(GSA) Genetic Sexual Attraction

failinis · 10-08-2016 07:53PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Even though I am not of the same view on gay pride I agree that there will be a-completely unrelated - push to 'normalize ' paedophilia , unfortunately .I have already seen online discussions leaning that way on an acquaintance's facebook page, and on a thread about a recent book (I think it was ''next to the bang'' or something like that .

People can be very strange.

Might be off topic but I feel there should be more of a normalisation of "If you have pedophilic, hebephilic or ephebophilic thoughts - and want to control these urges then XYZ society offers XYZ counselling/injections/interventions."

Which could also apply to if you feel incestious thoughts, again, there is support out there.

So people know that there IS an alternative and there is help where some trained professionals will not judge them.

All preferably as preventive action before any child (or adult in the incest case) gets hurt.

Once a crime is committed then off to hell to prison.

unfortunately · 10-08-2016 07:56PM

Joeytheparrot wrote:

No they cant. It's illegal in this case.

Well if you are going to be a pedant; the can actually do what they want. The can do it even if it's illegal. But they should be able to do it if they are consenting adults. Potential genetic consequences don't come into it unless people with conditions are prevented too or indeed everyone gets screened before reproducing - and that's a bit too eugenic for my liking.

ScumLord · 10-08-2016 07:59PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Even though I am not of the same view on gay pride I agree that there will be a-completely unrelated - push to 'normalize ' paedophilia , unfortunately

It will never happen. Even incest doesn't come close to the distaste for peadophilia.

Paedophilia is an abuse of someone that doesn't know any better. It's a con, a predatory action. It bares no resemblance to two adults having a relationship. It's always wrong and there can be no justification for it.

conorhal · 10-08-2016 08:24PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It will never happen. Even incest doesn't come close to the distaste for peadophilia.

Paedophilia is an abuse of someone that doesn't know any better. It's a con, a predatory action. It bares no resemblance to two adults having a relationship. It's always wrong and there can be no justification for it.

And yet you have the likes of the Swedish Liberal party's youth wing pressing for legalization of not just incest but necrophilia:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/incest-and-necrophilia-should-be-legal-youth-swedish-liberal-peoples-party-a6891476.html
They are a product of the new cultural narcissism infecting western liberalism that is frankly sociopathic.

Just because you can do something, it doesn't follow that you should. Incest is unhealthy for a society. Inbreeding is in general has a long tradition of cultural acceptability in parts of the world from ancient Egypt to modern Pakistan, all largely for the purpose pf keeping wealth or power within a family grouping. In Pakistan first cousin marriage is common and it has lead to serious health problems at a national level:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html
Paedophillia and child brides haave also been acceptable for the same reasons as well as other cultural ones. It is only abhorrent because of cultural taboos which some don't share. These frankly need to be maintained.

10-08-2016 08:24PM

Shint0 wrote: »

Even on an intellectual level would a birth mother and child in that scenario not be able to make that rationalisation which would act to offset any sexual or physical attraction where they just wouldn't even countenance it in the first place.

I had a slight experience of this with a male second cousin. We wouldn't have had too much contact growing up but our parents who are first cousins would always have been quite close and used sometimes visit each others homes as children or meet in other relatives' home from time to time as kids.

When I was about nine or ten years old and he was about thirteen we were playing chase and he grabbed me quite tightly, wouldn't let me go and tried to kiss me. This would have been in the mid to late 80s and I wouldn't have been sexualised in any way at all by that age or even much knowledge of sexual or romantic activity but I knew it made me feel very uncomfortable. I didn't tell anybody as the families were close.

I didn't see him much until years later he invited me to his debs. I went along obliging him as a relative as I thought. He tried it on with me afterwards and got quite annoyed when I refused and I felt pretty disgusted actually. Again I didn't tell anybody.

I never saw him again for years until a family funeral last year and I hadn't even thought about it or him for years but straightaway when he came over to me at the funeral the memory triggered for me. There was definitely a coolness there between us and I could feel the tension, and didn't engage with him much.

