(GSA) Genetic Sexual Attraction

mdwexford

This is a new nonsense term for me today.

Is this the next thing that will become non pc to give out about and in 10 years people will be campaigning for GSA rights or will this always be looked upon as disgusting and illegal in most places?

http://www.unilad.co.uk/life/mother-and-son-prepared-to-risk-jail-to-stay-in-sexual-relationship/

failinis

If you grow up with people (siblings/parents) then you grow to be disgusted by the idea of sexual relations with them.
I assume to stop inbreeding and spreading genetic illness.
However if you grow up seperate then I could see why some people can skip that and have attraction.
Still disgusting - but there are reasons behind it.

Edit:

The Westermarck effect, or reverse sexual imprinting, is a hypothetical psychological effect through which people who live in close domestic proximity during the first few years of their lives become desensitized to sexual attraction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect
(It is only a hypothetical idea)

Kin recognition, also called kin detection, refers to an organism's potential ability to distinguish between close genetic kin and non-kin. In evolutionary biology and in psychology, such capabilities are presumed to have evolved to serve the adaptive function of inbreeding avoidance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_recognition

Smondie

It used to be called incest in my day.

The fancy name makes it more hip and acceptable.

Parachutes

Mad.

saintsaltynuts

Now this is sick.Don't care.

Shint0

I believe that type of genetic attraction is more common compared to relatives who actually knew each other growing up from birth, where cousins, for example, who might have met for the first time as teenagers or adults are attracted to each other. Seems to be based on the recognition of shared similarities. Never heard of it with a parent and child before so that's a new one.

Birneybau

It's an actual scientific term, not snowflake bullsh!t.

ScumLord

She's prepared to abandon her current family for this new love too. I think there's a type of person that does that. They tend to have a lot of kids because they keep falling for dickheads who split once the first kid comes along and they repeat that cycle their entire lifes.. There seems to be no sense in this woman, she's caught up in a teenage romance and has abandoned common sense.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Shint0 wrote: »

I believe that type of genetic attraction is more common compared to relatives who actually knew each other growing up from birth, where cousins, for example, who might have met for the first time as teenagers or adults are attracted to each other. Seems to be based on the recognition of shared similarities. Never heard of it with a parent and child before so that's a new one.

You'd actually hear of it happening a fair bit (I'm basing this mostly off waiting room magazines and daytime TV though). And not just cousins, close relatives like child/parent and brother/sister

I guess it makes sense in an icky kind of way. Most people will end up with a partner who's physically pretty similar to them, same ethnicity, same general level of attractiveness and so on. And when I'm at family gatherings I'm often struck by the little similarities between people and across generations, just the gestures they make, speech patterns, facial expressions. I've never felt the urge to go over and shift me uncle because of it, but it is oddly comforting, like 'I'm home with these people, I belong here'. For someone who was adopted and experienced that for the first time as an adult, that feeling can probably get confused as "I'm feeling something for this person I've never felt before, it's very attractive", and the incest-taboo isn't there on anything but an intellectual level.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Fun for all the family. Disgusting

unfortunately

Two consenting adults can do what they want.

ScumLord

Birneybau wrote: »

It's an actual scientific term, not snowflake bullsh!t.

It's like being proud of the fact you've got diabetes.

failinis

unfortunately wrote: »

Two consenting adults can do what they want.

*Except reproduce without checking for illness. And if they are of age. I don't even know what I think.

sammyjo90

unfortunately wrote: »

Two consenting adults can do what they want.

Clearly not because they are facing incest charges.

seamus

sammyjo90 wrote: »

Clearly not because they are facing incest charges.

Yeah but I guess the question is whether it should be illegal.

It's nothing to do with genetics because there are many people guaranteed to produce sick children who aren't legally prevented from reproducing. Incestual relationships don't even produce sick children, it takes several generations.

Protecting children from being groomed, perhaps. But the law doesn't seem to have been at all effective at that. So it's not a strong argument.

Because it's gross? Not a good enough reason to make something illegal.

PARlance

Smondie wrote: »

It used to be called incest in my day.

