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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread
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Wow - we're into week 6 already and I had almost forgotten to acknowledge it. :eek: 89 days, 13 hours remaining as I am typing this!
Plenty of miles being recorded - and even a couple of 10k races being ran this weekend (ahem *reports*). First things first, from now onwards, special permission needs to be acquired for a race-pass - because from now on in, the main thing is the main thing. Every PB-attempt for any distance other than 26.2M is now on hold. Aquinn will adjucate all your requests.
Joking aside, we're in an important phase of our 18-week journey (and for most of you, it's been longer), the mileage is increasing, and the structure of the plan is hopefully settling in. HHN1 is actually stepping back a little this week: 3M, 5M, 3M - and a 7M LSR - before it will increase in mileage towards the FD10 on August 20. The Boards mileage is peaking this week (temporarily): 5M, 7M (5@PMP), 3M rec - and all of 16M as LSR, before it will actually drop-back next week as a mini-taper for FD10.
There are a couple of interesting themes in the weekly report posts above.- Great runs and tough runs. Last week, there was a lot of talk about tiredness when this week, most of you seem to have had a great week. I am so pleased to read that (and so is my backroom staff!). For those of you who had a harder day at the office (especially during the long runs), I applaud you for sticking with it. There will be easy days and there will be hard days. The hard days are hard - but they will stand to you on the day itself. Try and understand why. Was your feeding off? Poor sleep the night before? Unusually hot? Take the appropriate corrective action (e.g. earlier bedtime, or up earlier for the LSR to get enough food on-board). Now is the time to find your optimal routine. Once again, well done to each of you for getting through it - even if it felt hard. Remember the famous JFK quote? "We do these things, not because they're easy, but because they're hard". I can't say it better than that. :rolleyes:
- Tiredness / sickness. A few more reports from the infirmary, Bunny Colvin in, Kittyclaws back out. As with everything, listen to your body, only you can judge what it's trying to tell you. If needed, don't hesitate to either take a day off, seek professional advice ("get that physio on speed-dial"). The longer you let things linger, the more chance you give it to irreversibly mess things up.
- Food, glorious food (and lots of it!). I had to smile about the reports of 'eating all around you', especially after the long runs. It brings back memories! There are many more knowledgeable folks around for good dietary tips and a lot of great suggestions and tips have already been shared on the thread. I'm from the "eat your greens and you'll be grand"-school: just eat the right, sensible things. You're going to need more and more of it, and the danger is to fill the void with cr*p. It's so tempting to reason that you're putting in all this hard work, so you deserve that chocolate bar / pastry / whatever as mid-day snack. I don't think you need to lead a completely Spartan lifestyle but you just need to resist most temptations. There are healthy snacks, too. There's a couple of things to recall from last-year's thread: cook healthy evening meals for a few days in advance and freeze some portions (since you'll have less time to do so - you'll be out for a run instead!), flapjacks are incredibly easy to make, and just keep the sweet-press empty to avoid slip-ups (I got that from Myles's log here on boards, which is well worth checking out!). As always, look after your body! You're asking a lot of it - help it out by feeding it with healthy, wholemeal, proper food.
and I hope you'll hang around!
And finally, a reminder that we'll try a Novices LSR meet in Phoenix Park on Sat Aug 13, 9am. :cool:
Name|Planned Pace|Distance required
aceygray|9.30 - 10 min/mile|14 miles
kin9pin|10:00-11:00|14 miles
nop98|9:30 - 10|8ish
FITZA|10.05+|14m
Pomplamousse|10:30-10:45min/mile-ish|14 miles
A Neurotic|10:30 - 11|12 - 14
Firedance|10:30 to 11:30|6-8
The Muppet|11 to 12 |any
Antwerp (tentative)|11:00-12:00|14miles
The Black Oil|11|12 miles
kittyclaws|11|any
scotindublin (tentative)||
Apologies if I miss a question or fail to react to your report - the thread grows so quickly that it's easy to miss some! Just repeat it and someone will pick it up. And thank you all for supporting each-other!0 -
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Ok, NOP98.., no pressure on my race report, which apologies will be brief as its kinda a blur, as got a PB knocked 5mins off last year's DLR and my last 10km (Lust for Life in April 2016) so delira have forgotten exactly what happened today. To summarise:
- Arrived early so had a nice 2km warm up to the start area. Decided to soak up the scenery and ended up watching a few guys swimming (in the background there was a group warm up for DLR10) while I did my stretching.
- Strolled down to the start, was so chilled, that start gun gave me a shock.
- Enjoyed <1.5km even though probably ran faster than anticipated.
