Union's, sigh!

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:11PM

Jawgap wrote: »

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EDIT: From the Examiner "However, one senior fire officer said: “As it is, Eircode is worse than useless. We were expecting that the postcodes would be incorporated into satnav systems to make our jobs easier but it appears to be a right waste altogether.”"

Why aren't thier union shouting about lack of facilities to implement the eircode system?

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:12PM

Bambi wrote: »

Weekends off, the bastards

Nurses etc all have weekends off?

opinionated3 · 09-08-2016 01:13PM

Smondie wrote: »

Nurses etc all have weekends off?

Will you have a problem with the nurses union if they go on strike because of ridiculous over crowding in our hospitals? ?

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:18PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Will you have a problem with the nurses union if they go on strike because of ridiculous over crowding in our hospitals? ?

I"d be more inclined to support it if it highlighted a problem like that.

If a little further probing reveals that the reason for overcrowding is lack of money because people are being overpaid, protected by unions when the healthboards joined to form hse. Overpaid workers whose unions protected from sacking even though thier roles no longer existed.

The only thing people strike about in this country is more money.

Would you have a problem if they went on strike because they don't have the weekends off?

Jawgap · 09-08-2016 01:18PM

Smondie wrote: »

Yes, it's the name of the townland covers i'm guessing, 100kmsq. There are loads of houses with the exact same address.

Post was and still is done on local knowledge, not eircodes.

Amazon etc. Until more recently, Mostly came through an post. Couriers now will work off eircodes.

Ambulances and Gardai, were regularly sent astray, I have given one eample. The Gardai used local knowledge, with the clousure of garda stations this is no longer the case.

Why so determined to be stuck in the past?

Just because I'm against a bad system doesn't mean I'm stuck in the past - I've no problem with an internally consistent, intuitive post code or zip code system - what I am against is what is termed 'escalating commitment to a prior course of action' - Eircode is a disaster, better to scrap it and bring in something usable rather than throw good money after bad trying to brow beat people into using it.

You think ECAS routed calls to the local Garda Station? Do tell......

opinionated3 · 09-08-2016 01:20PM

Smondie wrote: »

I"d be more inclined to support it if it highlighted a problem like that.The only thing people strike about in this country is more money.

Would you have a problem if they went on strike because they don't have the weekends off?

Ah try be a bit realistic will ya ffs....your scraping the bottom of the barrel now. And you never answered my earlier posts either

Jawgap · 09-08-2016 01:21PM

Smondie wrote: »

I"d be more inclined to support it if it highlighted a problem like that.The only thing people strike about in this country is more money.

Would you have a problem if they went on strike because they don't have the weekends off?

As my grandad, an old trade union warhorse, used to say "industrial action is hardly ever about money or conditions of employment. it's about membership, getting it, growing it and keeping it. Everything after that is secondary."

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:23PM

Jawgap wrote: »

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You think ECAS routed calls to the local Garda Station? Do tell......

so I ring 999, where do the Gardai who arrive at my house come from? Dublin?

Macy0161 · 09-08-2016 01:24PM

Smondie wrote: »

An Posts refusal to use eircodes smacks of union nonsense. The same union doesn't seem to be bothered if the post office opens 10minutes late!

Postmasters/ Post Offices are basically sub contractors of An Post.

Our posties appear to use the eircode - lack of it has been highlighted a couple of times for delayed post. And despite what the courier companies say, I'm definitely getting less phone calls for directions since eircode.

As for union's in general - most officials are elected by the membership. Any strike action has to be by vote of the membership. A few may attempt to call the shots, but ultimately "the unions" are the membership, and the leadership can only try and influence not make them do anything.

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:25PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Ah try be a bit realistic will ya ffs....your scraping the bottom of the barrel now. And you never answered my earlier posts either

Too many positions were non existant after the healthboards joined to form the HSE. People kept thier jobs even though thier roles were redundant. All supported by unions. The lack of cash in the health service is mostly the union's fault.

tomwaterford · 09-08-2016 01:27PM

Smondie wrote: »

Too many positions were non existant after the healthboards joined to form the HSE. People kept thier jobs even though thier roles were redundant. All supported by unions. The lack of cash in the health service is mostly the union's fault.

The unions aren't paying them or running the HSBC

...your logic is somewhat flawed

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:28PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

The unions aren't paying them or running the HSBC

...your logic is somewhat flawed

What?

The union's fought tooth an nail to keep jobs for the boys in the HSE.

Wanderer78 · 09-08-2016 01:30PM

Smondie wrote: »

so I ring 999, where do the Gardai who arrive at my house come from? Dublin?

call goes to a 'privately owned' call centre! give them enough time, and the gardai will also be privatised!