The fancy name makes it more hip and acceptable.

I'm dyslexic and find the whole thing GAS.

tomwaterford

I'm pretty sure this is rampant in Kilkenny going on rumours

Shint0

Joy Swift Spa wrote: »

For someone who was adopted and experienced that for the first time as an adult, that feeling can probably get confused as "I'm feeling something for this person I've never felt before, it's very attractive", and the incest-taboo isn't there on anything but an intellectual level.

Even on an intellectual level would a birth mother and child in that scenario not be able to make that rationalisation which would act to offset any sexual or physical attraction where they just wouldn't even countenance it in the first place.

I had a slight experience of this with a male second cousin. We wouldn't have had too much contact growing up but our parents who are first cousins would always have been quite close and used sometimes visit each others homes as children or meet in other relatives' home from time to time as kids.

When I was about nine or ten years old and he was about thirteen we were playing chase and he grabbed me quite tightly, wouldn't let me go and tried to kiss me. This would have been in the mid to late 80s and I wouldn't have been sexualised in any way at all by that age or even much knowledge of sexual or romantic activity but I knew it made me feel very uncomfortable. I didn't tell anybody as the families were close.

I didn't see him much until years later he invited me to his debs. I went along obliging him as a relative as I thought. He tried it on with me afterwards and got quite annoyed when I refused and I felt pretty disgusted actually. Again I didn't tell anybody.

I never saw him again for years until a family funeral last year and I hadn't even thought about it or him for years but straightaway when he came over to me at the funeral the memory triggered for me. There was definitely a coolness there between us and I could feel the tension, and didn't engage with him much.

I commented to his sibling about how he never got married and they said 'oh that's because he could never find the right woman; no one is ever good enough or right for him', which slighlty left me wondering had he harboured feelings for me over the years as he never seemed to have any girlfriends. It didn't scar me but in terms of the theory on shared similarities both of us would have predominant physical features from that same side of the family.

Renegade Mechanic

Call me crazy but, while I was "disgusting and oppressive" for wanting nothing to do with a pride parade, I promise you all that at this rate, we will all be the "disgusting oppressors" in time, for being against what is today called paedophilia, but will tomorrow be called something less stigmatic...

Best get ready to make peace with that. All well and good being "with the times" and 'progressive' but you'll want to put on the brakes eventually - Because it never stops, it only gets worse - and the second you do, you'll learn what it's like to have a brain and a lick of common sense. You'll be hated for it

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Shint0 wrote: »

Even on an intellectual level would a birth mother and child in that scenario not be able to make that rationalisation which would act to offset any sexual or physical attraction where they just wouldn't even countenance it in the first place.

Well I mean one would think so, but obviously it's not always the case. Depending on what kind of person someone is and the circumstances, a strong sexual attraction can override all sorts of reasons why they rationally know that this is a bad idea with potentially terrible fall-out, this is just a particularly extreme one.

Honestly I can't really see the harm where it's siblings or cousins of a similar age, much as it makes me queasy. A parent/child relationship just seems like there's a huge potential for abuse though, it's far too imbalanced.

Shint0

Joy Swift Spa wrote: »

Well I mean one would think so, but obviously it's not always the case. Depending on what kind of person someone is and the circumstances, a strong sexual attraction can override all sorts of reasons why they rationally know that this is a bad idea with potentially terrible fall-out, this is just a particularly extreme one.

Honestly I can't really see the harm where it's siblings or cousins of a similar age, much as it makes me queasy. A parent/child relationship just seems like there's a huge potential for abuse though, it's far too imbalanced.

Surely though people are able to exercise some degree of self-control or detachment as they would in other situations in their lives.

For me if I found myself attracted to someone and if I sensed or actually discovered they are in a happy, secure, stable relationship, that's where the attraction would end for me. I just wouldn't go there. There are some things that are just off-limits and someone being happily attached would be a passion killer for me.

I hear what you're saying about attraction between cousins and it used to be quite common years ago for cousins to marry, and is acceptable practice among Muslims but just not for me. It's just a bit too close to home but I do remember seeing in the PI forum here a few times this exact scenario and people looking for advice on how to proceed with the relationship and how tell their family. Not an easy one for sure.