- Turned corner up the first hill which I decided to pace myself, then flew down the other side
- Randomly a vicar stepped out and wished us luck around 2km mark
- Soaked up the atmosphere enjoyed the local well wishers and before I knew it we were up by Honeypark, where a lady kindly offered a massive bag of jellies because....we were at the bottom of a rather large hill which was the 5km mark. After climbing said hill, we were met by water stations, which were cups, good for the environment but pretty awkward to run and carry. Also they really have had skips nearby as small bins were no good.
- Entertained a few more up and more importantly down hills therafter from 5-7km which I decided for once to let go and go with them.
- Before I knew it I had arrived at 9km and from there on it was just a matter of holding the pace and going for it (no point complaining after that I should have gone faster). That being said as you pass the original start line, there is a slight drag up past Teddies so had to slow it down but then managed to crank it up a gear as I knew it was only about 500m or so left.
- Suddenly I knew we were close to the end so I decided to give it my all (as bearing in mind I had not checked my watch once so was eager to see what the clock on the finish said)....suddenly I see 55..... Yes, l had just knocked 5 minutes off my fastest 10km ever...so I sprinted like Mo Farrah even the MC referenced the fact that I was going for gold (well it my Gold medal
to ensure that I got the best time I could.
So all and all a great day out, over the moon.
P.s. Well done to my fellow racers today, looks like ye all did well.0 -
Ok, NOP98.., no pressure on my race report, which apologies will be brief as its kinda a blur, as got a PB knocked 5mins off last year's DLR and my last 10km (Lust for Life in April 2016) so delira have forgotten exactly what happened today. To summarise:
- Arrived early so had a nice 2km warm up to the start area. Decided to soak up the scenery and ended up watching a few guys swimming (in the background there was a group warm up for DLR10) while I did my stretching.
- Strolled down to the start, was so chilled, that start gun gave me a shock.
- Enjoyed <1.5km even though probably ran faster than anticipated.
- Turned corner up the first hill which I decided to pace myself, then flew down the other side
- Randomly a vicar stepped out and wished us luck around 2km mark
- Soaked up the atmosphere enjoyed the local well wishers and before I knew it we were up by Honeypark, where a lady kindly offered a massive bag of jellies because....we were at the bottom of a rather large hill which was the 5km mark. After climbing said hill, we were met by water stations, which were cups, good for the environment but pretty awkward to run and carry. Also they really have had skips nearby as small bins were no good.
- Entertained a few more up and more importantly down hills therafter from 5-7km which I decided for once to let go and go with them.
- Before I knew it I had arrived at 9km and from there on it was just a matter of holding the pace and going for it (no point complaining after that I should have gone faster). That being said as you pass the original start line, there is a slight drag up past Teddies so had to slow it down but then managed to crank it up a gear as I knew it was only about 500m or so left.
- Suddenly I knew we were close to the end so I decided to give it my all (as bearing in mind I had not checked my watch once so was eager to see what the clock on the finish said)....suddenly I see 55..... Yes, l had just knocked 5 minutes off my fastest 10km ever...so I sprinted like Mo Farrah even the MC referenced the fact that I was going for gold (well it my Gold medal to ensure that I got the best time I could.
So all and all a great day out, over the moon.
P.s. Well done to my fellow racers today, looks like ye all did well.
Well done Antwerp.. we both felt the pressure to log reports at same time! Just posted mine. I watched those same swimmers too.. it looked very peaceful out there.0 -
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Thread seems to get busier with each week, or else it's the race reports.
Week 5, HHN1
Tues: 3.05 mi. Time: 29:19. 9:37 min/mi, Avg Pace.
Weds: 5.35 mi. Time: 50:52. 9:35 min/mi, Avg Pace.
Thurs: 3.02 mi. Time: 28:03. 9:17 min/mi, Avg Pace.
Sat: 10.05 mi. Time: 1:53:23. 11:17 min/mi, Avg Pace.
Pretty happy with the week overall. Almost had a row with my watch on Weds evening as it wasn't co-operating at first, probably my fault. :pac: Saturday improved after the first mile or two. Wasn't sure what route I'd take, headed around one of the back roads, which was nice and quiet. Was quite tempted to stop at the castle and admire the views. Tried my water belt for the first time, no gels. Belt felt like a nuisance to carry at the beginning - did settle down. Couple of other runners out and about. Forgot my hat, so got a little pink.
Saturdays are still a little tricky, not so much the effort, but consistency of pace around the 11 mark.
Week 4
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Week 13, Irish Runner Plan
Monday: 5 miles at PRP. (Looking back I should have ran a bit slower - I had done the Fingal 10k the day before, legs were tired.)
Tuesay: Recovery run before work (felt niggle starting in right thigh so took the pace right back)
Wednesday: Woke up looking like a lob-sided hamster, one cheek really swollen with an abscess. I went to the dentist who gave me antibiotics. Went out that evening for a planned 8 miles - 1.5 miles in my right leg went numb at the thigh and my mouth was sore so decided to turn back and take a few days off.
