2014:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057321587

    Last year he only finished 4th, however he did show up to McGrattan's afterwards to say hello (I am not making this up).

    Thanks for that Singer. That's a really interesting thread that gives a great insight into his training.

    What is the test they talk about doing to get your training zones? Blood lactate test? I've never trained by heart rate (as I don't have a heart rate monitor) but I'm going to look into it after DCM. I see the Muppet is doing all his runs by heart rate and is having good success with it.

    I find myself getting carried away a bit on the pace runs. Last nights one turned into more of a progression run where my pace increased with each mile and finished closer to HM pace than M pace.


  • #2597
    kin9pin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    Another announcement due re DCM according to their Facebook page.


  • #2598
    kin9pin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    nop98 wrote: »
    Hey woody1 - glad to hear training is going well.

    As for racing as part of the training, you know the official party line, and bucketybuck has summarized (some of) the reasons for it - thanks!

    You may well run an amazing hard 13k race, and find yourself overly tired and unmotivated the week after (or injured) and thus do damage to your longer terms goals.

    If you want to go ahead, it's your call. In that case, run the additional mileage first before the race.

    Brings me nicely to the FD 10m (and then DCHM). What should we be doing in these races? Run at PMP, easy, half and half, or go for a PB?


  • #2599
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Apparently there will be another announcement on facebook today

    oops kingpin got in before me :)


  • #2600
    jameshayes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    Why are they announcing they are making an announcement - fuppin annoying.

    Hey everyone, I just want to let you know I will be posting to boards later on today.


  • #2601
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    jameshayes wrote: »
    Why are they announcing they are making an announcement - fuppin annoying.

    Hey everyone, I just want to let you know I will be posting to boards later on today.

    I guess they're giving everyone an opportunity to keep an eye out, I'd be surprised if it wasn't more places, otherwise why bother.


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  • #2602
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Firedance wrote: »
    I guess they're giving everyone an opportunity to keep an eye out, I'd be surprised if it wasn't more places, otherwise why bother.


    My Guess is they are officially announcing this years Novice line up. :)


  • #2603
    jameshayes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    I didn't notice until today; I've completed half my prescribed training runs. #overthehump!


    just need to get to half the KM's and I'll be happy!

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  • #2604
    donglen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭donglen


    diego_b wrote: »
    Have all the novices signed up for this year?

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/athletics/runners-warned-that-entry-levels-for-2016-dublin-marathon-are-close-to-capacity-34951343.html

    Please don't hold off anymore as you will likely miss out.

    Well feck it anyway, I was off-line for a few days and missed all these warnings. I had read at the weekend that they'd close earlier than last year but the feeling was that there'd be a few weeks yet. I don't think I signed up last year until mid-September.
    A bit deflated now.......


  • #2605
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    donglen wrote: »
    Well feck it anyway, I was off-line for a few days and missed all these warnings. I had read at the weekend that they'd close earlier than last year but the feeling was that there'd be a few weeks yet. I don't think I signed up last year until mid-September.
    A bit deflated now.......

    Keep a close eye on their facebook page today, when I say close eye I mean glue yourself to the page!!


  • #2606
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Update here


  • #2607
    tailgunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭tailgunner


    Random question. I'm signed up for a half marathon this weekend, which I was planning on doing instead of the 14 mile long run on my plan, but I can't make the race now.

    There's another half marathon I could do the following weekend, which would still be 5 weeks out for me, so I'd be looking to race it fairly hard if I were to sign up.

    The thing is, I'd have to sacrifice a 20 mile long run that weekend, and assuming I took a recovery week after the race, that would leave me with only one week of normal training before the taper.

    That sounds too disruptive to me, so I've decided to carry on with the plan as is, and not do any racing. Is that the right decision?

    For reference, I did one 20 mile run last Saturday and will do another one 3 weeks out from Berlin, regardless of the half marathon. It's just a question of whether a third 20 mile run would serve me better.


  • #2608
    jameshayes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    This could be one of those things that I think everyone knows but not many do;

    do you all know that you can get (almost) free strava premium through NewBalance (mynb its called)? If you set up a mynb account and link your strava to it you will get 25 points for each run then you can trade the points for premium memberships.. it takes a while to build the points but during marathon season it should be no problem for most of you! More info here: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/218544808-New-Balance-Strava


  • #2609
    donglen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭donglen


    So it looks like I'm bowing out of 2016 due to stupidly missing the cut-off. I was caught out by the early close date but no excuses, totally down to me. Hopefully there's no other casualties. I can at least console myself having completed it as a novice last year but have always maintained I was still a novice.......as verified by missing the cut-off!!
    Anyways, I just want to wish everyone the very best of luck, it gets tough from here on in as the mileage increases and the legs get tired. Stick with it, it's worth the pain 10 times over.

    I plan to keep up with the training plan, I've already googled alternatives and see a few possible options.........you never forget your first though....so glad it was Dublin.


  • #2610
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    donglen wrote: »
    So it looks like I'm bowing out of 2016 due to stupidly missing the cut-off. I was caught out by the early close date but no excuses, totally down to me. Hopefully there's no other casualties. I can at least console myself having completed it as a novice last year but have always maintained I was still a novice.......as verified by missing the cut-off!!
    Anyways, I just want to wish everyone the very best of luck, it gets tough from here on in as the mileage increases and the legs get tired. Stick with it, it's worth the pain 10 times over.

    I plan to keep up with the training plan, I've already googled alternatives and see a few possible options.........you never forget your first though....so glad it was Dublin.

    No need to drop out of the thread because you are doing a different marathon surely?

    Which ones were you considering?


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  • #2611
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    tailgunner wrote: »
    Random question. I'm signed up for a half marathon this weekend, which I was planning on doing instead of the 14 mile long run on my plan, but I can't make the race now.

    There's another half marathon I could do the following weekend, which would still be 5 weeks out for me, so I'd be looking to race it fairly hard if I were to sign up.

    The thing is, I'd have to sacrifice a 20 mile long run that weekend, and assuming I took a recovery week after the race, that would leave me with only one week of normal training before the taper.

    That sounds too disruptive to me, so I've decided to carry on with the plan as is, and not do any racing. Is that the right decision?

    For reference, I did one 20 mile run last Saturday and will do another one 3 weeks out from Berlin, regardless of the half marathon. It's just a question of whether a third 20 mile run would serve me better.

    Hi,

    What plan are you following? Could you post it up?
    Don't forget that with a 2 mile warm up + 2 Mile cool down will bring you to over 17 for the day and that is pretty close to most long runs anyway.


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