Smondie

PARlance wrote: »

I'm dyslexic and find the whole thing GAS.

Wrong hole

Annasopra

unfortunately wrote: »

Two consenting adults can do what they want.

No they cant. It's illegal in this case.

This is worse than the time Floyd and his sister Heather did the nasty on Fair City.

Thankfully Eunice didn't live to see any of that terrible business.

Poor Uncle Tom

tomwaterford wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this is rampant in Kilkenny going on rumours

Rumours? all you have to do is look across the river to see it.....:p

Renegade Mechanic

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This is worse than the time Floyd and his sister Heather did the nasty on Fair City.

Thankfully Eunice didn't live to see any of that terrible business.

Jaysus.. Fair Shítty has changed since I last seen an episode, grinning and bearing the torture as a wee lad because it was the easiest way to a plate of granny's custard creams..

failinis

seamus wrote: »

Incestual relationships don't even produce sick children, it takes several generations.

Yes they do at times? Especially recessive illness?

If we are being hypothetical in saying GSA becomes accepted for this.

Yes of course loads of non related people still have kids when its a 50% chance or 25% chance of passing on an illness.
But say in the rare cases of this GSA stuff, to have children, then they should really at least check if they are carriers of an illness.
If so weigh up depending on the severity if they wish to go ahead.

It is not same as couples who are aware of a risk of genetic illness - knowing you are related will raise the risk very highly, you would be aware that it is something that needs investigating.

In cases of recessive illnesses - the fact you are related (could both be unaffected carriers) is a high risk that needs to be discussed between the two people.

Teyla Emmagan

I think GSA is fascinating. It's like the ultimate form of narcissism - I've finally found someone who looks so like me that this will be the closest thing I ever get to f&cking MYSELF! Yay!

On the other hand it's someone confused who meets someone else that they feel they should have a very close and personal relationship with and they escalate it to the ultimate degree by having a sexual relationship with them. Because they can't think of any other way of getting closer to them.

Those of us who grew up to find our relatives sexually revolting of course are very lucky in comparison. It's all fun and games until someone gets knocked up and then you're in six-toed Sawney Bean territory in a matter of moments.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Shint0 wrote: »

Surely though people are able to exercise some degree of self-control or detachment as they would in other situations in their lives.

For me if I found myself attracted to someone and if I sensed or actually discovered they are in a happy, secure, stable relationship, that's where the attraction would end for me. I just wouldn't go there. There are some things that are just off-limits and someone being happily attached would be a passion killer for me.

Well I'd be the same, but some people just aren't minded to do that. There are families and relationships and careers ruined regularly because of people having sex they knew well they shouldn't be having, now "this is my mother" is a bit more of an extreme deterrent than "this is my boss" but still.

If I found out tomorrow that my dad wasn't my biological father, there's no way I'd be able to start thinking of him as just some man, or if I found out one of my siblings was adopted (fat chance), there's no way I could start thinking of them as not my siblings and viable sexual prospects. Logically, no reason why it'd be different than getting together with a childhood friend but ew Jesus no. My point is that the incest taboo in relation to those specific individuals is something I've lived my way into and can't think or rationalise my way out of, and if people are feeling a very strong attraction to and compatibility with someone I doubt it's a state of mind they could rationalise their way into. Combine that with a personality that's not great on impulse control and a corresponding attraction from the other party...I honestly don't even like looking at the pictures in the article, because I know it's a mother and son they're making my skin crawl, all I'm saying is I can see how it would happen. And it does seem to happen fairly often in these scenarios (meeting for the first time as adults).

intheclouds

I remember wandering into very strange porn once where there were male identical twins diddling each other.

Gay male incest porn, who knew?

Widdershins

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Call me crazy but, while I was "disgusting and oppressive" for wanting nothing to do with a pride parade, I promise you all that at this rate, we will all be the "disgusting oppressors" in time, for being against what is today called paedophilia, but will tomorrow be called something less stigmatic...

