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whelan2 · 31-07-2016 08:41PM

stanflt wrote: »

Jeez lads give it a rest- I've f all in all those schemes but my milk price from Jan - June was 28.3 cpl
Stop blaming everyone else

out of interest what was other peoples price from jan-june?

jaymla627 · 31-07-2016 09:19PM

whelan2 wrote: »

out of interest what was other peoples price from jan-june?

25.8 cent here at 3.8% bf 3.43 pr, down a cent on this price between share repayments and superlevy

pedigree 6 · 31-07-2016 09:50PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Grass yesterday.

No grass to milk there.
Do you grow different grass varieties to us to withstand drought conditions?
Plus more nosyness, you were talking about setting up an irrigation system are you going to use it just for tillage or grass as well?

Water John · 31-07-2016 10:06PM

You mention no grass to milk, Ped. I think this is what Sean O'Sullivan of Dragons Den invested in:

Muufri
(Lab-grown milk)

Muufri milk-free milk
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We already have many plant-based alternatives to cow’s milk (almond and soy, for example), but none tastes quite like the real thing. However, many dairy cows suffer in poor conditions to produce it. This prompted two students studying in the US to enter and win a $30,000 research competition, funding their work on Muufri, a tasty but “humane” milk.

In a lab in Cork, Ireland, they transferred DNA from cows into yeast cells to produce the real proteins found in cow’s milk. The pair then added other natural ingredients of milk such as calcium and potassium, but used a different sugar molecule to make it suitable for the lactose-intolerant. Due to the controversy and suspicion surrounding lab-grown foods, Muufri will only be unveiled when it is believed to be near-perfect. The product is expected to launch late next year, but will initially be twice as expensive as cow’s milk.

Timmaay · 31-07-2016 10:10PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

25.8 cent here at 3.8% bf 3.43 pr, down a cent on this price between share repayments and superlevy

Net price 24.3c, actual paid price including all bonuses/vat etc 25.5c. Nothing fixed, but small liquid milk quota, and an even smaller winter bonus. 50% of the milk was supplied in may and June. Pr 3.42, bf 3.91.

blackdog1 · 31-07-2016 10:32PM

Net price 28.28 that includes winter milk bonus.4.12 fat 3.46 protein
Dairygold supplier. Think it's skewed a bit as we get paid our whole bonus is 1 month.

pedigree 6 · 31-07-2016 10:34PM

Water John wrote: »

You mention no grass to milk, Ped. I think this is what Sean O'Sullivan of Dragons Den invested in:

Muufri
(Lab-grown milk)

Muufri milk-free milk
Facebook Twitter Pinterest
We already have many plant-based alternatives to cow’s milk (almond and soy, for example), but none tastes quite like the real thing. However, many dairy cows suffer in poor conditions to produce it. This prompted two students studying in the US to enter and win a $30,000 research competition, funding their work on Muufri, a tasty but “humane” milk.

In a lab in Cork, Ireland, they transferred DNA from cows into yeast cells to produce the real proteins found in cow’s milk. The pair then added other natural ingredients of milk such as calcium and potassium, but used a different sugar molecule to make it suitable for the lactose-intolerant. Due to the controversy and suspicion surrounding lab-grown foods, Muufri will only be unveiled when it is believed to be near-perfect. The product is expected to launch late next year, but will initially be twice as expensive as cow’s milk.

I can't see it being a success.
Could be famous last words though.
But I can't see people drinking fertiliser.

Was at a street festival in gorey today and there was singing and vintage cars and tractors and then an open farm had pens of farm animals as well.
Honest to god you think it was a zoo on the street.
There was hipsters with the skinny jeans and their children and the way they were looking at calves and sheep you knew well they never saw them up close before. It was like showing kangaroos and hyenas to you or me.

kevthegaff · 31-07-2016 10:39PM

Water John wrote:

In a lab in Cork, Ireland, they transferred DNA from cows into yeast cells to produce the real proteins found in cowâ€™s milk. The pair then added other natural ingredients of milk such as calcium and potassium, but used a different sugar molecule to make it suitable for the lactose-intolerant. Due to the controversy and suspicion surrounding lab-grown foods, Muufri will only be unveiled when it is believed to be near-perfect. The product is expected to launch late next year, but will initially be twice as expensive as cowâ€™s milk.

