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Dept. Of Agriculture - Frustration

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  • #32
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    That's the problem right there, everyone is scared of repercussions so nobody complains, they continue to treat us like sh1te and get away with it. There has to be independent appeals system.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #33
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,700 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    blue5000 wrote: »
    That's the problem right there, everyone is scared of repercussions so nobody complains, they continue to treat us like sh1te and get away with it. There has to be independent appeals system.
    Its a crap system, made a complaint about a teacher to the dept of eduaction, was told i hadnt followed the correct protocol..... which is talk to teacher involved, then principal, then board of management then dept of education... why would people bother


  • #34
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    It wouldn't matter, blue. It would be a pyrrhic victory and I would be a marked man after with any inspection. I learned that the hard way already.

    You're probably that already..they do read boards you know...:eek:


  • #35
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    rangler1 wrote: »
    You're probably that already..they do read boards you know...:eek:
    Yeah, they do.

    One that came into my yard a while back mentioned something that I was discussing on here a few weeks before.

    A gentle nudge, I guess.


  • #36
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Yeah, they do.

    One that came into my yard a while back mentioned something that I was discussing on here a few weeks before.

    A gentle nudge, I guess.

    Yea got my knuckles rapped here too...;)


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  • #37
    tractorporn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    rangler1 wrote:
    You're probably that already..they do read boards you know...

    Buford T. Justice V wrote:
    One that came into my yard a while back mentioned something that I was discussing on here a few weeks before.

    rangler1 wrote:
    Yea got my knuckles rapped here too...

    Bejesbus I didn't realise the Dept were that devious?? They have little to be at!!


  • #38
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    tractorporn wrote: »
    Bejesbus I didn't realise the Dept were that devious?? They have little to be at!!
    It's a public forum and, even using aliases, most of us can be traced fairly easily from the information we post if someone is that way inclined.

    I wonder is it on public or private time though:D


  • #39
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,700 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    It's a public forum and, even using aliases, most of us can be traced fairly easily from the information we post if someone is that way inclined.

    I wonder is it on public or private time though:D
    1 very good reason to not put your location on your avatar


  • #40
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    tractorporn wrote: »
    Bejesbus I didn't realise the Dept were that devious?? They have little to be at!!


    They would get fairly genuine feedback here instead of some of the sh..e they have to listen to from farmers at meetings...... unlikely they're trying to catch us out.
    Ireferred to one of them here by name so probably deserved it


  • #41
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    whelan2 wrote: »
    1 very good reason to not put your location on your avatar

    Why wouldn't you want your identity known, The best dressed lady in the Galway Races found one reason anyway.......scandalous carry on


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  • #42
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,611 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    rangler1 wrote: »
    Why wouldn't you want your identity known, The best dressed lady in the Galway Races found one reason anyway.......scandalous carry on

    What happened there


  • #43
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Reggie. wrote: »
    What happened there

    She's got trolled on social media sites for droopy boobies syndrome and terrible clothing choice. Probably by people in manky tracksuits and looking like the back of a 46a bus after being rearended.


  • #44
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,611 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    She's got trolled on social media sites for droopy boobies syndrome and terrible clothing choice. Probably by people in manky tracksuits and looking like the back of a 46a bus after being rearended.

    Making themselves feel good


  • #45
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,700 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Making themselves feel good
    very easy to hide behind a keyboard


  • #46
    selectamatic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Making themselves feel good

    Always happens in all walks of life. Especially faceless social media. Be it bar stool football critics, fashion/physical appearance, career snobbery etc.

    Floyd Patterson had a great comeback when a snide journalist asked him how he felt knowing he had the record of being knocked down the most times out of any other heavyweight champ; he replied I also hold the record for getting back up the most amount of times.


  • #47
    Bellview
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    Sheep breeder wrote:
    This is where a lot of today's problems have come from in the dept the the 2011 blue shirt crowd when they got power they closed the local office and the front desk and moved every thing to enda the muppets back yard,in our local Dvo the two women than done the front desk were the most helpful women and ever thing was sorted straight away, now you go in and ring castlebar to get a problem sorted and the ifa and the local muppet let this happen. The same as closing the local Garda station, stupid for to save money and TD getting more money,


    My comment was on their centralised functions as judge have had issues chasing payments was told in each office all my data is correct but getting passed from Cavan Wexford port laois etc and no knew in depth feels accountable. The standard answer from the Dept is blame the computer.. not the lad behind it. I have not yet seen a computer make an error .. it's the user that makes the error but the Dept folks think that the computer response is a good reason.. while it's not
    The central dept believe the farmer is there to serve them not the other way around. There was a real opportunity missed to slim this down and divert the cash to the garda or more worthy causes.
    On local office in our area they were rubbish even in the 90 and 00 when there was plenty of cash so I would not blame enda for all the ills ...and I'm not a fan of enda.


