Union's, sigh!

Smondie · 09-08-2016 11:07AM #1

An Posts refusal to use eircodes smacks of union nonsense. The same union doesn't seem to be bothered if the post office opens 10minutes late!

Hopefully a private company will take take over the union dismantled.

What other instances of unions cutting off thier nose to spite thier faces can you think of?

Pac1Man · 09-08-2016 11:09AM

Union Jack?

09-08-2016 11:11AM

Union's what?

Smondie · 09-08-2016 11:11AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Union's what?

Thier nonsense

smash · 09-08-2016 11:14AM

The sooner we get drones to deliver mail the better.

Smondie · 09-08-2016 11:15AM

Here's another one.

Billionaire investor Carl Icahn wrote a letter Thursday to the soon-to-be unemployed workers of the Trump Taj Mahal casino, accusing their union of inciting them to destroy their own jobs by participating in the longest strike by Atlantic City's main casino workers union.

Icahn told the workers that officials of Local 54 of the Unite-HERE union knew that the company had made its final offer, but rejected it anyway, knowing a strike would result.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/billionaire-investor-carl-icahn-union-got-taj-mahal-casino-workers-to-kill-own-jobs/

Captain Chaos · 09-08-2016 11:15AM

Smondie wrote: »

What other instances of unions cutting off thier nose to spite thier faces can you think of?

Irish Rail DART drivers refusing to fully train up 9 new drivers so the company and introduce a 10 minute frequency from October.

The current drivers are saying they can't work to those times yet that is why they are to train up 9 new drivers.:rolleyes: Reason they are given is that senior drivers don't want any SPADs on their record that many happen while a new driver is driving under supervision which is total BS.

I'd be sacked if I refused to teach a new trainee in my job.

mad muffin · 09-08-2016 11:16AM

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? Oh wait… that's league. I always get Union and league mixed up!! :eek::(:o

Pac1Man · 09-08-2016 11:16AM

Or some nice union rings with a bag of chips on a Friday! It really is the little things.

ancapailldorcha · 09-08-2016 11:19AM

There are people I work with who cannot commute in because the local train drivers union has decided to go on a strike to fight against efficiency measures despite nobody's job being under threat.

biko · 09-08-2016 11:19AM

Unions may not be perfect but they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

Hager · 09-08-2016 11:21AM

An Post voiced their objection to Eircode from the very earliest days of its proposal mainly because they have invested in sorting machinery that is perfectly capable of doing its job and felt that Eircode would offer no advantage to them. There is no union bogey man at play here.
I will admit that unions sometimes do themselves no favours with some of their arguments but I think that working conditions in this country,for both union and non union workers, would be a lot worse were it not for their existence.

Smondie · 09-08-2016 11:23AM

biko wrote: »

Unions may not be perfect but they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

What's the alternative?

Labour courts and employment laws? That sounds A-okay to me!

smash · 09-08-2016 11:24AM

biko wrote: »

Unions may not be perfect but they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

In my opinion the alternative is properly a functioning society. Unions are the cogs that go backwards and f*ck things up. So I'd rather the alternative.

Smondie · 09-08-2016 11:27AM

Hager wrote: »

An Post voiced their objection to Eircode from the very earliest days of its proposal mainly because they have invested in sorting machinery that is perfectly capable of doing its job and felt that Eircode would offer no advantage to them. There is no union bogey man at play here.
I will admit that unions sometimes do themselves no favours with some of their arguments but I think that working conditions in this country,for both union and non union workers, would be a lot worse were it not for their existence.

So why did they take it upon themselves to start returning my post to sender? The reason, the usual postman was on holidays and they refused to look at the eircode, asking "any local landmarks?" Yes here is a picture of my house on a map with an individual code, oh no, couldn't look at that. There's a chestnut tree and 5 cows in a field, perfect...give me strength.

realdanbreen · 09-08-2016 11:28AM

biko wrote: »

Unions may not be perfect but they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

I worked in two companies that were effectively closed by the union in order to get fat redundancy payouts to the members who had 30+ years service while it was tough sh1t for those of us with just a few years service.

MeatTwoVeg · 09-08-2016 11:29AM

The post office nearest my work closes from 12.30 to 2pm.
WTF! The precise times that most people are free to pop down and use their services.

Wanderer78 · 09-08-2016 11:32AM

Smondie wrote:

Hopefully a private company will take take over the union dismantled.

Yes yes, neoliberalism is working fine globally, isn't it!

Renegade Mechanic · 09-08-2016 11:32AM

smash wrote: »

The sooner we get drones to deliver mail the better.

I will NEVER buy anything that has to be delivered by drone, because it'll be some airsoft wanker under it's flight path that'll be getting what I bought...