Best get ready to make peace with that. All well and good being "with the times" and 'progressive' but you'll want to put on the brakes eventually - Because it never stops, it only gets worse - and the second you do, you'll learn what it's like to have a brain and a lick of common sense. You'll be hated for it

Even though I am not of the same view on gay pride I agree that there will be a-completely unrelated - push to 'normalize ' paedophilia , unfortunately .I have already seen online discussions leaning that way on an acquaintance's facebook page, and on a thread about a recent book (I think it was ''next to the bang'' or something like that .

People can be very strange.

failinis

Widdershins wrote: »

Even though I am not of the same view on gay pride I agree that there will be a-completely unrelated - push to 'normalize ' paedophilia , unfortunately .I have already seen online discussions leaning that way on an acquaintance's facebook page, and on a thread about a recent book (I think it was ''next to the bang'' or something like that .

People can be very strange.

Might be off topic but I feel there should be more of a normalisation of "If you have pedophilic, hebephilic or ephebophilic thoughts - and want to control these urges then XYZ society offers XYZ counselling/injections/interventions."

Which could also apply to if you feel incestious thoughts, again, there is support out there.

So people know that there IS an alternative and there is help where some trained professionals will not judge them.

All preferably as preventive action before any child (or adult in the incest case) gets hurt.

Once a crime is committed then off to hell to prison.

unfortunately

Joeytheparrot wrote:

No they cant. It's illegal in this case.

Well if you are going to be a pedant; the can actually do what they want. The can do it even if it's illegal. But they should be able to do it if they are consenting adults. Potential genetic consequences don't come into it unless people with conditions are prevented too or indeed everyone gets screened before reproducing - and that's a bit too eugenic for my liking.

ScumLord

Widdershins wrote: »

Even though I am not of the same view on gay pride I agree that there will be a-completely unrelated - push to 'normalize ' paedophilia , unfortunately

It will never happen. Even incest doesn't come close to the distaste for peadophilia.

Paedophilia is an abuse of someone that doesn't know any better. It's a con, a predatory action. It bares no resemblance to two adults having a relationship. It's always wrong and there can be no justification for it.

conorhal

ScumLord wrote: »

It will never happen. Even incest doesn't come close to the distaste for peadophilia.

Paedophilia is an abuse of someone that doesn't know any better. It's a con, a predatory action. It bares no resemblance to two adults having a relationship. It's always wrong and there can be no justification for it.

And yet you have the likes of the Swedish Liberal party's youth wing pressing for legalization of not just incest but necrophilia:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/incest-and-necrophilia-should-be-legal-youth-swedish-liberal-peoples-party-a6891476.html
They are a product of the new cultural narcissism infecting western liberalism that is frankly sociopathic.

Just because you can do something, it doesn't follow that you should. Incest is unhealthy for a society. Inbreeding is in general has a long tradition of cultural acceptability in parts of the world from ancient Egypt to modern Pakistan, all largely for the purpose pf keeping wealth or power within a family grouping. In Pakistan first cousin marriage is common and it has lead to serious health problems at a national level:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html
Paedophillia and child brides haave also been acceptable for the same reasons as well as other cultural ones. It is only abhorrent because of cultural taboos which some don't share. These frankly need to be maintained.

Shint0

Shint0 wrote: »

Even on an intellectual level would a birth mother and child in that scenario not be able to make that rationalisation which would act to offset any sexual or physical attraction where they just wouldn't even countenance it in the first place.

I had a slight experience of this with a male second cousin. We wouldn't have had too much contact growing up but our parents who are first cousins would always have been quite close and used sometimes visit each others homes as children or meet in other relatives' home from time to time as kids.

When I was about nine or ten years old and he was about thirteen we were playing chase and he grabbed me quite tightly, wouldn't let me go and tried to kiss me. This would have been in the mid to late 80s and I wouldn't have been sexualised in any way at all by that age or even much knowledge of sexual or romantic activity but I knew it made me feel very uncomfortable. I didn't tell anybody as the families were close.