Jawgap · 09-08-2016 01:31PM

Smondie wrote: »

so I ring 999, where do the Gardai who arrive at my house come from? Dublin?

Eh no, the Guards to whom your call is routed and who answer your call aren't the ones who arrive at your door

......it's not like batman they don't drop the phone and run to the batmobile

The call is routed to the Divisional station - or occasionally a district station if it's one of the bigger ones.

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:33PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Eh no, the Guards to whom your call is routed and who answer your call aren't the ones who arrive at your door ......it's not like batman they don't drop the phone and run to the batmobile

The call is routed to the Divisional station - or occasionally a district station if it's one of the bigger ones.

Divisional station with local knowledge?

As I said, the Gardai work off local knowledge, or used to before the clousure of local garda stations.

It was you than then twisted that to mean

Jawgap wrote: »

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You think ECAS routed calls to the local Garda Station? Do tell......

Jawgap · 09-08-2016 01:46PM

Smondie wrote: »

Divisional station with local knowledge?

As I said, the Gardai work off local knowledge, or used to before the clousure of local garda stations.

It was you than then twisted that to mean

So you reckon a Garda answering the calls in Navan Divisional HQ has sufficient local knowledge about Clonard, Oldcastle and Laytown, for example :rolleyes:

...and despite that they still managed to make it to calls without Eircode......as I said a good idea, poorly executed.........

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:51PM

Jawgap wrote: »

So you reckon a Garda answering the calls in Navan Divisional HQ has sufficient local knowledge about Clonard, Oldcastle and Laytown, for example :rolleyes:

...and despite that they still managed to make it to calls without Eircode......as I said a good idea, poorly executed.........

Taking one of your examples
They send out the Gardai from Laytown, who have the local knowledge. Do you think the Gardai in navan head out to laytown themselves?

You can twist what i'm saying any way you like, but it's not going to make a difference. They relied on local knowledge.

If the garda station in laytown is closed, lets see the navan gardai find thier way round obsecure townlands surrounding laytown.

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:53PM

Unless they are implanting gps chips in them in templemoore?

Smondie · 09-08-2016 01:58PM

9 staff from hse paid 400,000 yearly in pensions.
Anyone listening to the radio now rte1?

I rest my case re unions and the health service.

Fleawuss · 09-08-2016 02:01PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

I worked in two companies that were effectively closed by the union in order to get fat redundancy payouts to the members who had 30+ years service while it was tough sh1t for those of us with just a few years service.

I've known a few lads who have actually had this over the years at senior level and done very well out of it: landlords of several properties actually. Can we blame them? It's just exploiting a situation for personal advantage which is capitalism. Even if they are in a union!

murpho999 · 09-08-2016 02:05PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Seriously, how would that work.....

"MY GOD!!! MY HUSBAND IS HAVING A HEART ATTACK"

"WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS AND EIRCODE"

"I DON'T HAVE MY EIRCODE"

"CAN YOU GOOGLE IT?"

makes you wonder how ambulances found us before Eircode.......

Emergency services have often gone to wrong places, especially in townlands due to duplicate addresses or lack of numbers, so Eircode has been a great solution to them.

If you don't know your Eircode then just do it the old way.

plus I just did a quick experiment and transposed two digits in the second part of the Eircode for my address (the Unique Identifier) - I put the '6' where '7' should be and the '7' where the '6' should be - the result was an address 25km away in a different county.

A simple postcode would've been better.......unless you were the consultants;)

You're telling porkies here, as the first 3 characters relate to your area and the last 4 are random. So mixing the last 4 up would not give you a different county.

Ronald Wilson Reagan · 09-08-2016 02:13PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYS0zal7ObI

The unions do need a serious shake up though, for the most part the unions with any real clout represent the sheltered civil service and professional classes. They have shown zero solidarity, even willing to sell out new entrants to their own professions to maintain their bloated pensions.
All the while the self employed, part and lower wage workers get shafted.

lawlolawl · 09-08-2016 02:24PM

Smondie wrote: »

9 staff from hse paid 400,000 yearly in pensions.
Anyone listening to the radio now rte1?

I rest my case re unions and the health service.

Do we know how much these people paid into their pension scheme?

Smondie · 09-08-2016 02:26PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Do we know how much these people paid into their pension scheme?

The guy on the radio just explained. They had to clock in for work 120days over thier career.

BrokenArrows · 09-08-2016 02:28PM

1. The currently eircode system sucks.
2. Ignore 1, Suck it up and deal with it. Get used to relying on using a code to deliver mail. At some point in the future they may improve the code or change it totally. But that doesnt affect the workers because they are still just referencing a code.

Jawgap · 09-08-2016 03:10PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Emergency services have often gone to wrong places, especially in townlands due to duplicate addresses or lack of numbers, so Eircode has been a great solution to them.