I believe but wish to think otherwise that this could replace our existing milk in the future. I'm friendly with a ps couple who are moving to soya milk due to the neighbour being rough with his cows. This attitude is starting to creep in right or wrong. Could this end the slavery for man and beast lol?

kevthegaff · 31-07-2016 10:39PM

Water John wrote:

In a lab in Cork, Ireland, they transferred DNA from cows into yeast cells to produce the real proteins found in cowâ€™s milk. The pair then added other natural ingredients of milk such as calcium and potassium, but used a different sugar molecule to make it suitable for the lactose-intolerant. Due to the controversy and suspicion surrounding lab-grown foods, Muufri will only be unveiled when it is believed to be near-perfect. The product is expected to launch late next year, but will initially be twice as expensive as cowâ€™s milk.

I believe but wish to think otherwise that this could replace our existing milk in the future. I'm friendly with a ps couple who are moving to soya milk due to the neighbour being rough with his cows. This attitude is starting to creep in right or wrong. Could this end the slavery for man and beast lol?

jaymla627 · 31-07-2016 10:48PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

I believe but wish to think otherwise that this could replace our existing milk in the future. I'm friendly with a ps couple who are moving to soya milk due to the neighbour being rough with his cows. This attitude is starting to creep in right or wrong. Could this end the slavery for man and beast lol?

Ice - cream butter and chocolate will mean their will always be a demand for cows milk, plus infant formula etc, the biggest issue is will it be worthwhile/financially viable for lads to continue milking cows...
it's a really funny game that's being played by all the big mnc's that are creaming it at the minute at the expense of the dairy farmer, their simply pushing us to the brink hoping the majority will hang in their and maybe throw a carrot in a few months time re higher milk prices to keep our business half viable, but I reckon their has never been a time worldwide where their has been so many disillusioned dairy farmers wondering what's the point and thinking of pulling the pin....
Sentiment and out attachment to the cows is in alot of cases keeps us pulling ourselves out of bed every morning but theirs only so much that lads can take

Timmaay · 31-07-2016 11:53PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

I believe but wish to think otherwise that this could replace our existing milk in the future. I'm friendly with a ps couple who are moving to soya milk due to the neighbour being rough with his cows. This attitude is starting to creep in right or wrong. Could this end the slavery for man and beast lol?

I'd largely agree, plus as the world population keeps on growing, alongside climate change and shifting weather patterns etc, the pressure could well come on "inefficient conventional milk" from cows, especially the indoor grain fed. Grass based dairying might avoid the full impact of this if it can be shown that grassland sequences carbon to a good degree. That's all 10/20years down the line so not something I'd let impact inside the gate decisions here (medium term anyways, I never plan more than 5yrs ahead), however it's another reason against throwing all our eggs into the bottom end world powder market like we appear to be doing now at a national level.

Timmaay · 31-07-2016 11:58PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Ice - cream butter and chocolate will mean their will always be a demand for cows milk, plus infant formula etc, the biggest issue is will it be worthwhile/financially viable for lads to continue milking cows...
it's a really funny game that's being played by all the big mnc's that are creaming it at the minute at the expense of the dairy farmer, their simply pushing us to the brink hoping the majority will hang in their and maybe throw a carrot in a few months time re higher milk prices to keep our business half viable, but I reckon their has never been a time worldwide where their has been so many disillusioned dairy farmers wondering what's the point and thinking of pulling the pin....
Sentiment and out attachment to the cows is in alot of cases keeps us pulling ourselves out of bed every morning but theirs only so much that lads can take

All they need to do is ensure enough farmers become sufficiently indebt to the point they have zero choice but to plough on through. Which we see already with the insane level of borrowing with dairyfarmers in Holland, Germany etc. Another reason why moving forward I will refuse to become heavy indebt to the farm here, I want a reasonably easy exit path nearby if worst comes to worst.

jaymla627 · 01-08-2016 12:28AM

Timmaay wrote: »

All they need to do is ensure enough farmers become sufficiently indebt to the point they have zero choice but to plough on through. Which we see already with the insane level of borrowing with dairyfarmers in Holland, Germany etc. Another reason why moving forward I will refuse to become heavy indebt to the farm here, I want a reasonably easy exit path nearby if worst comes to worst.

