Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

kowtow

stanflt wrote: »

No it's not- I've been buying for last 10yrs

Got 127 litres last yr when I applied for 2000

Do you have to buy it in the co-op you use it in, i.e. can you take it with you?

stanflt

kowtow wrote: »

Do you have to buy it in the co-op you use it in, i.e. can you take it with you?

Yes only in co op it's bought- it must be sold before you leave or you lose it

OverRide

kowtow wrote: »

Do you have to buy it in the co-op you use it in, i.e. can you take it with you?

Yes,your own co op in the case of premier Glanbia anyway
I'm aware of plenty moving in the last decade usually via an auctioneer privately through the landowner but more formally now through Glanbia and in amounts of between 4 and 800 litres
I cannot vouch for this year but know any amount of it could be got in the last decade
Auctioneers couldn't sell it at one stage

Buying 400 litres a day means you get liquid price on that 400 litres daily or 160,000 litres in a year

So in my experience I can't fathom someone saying they couldn't get it or that it's restricted them going fully liquid

stanflt

OverRide wrote: »

Yes,your own co op in the case of premier Glanbia anyway
I'm aware of plenty moving in the last decade usually via an auctioneer privately through the landowner but more formally now through Glanbia and in amounts of between 4 and 800 litres
I cannot vouch for this year but know any amount of it could be got in the last decade
Auctioneers couldn't sell it at one stage

Buying 400 litres a day means you get liquid price on that 400 litres daily or 160,000 litres in a year

So in my experience I can't fathom someone saying they couldn't get it or that it's restricted them going fully liquid

Man where are you getting these figures

400 litres a day is only 73000 a year
And it's been traded thru the co op for the last number of yrs

OverRide

400 litres times 365 days is 146000 annually where I went to school yeah

stanflt

OverRide wrote: »

400 litres times 365 days is 146000 annually where I went to school yeah

7 cpl every day for 6 months- not 12 months

Ring your co op manager and try to buy a 1000 litre of liquid and let us know how you get on

Timmaay

I don't actually know the reason why yourman hasn't gone all autumn ha, I jsut took a guess he couldn't get sufficient liquid, maybe it's fertility issues, or labour at calving etc.

OverRide

stanflt wrote: »

7 cpl every day for 6 months- not 12

Uhm no ,and yes
What you get depends on what fmp negotiate and you must supply it every day not just 6 months

stanflt

OverRide wrote: »

Uhm no ,and yes
What you get depends on what fmp negotiate and you must supply it every day not just 6 months

No penalty for not supplying in other months

Timmaay

stanflt wrote: »

No penalty for not supplying in other months

What is the penalty for not hitting the liquid quota in the winter months? Do they base it on the full month or individual collections? I'm going to be very tight in late Jan!!

whelan2

Mustnt be too much work going on on some dairy farms looking at the above posts

OverRide

stanflt wrote: »

No penalty for not supplying in other months

Incorrect
You don't supply,you lose it

stanflt

OverRide wrote: »

Incorrect
You don't supply,you lose it

Incorrect during summer months- I rang about going all Autumn and asked if I dried all cows for 6 weeks would I lose liquid and was told no

Keepgrowing

mahoney_j wrote: »

Would make perfect sense if all milk was contracted through ,liquid/winter baileys type scheme .calve from late September to early mid December ,cows on steady indoor diet and hit high steady peak then from Feb /March on hit grass and watch the solids rise on small ammount of meal .

Yea and dry off in July just in case the grass was t up to scratch

Keepgrowing

OverRide wrote: »

Liquid quota is plentiful to buy inside Glanbia and has been for years!
At times it couldn't be sold for lack of demand
I did know one 100% Autumn herd but they sold the herd and went into something else
Speaks volumes

Can only be bought by existing contracted farmers

Timmaay

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Yea and dry off in July just in case the grass was t up to scratch

With the drought risk here then it actually wouldn't be the worst idea for us either! Loads of tillage lads around me willing to sell winter fodder also. Only investment needed would be a diet feeder and 1500-2kl/day liquid quota ha!

The only question, will Glanbia keep paying 7c/l liquid bonus moving forward?? I say that in the context of spring lads willing to milk thro the winter without any bonus!