I commented to his sibling about how he never got married and they said 'oh that's because he could never find the right woman; no one is ever good enough or right for him', which slighlty left me wondering had he harboured feelings for me over the years as he never seemed to have any girlfriends. It didn't scar me but in terms of the theory on shared similarities both of us would have predominant physical features from that same side of the family.

A second cousin?
Sure that's like not being related at all.
Should've gone for it...

Widdershins · 10-08-2016 08:54PM

failinis wrote: »

Might be off topic but I feel there should be more of a normalisation of "If you have pedophilic, hebephilic or ephebophilic thoughts - and want to control these urges then XYZ society offers XYZ counselling/injections/interventions."

Which could also apply to if you feel incestious thoughts, again, there is support out there.

So people know that there IS an alternative and there is help where some trained professionals will not judge them.

All preferably as preventive action before any child (or adult in the incest case) gets hurt.

Once a crime is committed then off to hell to prison.

Yes I have no issue with that although I have no idea if therapy works in that situation .

That isn't what I am talking about with reference to the conversations I have read .

Widdershins · 10-08-2016 08:56PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It will never happen. Even incest doesn't come close to the distaste for peadophilia.

Paedophilia is an abuse of someone that doesn't know any better. It's a con, a predatory action. It bares no resemblance to two adults having a relationship. It's always wrong and there can be no justification for it.

I wasn't for a moment comparing the two.

failinis · 10-08-2016 09:00PM

Widdershins wrote: »

failinis wrote: »

Might be off topic but I feel there should be more of a normalisation of "If you have pedophilic, hebephilic or ephebophilic thoughts - and want to control these urges then XYZ society offers XYZ counselling/injections/interventions."

Which could also apply to if you feel incestious thoughts, again, there is support out there.

So people know that there IS an alternative and there is help where some trained professionals will not judge them.

All preferably as preventive action before any child (or adult in the incest case) gets hurt.

Once a crime is committed then off to hell to prison.

Yes I have no issue with that although I have no idea if therapy works in that situation .

That isn't what I am talking about with reference to the conversations I have read .

I am not sure therapy or injections and other medical options I read about fully work (and sorry but I am not going to spend my night googling this).
But its surely better to offer help before abuse happens.

And yes those parties asking for it to be essentially leaglised are disgusting.

Shint0 · 10-08-2016 09:01PM

bubblypop wrote: »

A second cousin?
Sure that's like not being related at all.
Should've gone for it...

To me he was family and that's what made all the difference. We have a very small immediate family with not many relations so in some ways growing up I could see him as almost being like a brother when he would come visit and his parent and my parent were very close.

So it caught me really by surprise and made me feel very uncomfortable that a relative was harbouring sexual thoughts about me and tried to act on them. Maybe there are some posters here who have entered into such relationships but for me that's a line I just couldn't cross.

Widdershins · 10-08-2016 09:04PM

failinis wrote: »

I am not sure therapy or injections and other medical options I read about fully work (and sorry but I am not going to spend my night googling this).
But its surely better to offer help before abuse happens.

And yes those parties asking for it to be essentially leaglised are disgusting.

Certainly it is worth offering /advising whatever help is there.

Renegade Mechanic · 10-08-2016 09:10PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It will never happen. Even incest doesn't come close to the distaste for peadophilia.

Paedophilia is an abuse of someone that doesn't know any better. It's a con, a predatory action. It bares no resemblance to two adults having a relationship. It's always wrong and there can be no justification for it.

I hope you're right myself, but I see minor little "pokes" here or there, relative to Widdershins push that he mentions. For example I've seen people here say they take news from sites like Salon.

Exhibit A.
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/

It's already a minor exposure in my eyes.

Widdershins · 10-08-2016 09:30PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

I hope you're right myself, but I see minor little "pokes" here or there, relative to Widdershins push that he mentions. For example I've seen people here say they take news from sites like Salon.

Exhibit A.
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/

It's already a minor exposure in my eyes.