I didn't see him much until years later he invited me to his debs. I went along obliging him as a relative as I thought. He tried it on with me afterwards and got quite annoyed when I refused and I felt pretty disgusted actually. Again I didn't tell anybody.

I never saw him again for years until a family funeral last year and I hadn't even thought about it or him for years but straightaway when he came over to me at the funeral the memory triggered for me. There was definitely a coolness there between us and I could feel the tension, and didn't engage with him much.

I commented to his sibling about how he never got married and they said 'oh that's because he could never find the right woman; no one is ever good enough or right for him', which slighlty left me wondering had he harboured feelings for me over the years as he never seemed to have any girlfriends. It didn't scar me but in terms of the theory on shared similarities both of us would have predominant physical features from that same side of the family.

A second cousin?
Sure that's like not being related at all.
Should've gone for it...

Widdershins

failinis wrote: »

Might be off topic but I feel there should be more of a normalisation of "If you have pedophilic, hebephilic or ephebophilic thoughts - and want to control these urges then XYZ society offers XYZ counselling/injections/interventions."

Which could also apply to if you feel incestious thoughts, again, there is support out there.

So people know that there IS an alternative and there is help where some trained professionals will not judge them.

All preferably as preventive action before any child (or adult in the incest case) gets hurt.

Once a crime is committed then off to hell to prison.

Yes I have no issue with that although I have no idea if therapy works in that situation .

That isn't what I am talking about with reference to the conversations I have read .

Widdershins

ScumLord wrote: »

It will never happen. Even incest doesn't come close to the distaste for peadophilia.

Paedophilia is an abuse of someone that doesn't know any better. It's a con, a predatory action. It bares no resemblance to two adults having a relationship. It's always wrong and there can be no justification for it.

I wasn't for a moment comparing the two.

failinis

Widdershins wrote: »

failinis wrote: »

Might be off topic but I feel there should be more of a normalisation of "If you have pedophilic, hebephilic or ephebophilic thoughts - and want to control these urges then XYZ society offers XYZ counselling/injections/interventions."

Which could also apply to if you feel incestious thoughts, again, there is support out there.

So people know that there IS an alternative and there is help where some trained professionals will not judge them.

All preferably as preventive action before any child (or adult in the incest case) gets hurt.

Once a crime is committed then off to hell to prison.

Yes I have no issue with that although I have no idea if therapy works in that situation .

That isn't what I am talking about with reference to the conversations I have read .

I am not sure therapy or injections and other medical options I read about fully work (and sorry but I am not going to spend my night googling this).
But its surely better to offer help before abuse happens.

And yes those parties asking for it to be essentially leaglised are disgusting.

Shint0

bubblypop wrote: »

A second cousin?
Sure that's like not being related at all.
Should've gone for it...

To me he was family and that's what made all the difference. We have a very small immediate family with not many relations so in some ways growing up I could see him as almost being like a brother when he would come visit and his parent and my parent were very close.

So it caught me really by surprise and made me feel very uncomfortable that a relative was harbouring sexual thoughts about me and tried to act on them. Maybe there are some posters here who have entered into such relationships but for me that's a line I just couldn't cross.

Widdershins

failinis wrote: »

I am not sure therapy or injections and other medical options I read about fully work (and sorry but I am not going to spend my night googling this).
But its surely better to offer help before abuse happens.

And yes those parties asking for it to be essentially leaglised are disgusting.

Certainly it is worth offering /advising whatever help is there.

Renegade Mechanic

ScumLord wrote: »

It will never happen. Even incest doesn't come close to the distaste for peadophilia.

Paedophilia is an abuse of someone that doesn't know any better. It's a con, a predatory action. It bares no resemblance to two adults having a relationship. It's always wrong and there can be no justification for it.

I hope you're right myself, but I see minor little "pokes" here or there, relative to Widdershins push that he mentions. For example I've seen people here say they take news from sites like Salon.

Exhibit A.
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/

It's already a minor exposure in my eyes.

Widdershins

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

I hope you're right myself, but I see minor little "pokes" here or there, relative to Widdershins push that he mentions. For example I've seen people here say they take news from sites like Salon.