Preaching to the converted here, have seen first hand where piling on debt and more cows has lead to the whole show going bang, re debt levels their will have to come a point where the banks financing these farms carrying 8 k plus a cow debts simply shout stop, with so much cheap money about and low intrest rates/zero inflation they can postpone the inevitable and keep these guys on life - support but it can't go on indefinetley, simply makes no sense that a hectare of land in denmark/new Zealand is valued at and financed at levels of over 20000 euro when similar land in Eastern Europe is being sold at 2000-3000 euro/ha our less where is the logic

mahoney_j · 01-08-2016 10:03AM

whelan2 wrote: »

out of interest what was other peoples price from jan-june?

25.3 from coop report ,no liquid ,fixed etc

jack o shea · 01-08-2016 11:01AM

Sorry for posting this again lads but has any dairy farmer any experience of Belmac toppers? Or any of their stuff,good or bad.

mahoney_j · 01-08-2016 11:03AM

jack o shea wrote: »

Sorry for posting this again lads but has any dairy farmer any experience of Belmac toppers? Or any of their stuff,good or bad.

None here jack but why not a mower ,u can mow paddocks and if topping a cleaner job

jack o shea · 01-08-2016 11:20AM

Never really thought about a mower mahoney, do you have one urself? Got a price of 4400 for a new belmac topper which seems decent price just don't know much about them.

C0N0R · 01-08-2016 11:35AM

27 cent on the nose, good bit of liquid and poor solids

Buford T. Justice XIX · 01-08-2016 11:35AM

jack o shea wrote: »

Never really thought about a mower mahoney, do you have one urself? Got a price of 4400 for a new belmac topper which seems decent price just don't know much about them.

I bought a 4yo Claas Disco 2650, 9ft cut last year for 5500 which cuts a fair few acres of paddocks every year and does my topping too. It's not a whole lot dearer than that topper and does a whole lot more. It's worth thinking about anyway.

mahoney_j · 01-08-2016 11:38AM

jack o shea wrote: »

Never really thought about a mower mahoney, do you have one urself? Got a price of 4400 for a new belmac topper which seems decent price just don't know much about them.

9ft krone mower jack,way better option as it allows you now grass yourself and as I said if you want too it dose a clean job tbh I know nothing about bel macs

mahoney_j · 01-08-2016 11:38AM

C0N0R wrote: »

27 cent on the nose, good bit of liquid and poor solids

How's things in Saudi Conor

jack o shea · 01-08-2016 11:54AM

Is there much work changing settings from mowing to topping lads?

freedominacup · 01-08-2016 12:14PM

jack o shea wrote: »

Is there much work changing settings from mowing to topping lads?

With a hydraulic top link it takes about a second and burns around two calories. Real hardship.

blackdog1 · 01-08-2016 04:03PM

What are you lads paying for CAN at the moment?

leg wax · 01-08-2016 04:32PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

What are you lads paying for CAN at the moment?

218 last bit.

blackdog1 · 01-08-2016 04:42PM

leg wax wrote:

218 last bit.

Is that delivered and top lift and what make? Haven't called my local rep yet. Just doing a bit of price research first

freedominacup · 01-08-2016 05:41PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Is that delivered and top lift and what make? Haven't called my local rep yet. Just doing a bit of price research first

Far too expensive compared to urea. At least 20% dearer per unit of N.

stanflt · 01-08-2016 05:46PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Is that delivered and top lift and what make? Haven't called my local rep yet. Just doing a bit of price research first

I know lads buying it for sub 200 and a by a good bit sub 200- top lift delivered
I think it's a foreign brand

blackdog1 · 01-08-2016 06:12PM

stanflt wrote:

I know lads buying it for sub 200 and a by a good bit sub 200- top lift delivered I think it's a foreign brand[/quote

Is it working OK for them? Do they deliver to Cork?

stanflt · 01-08-2016 06:20PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

stanflt wrote:

I know lads buying it for sub 200 and a by a good bit sub 200- top lift delivered I think it's a foreign brand[/quote

Is it working OK for them? Do they deliver to Cork?

It's probably the best quality fert on the market according to them- most consistent granule size etc

Sure there's a new depot in cork where it comes in

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