I'm liberal but there's such a thing as *too* liberal

Widdershins is a She btw:D

beach_walker · 10-08-2016 09:39PM

Add 'em to the QUILTBAG++. Probably near the end.

Outlaw Pete · 10-08-2016 11:00PM

Mate of mine married a Spanish girl back in the late 90's and once when he was home visiting he said the one thing that shocked him about Spain was how much consensual incest there was between adults. He said it was off the charts and wasn't in the least taboo nor frowned upon, from what he seen at least. Said he was often introduced to couples and weeks later nonchalantly then told 'Oh yeah, they're brother and sister'. Maybe he was just in a crazy part of Spain but then there was this case of a Spanish father and daughter from earlier on in the year.

It's legal there though, as also is it in France and Portugal, so maybe the couple in the OP should just move. Doubt it's a crime they would be chased for.

Incidentally, in Ireland homosexual incest is not illegal, just heterosexual (but Grandmother / Grandson is grand apparently).

Wigglepuppy · 10-08-2016 11:22PM

Very unsettling story (he's too young to fully appreciate the ramifications - will he really feel the same in ten years? Still lots of growing as a person left) and unfair on her other children. But people genuinely think child abuse will be normalised just because of normalisation of relations between consenting adults? And I don't include incest because that is illegal.

Recognising paedophiles who don't actually abuse are not necessarily evil people - well the emphasis is on the fact that they don't abuse, they experience the thoughts but those aren't voluntary.

Widdershins · 10-08-2016 11:26PM

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

People genuinely think child abuse will be normalised just because of normalisation of relations between consenting adults? And I don't include incest because that is illegal.

I think there will be people being more vocal about their belief that a mindset that says it's ''just another form of sexuality ''..because I have seen bit of it already .

I doubt it will ever be normalized as it isn't normal no matter what spin anyone puts on it.

Nothing to do with the modernised outlook on homosexuality though .

I don't know about the last bit , wiggle puppy.. they might be very nice people in every other way but what they think about is evil in my opinion.

Irish Guitarist · 10-08-2016 11:27PM

Was it really necessary for the article to include that last photo of them? Jesus.

I thinks she's a lot more sick and twisted than he is. He's confused because he grew up without a mother and doesn't seem to realise that "going out of her way to make him happy" is what she's supposed to do. She on the other hand remembers carrying him inside her for nine months and giving birth to him. Now she's prepared to have her other kids taken from her so she can keep having sex with him. Sick bitch.

Shint0 · 10-08-2016 11:31PM

It says she was 17 in that article when she became pregnant and age of consent is 16 but it doesn't say what age the relationship began at first. So clearly there is room for a predatory father to manipulate a child into a non-consensual relationship before reaching the age of consent while claiming it is legitimate. A lot of boundaries being blurred there I would suspect.

seamus · 11-08-2016 07:58AM

failinis wrote: »

Yes they do at times? Especially recessive illness?

Sorry, I did forget to include the word "always" in that sentence.

But say in the rare cases of this GSA stuff, to have children, then they should really at least check if they are carriers of an illness.

I've no disagreement here. It's not a reason though for incest to be illegal. Otherwise logically we would have to ban a whole raft of other people from procreating, on genetic grounds.

failinis · 11-08-2016 09:23AM

seamus wrote: »

failinis wrote: »

Yes they do at times? Especially recessive illness?

Sorry, I did forget to include the word "always" in that sentence.

But say in the rare cases of this GSA stuff, to have children, then they should really at least check if they are carriers of an illness.

I've no disagreement here. It's not a reason though for incest to be illegal. Otherwise logically we would have to ban a whole raft of other people from procreating, on genetic grounds.

I am not saying if GSA people wanted to have kids and they are tested and have something that they should not have kids.
They should weigh up how bad the illness is and if they wish to care for that child. But due to closeness should always check.
The same as most non GSA couples who are aware they carry something.