Exhibit A.
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/

It's already a minor exposure in my eyes.

I'm liberal but there's such a thing as *too* liberal

Widdershins is a She btw:D

beach_walker

Add 'em to the QUILTBAG++. Probably near the end.

Outlaw Pete

Mate of mine married a Spanish girl back in the late 90's and once when he was home visiting he said the one thing that shocked him about Spain was how much consensual incest there was between adults. He said it was off the charts and wasn't in the least taboo nor frowned upon, from what he seen at least. Said he was often introduced to couples and weeks later nonchalantly then told 'Oh yeah, they're brother and sister'. Maybe he was just in a crazy part of Spain but then there was this case of a Spanish father and daughter from earlier on in the year.

It's legal there though, as also is it in France and Portugal, so maybe the couple in the OP should just move. Doubt it's a crime they would be chased for.

Incidentally, in Ireland homosexual incest is not illegal, just heterosexual (but Grandmother / Grandson is grand apparently).

Wigglepuppy

Very unsettling story (he's too young to fully appreciate the ramifications - will he really feel the same in ten years? Still lots of growing as a person left) and unfair on her other children. But people genuinely think child abuse will be normalised just because of normalisation of relations between consenting adults? And I don't include incest because that is illegal.

Recognising paedophiles who don't actually abuse are not necessarily evil people - well the emphasis is on the fact that they don't abuse, they experience the thoughts but those aren't voluntary.

Widdershins

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

People genuinely think child abuse will be normalised just because of normalisation of relations between consenting adults? And I don't include incest because that is illegal.

I think there will be people being more vocal about their belief that a mindset that says it's ''just another form of sexuality ''..because I have seen bit of it already .

I doubt it will ever be normalized as it isn't normal no matter what spin anyone puts on it.

Nothing to do with the modernised outlook on homosexuality though .

I don't know about the last bit , wiggle puppy.. they might be very nice people in every other way but what they think about is evil in my opinion.

Irish Guitarist

Was it really necessary for the article to include that last photo of them? Jesus.

I thinks she's a lot more sick and twisted than he is. He's confused because he grew up without a mother and doesn't seem to realise that "going out of her way to make him happy" is what she's supposed to do. She on the other hand remembers carrying him inside her for nine months and giving birth to him. Now she's prepared to have her other kids taken from her so she can keep having sex with him. Sick bitch.

Shint0

It says she was 17 in that article when she became pregnant and age of consent is 16 but it doesn't say what age the relationship began at first. So clearly there is room for a predatory father to manipulate a child into a non-consensual relationship before reaching the age of consent while claiming it is legitimate. A lot of boundaries being blurred there I would suspect.

seamus

failinis wrote: »

Yes they do at times? Especially recessive illness?

Sorry, I did forget to include the word "always" in that sentence.

But say in the rare cases of this GSA stuff, to have children, then they should really at least check if they are carriers of an illness.

I've no disagreement here. It's not a reason though for incest to be illegal. Otherwise logically we would have to ban a whole raft of other people from procreating, on genetic grounds.

failinis

seamus wrote: »

failinis wrote: »

Yes they do at times? Especially recessive illness?

Sorry, I did forget to include the word "always" in that sentence.

But say in the rare cases of this GSA stuff, to have children, then they should really at least check if they are carriers of an illness.

I've no disagreement here. It's not a reason though for incest to be illegal. Otherwise logically we would have to ban a whole raft of other people from procreating, on genetic grounds.

I am not saying if GSA people wanted to have kids and they are tested and have something that they should not have kids.
They should weigh up how bad the illness is and if they wish to care for that child. But due to closeness should always check.
The same as most non GSA couples who are aware they carry something.

I have changed my mind in the thread from earlier.
At the start I thought that people who were separated since birth (adopted out) and met when a lot older - if they wanted to have a non reproductive relationship then thats fine.
But reading more articles - and reading the father-daughter one (as they were not seperated and reunited 30yrs later) that no these people need support. They are misreading the type of love they feel and may cause more damage.
So yeah I can see how and why people do this but ..no they should be able to get help.