If you don't know your Eircode then just do it the old way.

You're telling porkies here, as the first 3 characters relate to your area and the last 4 are random. So mixing the last 4 up would not give you a different county.

Really, because I think you're confusing postal towns and assuming Drogheda, for example, doesn't cover Louth (Collon) and Mornington (Meath).....

For example A92 PW28 returns
LAUREL HAVEN
ARDEE STREET
COLLON
CO. LOUTH

....as the address.

Transpose the 8 and the 2 and A92 PW82 and the address returned is
54 GREENLAWNS
MOSNEY ACCOMODATION CENTRE
MOSNEY
JULIANSTOWN
CO. MEATH

Likewise.....
10 OLD COURT HOUSE
MARKET SQUARE
COLLON
CO. LOUTH
A92 X6K4

16 HAZEL LANE
DROGHEDA
CO. MEATH
A92 X4K6.....

.......apology accepted

Duckworth_Luas · 09-08-2016 03:27PM

An Post were all in favour of introducing postcodes until their tender failed the selection process.

Their reason for not backing it originally is simple. It allows competitors, whose deliverymen will not be familiar with the 40% of addresses which are non-unique, to compete on an equal footing. Using Eircodes you could employ an Azerbaijani deliverman who could deliver packages as competently on his first day as an Irish postman who has lived in his delivery area his entire life. In the future An Post can now be replaced entirely by a private company.

The cost of the system is also actually An Post's fault. It's based on their national address database. Eircode have to pay them 12 million to licence it.

An Post are also to blame for it not being incorporated into sat navs. It is a legal dispute with them and their database that is holding that up.

Duckworth_Luas · 09-08-2016 03:34PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Really, because I think you're confusing postal towns and assuming Drogheda, for example, doesn't cover Louth (Collon) and Mornington (Meath).....

For example A92 PW28 returns
LAUREL HAVEN
ARDEE STREET
COLLON
CO. LOUTH

....as the address.

Transpose the 8 and the 2 and A92 PW82 and the address returned is
54 GREENLAWNS
MOSNEY ACCOMODATION CENTRE
MOSNEY
JULIANSTOWN
CO. MEATH

Likewise.....
10 OLD COURT HOUSE
MARKET SQUARE
COLLON
CO. LOUTH
A92 X6K4

16 HAZEL LANE
DROGHEDA
CO. MEATH
A92 X4K6.....

.......apology accepted

This was done on purpose.

Lets say there are no numbers on houses on Hazel Lane in Drogheda.

An accident occurs and the emergency services are called. They ask for the address and are told

Hazel Lane
Drogheda
Co Meath.

Then the operator asks for the Eircode.This will help to differentiate between the 100 houses on this road.

The person replies with

A92 X6K4

The operator checks this and notices that this Eircode is actually

MARKET SQUARE
COLLON
CO. LOUTH

The Eircode provided is obviously wrong. By transposing any two characters the address will move by 10 or 20 km.

The person then returns the correct Eircode and the ambulance driver gets to the exact address and helps save a life.

Jawgap · 09-08-2016 04:31PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

This was done on purpose.

Lets say there are no numbers on houses on Hazel Lane in Drogheda.

An accident occurs and the emergency services are called. They ask for the address and are told

Hazel Lane
Drogheda
Co Meath.

Then the operator asks for the Eircode.This will help to differentiate between the 100 houses on this road.

The person replies with

A92 X6K4

The operator checks this and notices that this Eircode is actually

MARKET SQUARE
COLLON
CO. LOUTH

The Eircode provided is obviously wrong. By transposing any two characters the address will move by 10 or 20 km.

The person then returns the correct Eircode and the ambulance driver gets to the exact address and helps save a life.

Whether it was done on purpose or not, I believe the original assertion was that I was telling porkies and that simply transposing 2 digits in the UI wouldn't yield another address in another county.

Again it just shows how poor the system is. Theoretically it may work well, but as a practical proposition it's an expensive flop.

Jawgap · 09-08-2016 04:33PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

This was done on purpose.

Lets say there are no numbers on houses on Hazel Lane in Drogheda.

An accident occurs and the emergency services are called. They ask for the address and are told

Hazel Lane
Drogheda
Co Meath.

Then the operator asks for the Eircode.This will help to differentiate between the 100 houses on this road.

The person replies with

A92 X6K4

The operator checks this and notices that this Eircode is actually

MARKET SQUARE
COLLON
CO. LOUTH

The Eircode provided is obviously wrong. By transposing any two characters the address will move by 10 or 20 km.

The person then returns the correct Eircode and the ambulance driver gets to the exact address and helps save a life.

Btw, how many people do you think when asked would be able to give their Eircode? As someone suggested, though, they could Google it

Union's, sigh!

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