I have changed my mind in the thread from earlier.
At the start I thought that people who were separated since birth (adopted out) and met when a lot older - if they wanted to have a non reproductive relationship then thats fine.
But reading more articles - and reading the father-daughter one (as they were not seperated and reunited 30yrs later) that no these people need support. They are misreading the type of love they feel and may cause more damage.
So yeah I can see how and why people do this but ..no they should be able to get help.

seamus · 11-08-2016 12:18PM

failinis wrote: »

But reading more articles - and reading the father-daughter one (as they were not seperated and reunited 30yrs later) that no these people need support. They are misreading the type of love they feel and may cause more damage.

Yeah, it's definitely concerning, especially when you hear the father talk about, "we always had a different kind of relationship". That's just all kinds of messed up.

In real terms though making incest illegal is never going to prevent someone from grooming a child into such a relationship if that's the person they are.

There isn't a plethora of people out there dying to either shack up with a sibling or marry their child/parent but are being prevented from doing so because it's illegal.

On the other hand there are a small number of cases where nobody is coming to any harm, but the law is deciding to punish them anyway.

hatrickpatrick · 11-08-2016 12:25PM

Nothing, and I mean nothing between consenting adults should be illegal. It's not about the specific action - incest, drug use, prostitution etc - it's about bodily autonomy. The state should not have any right whatsoever to infringe upon the bodily autonomy of individuals.

screamer · 11-08-2016 12:35PM

What a messed up world we live in and looks like it'll just get worse and sicker.

Wigglepuppy · 11-08-2016 10:54PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I think there will be people being more vocal about their belief that a mindset that says it's ''just another form of sexuality ''..because I have seen bit of it already .

I doubt it will ever be normalized as it isn't normal no matter what spin anyone puts on it.

Nothing to do with the modernised outlook on homosexuality though .

I don't know about the last bit , wiggle puppy.. they might be very nice people in every other way but what they think about is evil in my opinion.

Oh for sure, what they think of is hideous of course, but I don't know that simply saying involuntary thoughts are not a crime/same-sex marriage being introduced, could lead to an acceptance of actual child abuse in the future. I think that is a pretty bizarre leap by those who claim it. Child abuse is never going to be considered ok. There has never been such contempt for it as there is today (to the point that men in the most innocuous situations around children can be viewed with suspicion - and that isn't right either).

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Nothing, and I mean nothing between consenting adults should be illegal. It's not about the specific action - incest, drug use, prostitution etc - it's about bodily autonomy. The state should not have any right whatsoever to infringe upon the bodily autonomy of individuals.

Too much grey area when it comes to incest and (ab)use of drugs like heroin and meth and crack (leading to a person becoming an addict and devastating their lives) - I don't think these always go hand in hand with informed consent. They can come from horrific places.

RobertKK · 11-08-2016 11:13PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this is rampant in Kilkenny going on rumours

Sending this to Brian Cody, you will pay for this on Saturday.

Poor Uncle Tom · 11-08-2016 11:18PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Sending this to Brian Cody, you will pay for this on Saturday.

At least ye won't have too far to look for comfort when ye lose on Saturday......:p

Your Face · 11-08-2016 11:30PM

That's sick.

RobertKK · 11-08-2016 11:30PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

At least ye won't have too far to look for comfort when ye lose on Saturday......:p

Sorry but I feel Waterford climaxed last Sunday.

tomwaterford · 12-08-2016 12:16AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Sorry but I feel Waterford climaxed last Sunday.

Hehehehehehehe. .....

anitaca · 12-08-2016 11:38AM

Widdershins wrote: »

I think there will be people being more vocal about their belief that a mindset that says it's ''just another form of sexuality ''..because I have seen bit of it already .

I doubt it will ever be normalized as it isn't normal no matter what spin anyone puts on it.

Nothing to do with the modernised outlook on homosexuality though .

I don't know about the last bit , wiggle puppy.. they might be very nice people in every other way but what they think about is evil in my opinion.

"being more vocal" i would have thought that was a good thing. you now know who thinks like that and can try to change their belief. you now know to never trust them with your children

(GSA) Genetic Sexual Attraction

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