  • #48
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    It wouldn't matter, blue. It would be a pyrrhic victory and I would be a marked man after with any inspection. I learned that the hard way already.
    If you feel the Dept are being vexatious towards you with e.g. an inspection, you report them to the Ombudsman's office


  • #49
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I've been dealing with the department a lot recently. I'm just gobsmacked at how bloody incompetent they are.
    I had to fill out a form for them, over 10 pages long. They sent it out as a bad photocopy. In fact it looked like a photocopy of a photocopy. I couldn't read part of it so I searched for it online only to find a newer revision.
    Sent it in anyway. Then got out another letter looking for more information. This info wasn't requested on the first letter.
    Sent in the second letter and no reply for over a week so I rang them. They said they got the second letter but not the first, the filled form. Explain that one, as the second letter I sent was in response to their letter about the filled form? They then sent back my second letter to me with the first form to be filled out again.They cant find the first form. 'It may have gone to another office'.

    In this day and age for a government department to do this is down right embarrassing.
    More than one office in Portlaoise, just saying. Did you state clearly on the envelope the section that you wanted your correspondence to be sent to?


  • #50
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    After a discussion with a lady in the dept one day she told me I needed to fill out a form. She said she would post it to me.
    "Sure just email it to me" I said and you'll have it back in an hour.
    She hesitated and said it would be handier for her to post it.
    Unbelievable. How many more like her are there working in the dept? Loads I'd imagine.
    The need original signatures for auditing purposes


  • #51
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    ganmo wrote: »
    I reckon the reluctance to email is down to the fact that then you'd have their direct email address.
    You can ask an officer for his/her name and they have to give it to you. Same way they have to give their [ersonal e-mail address if requested


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  • #52
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    krazyklown wrote: »
    One way to deal with these guys is always take their name and always ask for that person when dealing with a specific issue. The worst thing is to be ringing them up saying you were dealing with somebody whose name you don't have about something last week . They love that anonymity, no accountability. My dad used this to good effect, he would record who he was talking to and the jist of the conversation. Can take a bit of time, but good in the long run.
    Your dad was right!


  • #53
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Record the conversation, tell them it's for training the young lad in how to deal with the dept.
    You can't record any conversation without their permission and they can't record you either without your permission


  • #54
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    selectamatic wrote: »
    As pointed out above it's really right across the board in public sector departments. Department of education particularly the pay division are woeful, department of social welfare, department of health, county councils etc an awful lot of them are barely fit for purpose.
    As with all departments there's plenty of good people in them and in time as you get used to dealing with them you get to know which person to ask for when you have a query. I just get the feeling many have whatever motivation they may have had when they started out slowly worn away be systemic negligence to the point that they no longer care.
    The moratorium on recruitment to the C.S. didn't help. Experienced people leaving and not being replaced. Most civil servants don't do overtime anymore because they are taxed to the hilt or are totally peed off after a day of one person doing 3 people's work


  • #55
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    50HX wrote: »
    it's called jobs for the boys (+ lassies):D

    like a lot of civil servants it's what keeps them in a job

    i got locked out of my agfood the other day

    rang to reset it and it must have been near lunchtime as the woman told me to power the pc off and on again....... i kid you not

    it reminded me of Little Britain..."computer says noooo"
    Powering off and on your computer does work sometimes, take it from me


  • #56
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    I was having a clearance sale back in 05 and had the cows tested and had them booked into the mart on a friday a few days before I went to the dvo and they said the cards would be ready Tuesday evening and they would post them out. The cards never arrived because some joker forgot to post them. The friday was total mayhem the cards were coming they weren't any way the vet got the cards around 1pm then the mart manager told me it was too late as the buyers had to go and collect their children from the school. I had to put the sale off for another week.
    'Blue' cards are not printed in the DVOs, they send the details to a company the Dept outsourced the job to & have to weight for them to return new cards to the DVO


  • #57
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Tbh, Bp, I don't think anything I do could make an ounce of difference.

    It would seem easier to check that the changes weren't made before ringing me to give out about me not doing something I'm not responsible for doing.

    Reading back that sentence shows just how mad the whole ag supervision industry is.

    I might ring them back and give out to them about the price of milk. At least then I would be put on the mad farmer list and they would leave me alone.
    Mad farmers are not left alone, they are 'hopped off' like everyone else. Ask my father-in-law, Lol!


  • #58
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    Sheep breeder wrote: »
    This is where a lot of today's problems have come from in the dept the the 2011 blue shirt crowd when they got power they closed the local office and the front desk and moved every thing to enda the muppets back yard,in our local Dvo the two women than done the front desk were the most helpful women and ever thing was sorted straight away, now you go in and ring castlebar to get a problem sorted and the ifa and the local muppet let this happen. The same as closing the local Garda station, stupid for to save money and TD getting more money,
    The Department of Agriculture began this process in 2009, of restructuring its local office network. Moll Coughlan started this process. Imagine a farmer from Clare's local office is now in Naas, Co. Kildare. Madness


  • #59
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Is there an ombudsman or whatever that you can complain to?
    We can only complain about e.g. entitlement to livestock grants administered by the Department of Agriculture Food and the Marine to the Ombudsman's Office. Same goes for most other depts also


  • #60
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    blue5000 wrote: »
    That's the problem right there, everyone is scared of repercussions so nobody complains, they continue to treat us like sh1te and get away with it. There has to be independent appeals system.
    There is an Independent Appeals Office in Portlaoise. Daddy-in-law just rattled off their number 057 8667167


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  • #61
    50HX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭50HX


    Hurling Hereford wrote: »
    Powering off and on your computer does work sometimes, take it from me

    you must have a different PC to me:D


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