Thurs: (Ended up going for an emergency root canal first thing Thursday morning, bad pain and swelling. That was fun.)
Fri / Sat / Sun: Rest. Lovely weekend away with friends. I couldn't drink because of the antibiotics, so it was a weekend of rest, swimming, walks on the beach and good food
Monday: LSR - 14 miles. All went well I did struggle for the last mile, my legs were very tired, I train in the mountains so I think I'll have to find a flatter route for when the milage gets higher.
Overall a learning curve this week - I'm taking additional supplements recommended by a pharmacist who really seemed to know her stuff - Berocca, Flavavital for iron and B-vitamins and Omega 3,6,9 - I found a good (but expensive) vegetarian version. I spend the afternoon yesterday batch-cooking lunch and dinner for the week, all from scratch which I bulked up with lots of greens.
Best of luck to everyone this week! x 0 -
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Hi folks - word on the grapevine is that "marathon entries are through the roof" for this time of year.
I see plenty of you have already signed up, which is exciting and all that For those of you who haven't done so, it may be worth signing up in the next few weeks - to avoid disappointment! 0 -
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Hi folks - word on the grapevine is that "marathon entries are through the roof" for this time of year.
I see plenty of you have already signed up, which is exciting and all that For those of you who haven't done so, it may be worth signing up in the next few weeks - to avoid disappointment!
I have heard this too. By some accounts there are only 2,000 places left. I'd be signing up right away. Nothing worse than being frozen out of your debut marathon! 0 -
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I have heard this too. By some accounts there are only 2,000 places left. I'd be signing up right away. Nothing worse than being frozen out of your debut marathon!
What's the limit?
And have the waves moved? I'm in wave 2 which says 3:50-4:15 on my ticket, but the site info now says wave 2 is 3:35-4:05. I'm planning/hoping to follow the 4hr pacers, would hate to get caught up with "real" marathon runners 0 -
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What's the limit?
And have the waves moved? I'm in wave 2 which says 3:50-4:15 on my ticket, but the site info now says wave 2 is 3:35-4:05. I'm planning/hoping to follow the 4hr pacers, would hate to get caught up with "real" marathon runners
Either way if you're hoping for 4 hours it sounds like wave 2 is still right. You can always move back a wave on the day (but not up one).
The limit is 15,000, they're quite close to that now apparently and as the grapevine is gone into overdrive I'd imagine they'll be closing entries a lot sooner than a couple of weeks.0 -
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What's the limit?
And have the waves moved? I'm in wave 2 which says 3:50-4:15 on my ticket, but the site info now says wave 2 is 3:35-4:05. I'm planning/hoping to follow the 4hr pacers, would hate to get caught up with "real" marathon runners
Hi kin9pin, when I read your post I checked my ticket but it says 3.35-4.05, I entered in early May, maybe you entered before this and they have changed the waves? I did notice in the FAQ section on their site that they say, as an example, when they talk about pacers, that in wave 2 the 3.50 pacer would be at the front of the wave where I presume the 3.40 pacer would be at the front, so I'm taking from this that they changed wave times at some stage but didn't update the pacing information. As was said a few days ago, on the day you can drop back into the wave behind you but you can't move up a wave so we're probably best in wave 2 0 -
Either way if you're hoping for 4 hours it sounds like wave 2 is still right. You can always move back a wave on the day (but not up one).
The limit is 15,000, they're quite close to that now apparently and as the grapevine is gone into overdrive I'd imagine they'll be closing entries a lot sooner than a couple of weeks.
I should have read ALL the post before I replied to kin9pin!!! 0 -
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That's what I thought. Sound advice ...Thanks Firedance. I find myself not even considering racing now whereas before I would jump into every local 5k or 10k. Keep the main thing the main thing really works as a mantra!
There's pacers at the 3/4 marathon, who run at an effort appropriate for LSR pace for DCM times of 3:00, 3:30, 4:00 and 4:30 - so if you're still on track for 4:30 and an LSR of 10:40/mile sounds about what you'd be doing on your own anyway, you could sign up and follow the pace group. If you're not going for one of those round numbers then a lot more self-discipline is needed
http://irish3quartermarathon.ie/faq/0 -
I am!! Some friends did it and highly recommend it as prep for marathon. I am quite excited about it.
Glubs... just read Firedance post. Oh well! I reg'ed month ago... i have to motivate myself
There's a few novices doing it I know, anyone's who's already signed up it's fine - I did this in 2014 and really enjoyed it, however ....I ran it slightly too fast, not a lot but enough to be a problem, so those who are doing it need to be very very strict with themselves especially when they have no pacers to follow 0 -
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