Keepgrowing

Timmaay wrote: »

With the drought risk here then it actually wouldn't be the worst idea for us either! Loads of tillage lads around me willing to sell winter fodder also. Only investment needed would be a diet feeder and 1500-2kl/day liquid quota ha!

The only question, will Glanbia keep paying 7c/l liquid bonus moving forward?? I say that in the context of spring lads willing to milk thro the winter without any bonus!

Do a good bit of winter here and have to say it's a lovely time to calve cows.
Would love to get my hands on more liquid contract

stanflt

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Do a good bit of winter here and have to say it's a lovely time to calve cows.
Would love to get my hands on more liquid contract

My most profitable cows calve in October and November

Keepgrowing

stanflt wrote: »

My most profitable cows calve in October and November

Mine don't because they're mostly carry overs iykwim
However once calved are more profitable than any others.
I'd like to increase winter supply as my expansion has diluted my contract

stanflt

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Mine don't because they're mostly carry overs iykwim
However once calved are more profitable than any others.
I'd like to increase winter supply as my expansion has diluted my contract

What's a carryover cow !!!!! Got rid of them years ago


Only carry 1-2 really good cows

Timmaay

Must be near 10mm of rain in two glorious showers this afternoon. The definition of happiness during the summer here ha!

visatorro

I dunno stan is there much of a margin between them for the extra hassle involved? Not gonna to start a row and know you'd be doing the figures but MJ and brown podzol milk cows similar to yours and are very happy.
Suppose it does boil down to lifestyle choice. And the dependence on hired labour.

OverRide

stanflt wrote: »

Incorrect during summer months- I rang about going all Autumn and asked if I dried all cows for 6 weeks would I lose liquid and was told no

Agreed Autumn calving jobs are not what We were talking about
I accept your point on them of course but it's not evidence to back up your claim earlier that liquid needs only supplying for 6 months!
what did they say if you didn't supply it all during the other 46 weeks of the year?
I'll tell you
You lose it

So are we agreed now as to why your assertion that liquid contracts are for six months only with no consequences outside of that is wrong
And You probably know now that's what I was talking about in the case of the majority of liquid suppliers and it also applies to the Autumn example you brought up


In Timmays all year round supply (unless as above,which his isn't,it's an agreed Autumn contract) it's gone if not supplied

Probably 9 out of 10 cases in liquid as 100% Autumn calvers are like hens teeth

To be honest,in my opinion anyone would be stone mad to go fully Autumn calving

Keepgrowing

stanflt wrote: »

What's a carryover cow !!!!! Got rid of them years ago


Only carry 1-2 really good cows

Me bollix

Mooooo

On full autumn calving I'd say it's a bit too much as part of the advantage of split calving, bar this year, is with the milk supply spread out the price may be better at different times of year not as dependant on may or June price. I find Oct Nov ideal for calving but the idea of the whole herd bulling inside wouldn't sit well either so if all autumn would probably calve earlier to have as many bred before full time housing, which leads to end of summer calving which is grand for actual calving but not great as grass growth return poorly used with dry cows and feed quality of grass reducing for freshly calved cows which is not the best for the cow. Oct Nov ideal time to calve as can calve outside most years and cows heading for a consistent diet inside so well set up for the lactation, a lot of autumn calvers here match the spring ladies for kgs and/ or yield each day till dry off

leg wax

guys first time going to use copper sulphate in foot bath for the ladies, what weight of it do i put into per 100 ltrs of water, plus have you any other tips please,
thanks legs.

Buford T. Justice XIX

leg wax wrote: »

guys first time going to use copper sulphate in foot bath for the ladies, what weight of it do i put into per 100 ltrs of water, plus have you any other tips please,
thanks legs.

There is a few bits on here...

http://cal.vet.upenn.edu/projects/fieldservice/Dairy/LAMENESS/footbath.htm

Command

We use washing up liquid as well it helps it stick

Buford T. Justice XIX

British link but same probably applies here as well.

https://twitter.com/1noeloconnor/status/761593051080978432

stretch film

Gr 40 kgs for last 10 days.
Put in some silage to maids and milkers will buy me some days.
Want to have grass back up and a simple system in place when we go on hols .