Hager · 09-08-2016 11:33AM

Smondie wrote: »

So why did they take it upon themselves to start returning my post to sender? The reason, the usual postman was on holidays and they refused to look at the eircode, asking "any local landmarks?" Yes here is a picture of my house on a map with an individual code, oh no, couldn't look at that. There's a chestnut tree and 5 cows in a field, perfect...give me strength.

I've no idea. I don't work for An Post so have no clue as to what their policies are.

sbsquarepants · 09-08-2016 11:36AM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

The post office nearest my work closes from 12.30 to 2pm.
WTF! The precise times that most people are free to pop down and use their services.

Same - the only reason I went there was to put money into my aib account, but aib closes for lunch too.
AIB actually have a sign up saying to speed things up, why not use the post office instead - what a novel way to run a business:D

Smondie · 09-08-2016 11:37AM

Hager wrote: »

I've no idea. I don't work for An Post so have no clue as to what their policies are.

It was for the reason outlined in my post.

My local post office couldn't deal with the issue, not thier department, I was sent to another one 20miles away. They're be war if tesco's or some other company refused to take returns in your local supermarket and tried to pull the same stunt.

opinionated3 · 09-08-2016 11:39AM

Smondie wrote: »

What's the alternative?

Labour courts and employment laws? That sounds A-okay to me!

Your kidding right? !! We have a labour court in this country that is totally pro employer. ...believe me. I'm working in a large profitable multinational company and only for our union our wages and conditions would be stripped to the bare minimum if management got their way. Across the way from us is another US multinational with no union. It opened its doors around 6 years ago with decent wages and conditions to entice new workers. And guess what? ?Every year since, those conditions have been eroded away to nothing and now the workers are rebelling, resulting in a terrible working atmosphere. This despite the fact that the company makes over 100mill profit every 2 years. So yes unions may have their faults but your completely bias opinion of them is way off the mark.

cursai · 09-08-2016 11:39AM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Same - the only reason I went there was to put money into my aib account, but aib closes for lunch too.
AIB actually have a sign up saying to speed things up, why not use the post office instead - what a novel way to run a business:D

What union do AIB have?

smash · 09-08-2016 11:40AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Your kidding right? !! We have a labour court in this country that is totally pro employer. ...believe me. I'm working in a large profitable multinational company and only for our union our wages and conditions would be stripped to the bare minimum if management got their way. Across the way from us is another US multinational with no union. It opened its doors around 6 years ago with decent wages and conditions to entice new workers. And guess what? ?Every year since, those conditions have been eroded away to nothing and now the workers are rebelling, resulting in a terrible working atmosphere. This despite the fact that the company makes over 100mill profit every 2 years. So yes unions may have their faults but your completely bias opinion of them is way off the mark.

Unions limit productivity and hold back development, this is fact.

conorhal · 09-08-2016 11:41AM

Smondie wrote: »

An Posts refusal to use eircodes smacks of union nonsense. The same union doesn't seem to be bothered if the post office opens 10minutes late!

Hopefully a private company will take take over the union dismantled.

What other instances of unions cutting off thier nose to spite thier faces can you think of?

Well for once the union is in step with the rest of the citizens of this nation who are also refusing to bother with eircodes....

Smondie · 09-08-2016 11:44AM

conorhal wrote: »

Well for once the union is in step with the rest of the citizens of this nation who are also refusing to bother with eircodes....

Emergency services use eircodes, private couriers & me

Hager · 09-08-2016 11:45AM

smash wrote: »

Unions limit productivity and hold back development, this is fact.

Is it fact because you say so? Care to show us all the evidence to prove your statement?

Smondie · 09-08-2016 11:47AM

Hager wrote: »

Is it fact because you say so? Care to show us all the evidence to prove your statement?

Exhibit A

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Irish Rail DART drivers refusing to fully train up 9 new drivers so the company and introduce a 10 minute frequency from October.

The current drivers are saying they can't work to those times yet that is why they are to train up 9 new drivers.:rolleyes: Reason they are given is that senior drivers don't want any SPADs on their record that many happen while a new driver is driving under supervision which is total BS.

I'd be sacked if I refused to teach a new trainee in my job.

opinionated3 · 09-08-2016 11:47AM

smash wrote: »

Unions limit productivity and hold back development, this is fact.

Productivity is up in our company as a result of company/union negotiations. So you are incorrect in that. Please don't get me wrong. ....I'm not trying to portray unions as some sort of heroic entity coming to the rescue of the humble worker. ...but they do have their uses. I know for fact that we would have been walked all over only for our union fighting for us.

FalconGirl · 09-08-2016 11:52AM

cursai wrote: »

What union do AIB have?

IBOA who are actually f**king useless and don't like to rock the boat too much.

Union's, sigh!

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