Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

The reason oranbhoy blocked you, giacomo, was for the very good reason that you came into the thread with a series of bizarre personal attacks, which you seem to have waited for a good opportunity to launch again. As far as I can see, and I have been reading the thread for several weeks, the claims in your post seem to be completely without merit, unless perhaps you have some proof that the protest at Ballyshannon Garda station was made up of hundreds of "rabid political shinners" rather than local people.

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

I've lost track of how many people he's blocked now. Anyone that asks hims questions he doesn't want asked gets blocked.
I've asked fair and obvious questions, questions he did not want asked, particulary about his constant bad mouthing of Mary's mother, who's not here to defend herself. Finding Mary is always the secondary concern. That's what set the alarm bells ringing for me, and now other posters are working it out as well. And at least have the basic decency to quote me properly, rather than making up what I've said.

There's a distinct air of bad-cop aggression from you, Giacomo. I quoted you perfectly accurately. If I quoted you in a context which was different to the way you intended it, perhaps you could clarify.

As far as I can remember, oranbhoy blocked you and one other person, who was banned from the thread as a troll.

As to your allegation above that I have bolded, you are the only one making that.

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

I see you edited gardai to bad cop.
Have you had a lot of dealings with the Gardai by any chance I wonder ? That would explain a few things on this thread.

Your logic that anyone who disagrees with you (or indeed doesn't subscribe to the particular narrative that you are trying to establish) is a shinner/criminal is somewhat faulty. It is the kind of mindset that has done a lot of damage to the reputation of the Gardaí in recent years, incidentally.

On Going Forward's post, I would agree that a legal team with a good record in human rights work is sorely needed at this juncture.

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Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

As you know I don't beat about the bush. The reason why you are rapidly loosing support on here, is that most neutral observers here are being expected by you to take sides in a very sad family feud,this is more than "a family feud" and youu have been anything but neutral join in with demonisation of the mother, and become rabid political shinners all at the same time,what has sinn fein got to do with anything I have said?? and if they don't tick all your boxes and they smell any rats, or ask too many questions, they are put on your ignore list. Most of the locals stayed away from the recent political protest Marches for those very reasons.we organised 1 march. just under 1000 people turned up , not bad for a small enough town like Ballyshannon on the back of a Youtube documentary You're not listening. Ordinary people are sick of politics and everything being politicised, including Mary's disappearance. Meanwhile perfectly good recent leads about where the original tracker dog indicated where to excavate for evidence are being ignored because they are not politically exciting enough. Well balls to that. You count a recent lead as being one from 1977?? with this case it cant help being politicised as we believe that a politician is at the very heart of it .. what political grouping ran the march in Ballyshannon please tell me? it was made very clear from the start it was to be apolitical and it was

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

I've lost track of how many people he's blocked now. ill help you out there - two , the troll who was banned eventually & you , I unblocked you the last day cos it looked to me from the replies i could see from you quoted on other peoples post that you were wanting to discuss the case civilly and not keep throwing questions at me that you know I couldnt answer, how wrong was I the minute you see you are unblocked you are baring your teeth again Anyone that asks hims questions he doesn't want asked gets blocked. give me some questions that you think I dont want asked and i will answer if A) the question isnt one I have already answered to you or it would possibly prejudice any trial
I've asked fair and obvious questions, questions he did not want asked, particulary about his constant bad mouthing of Mary's mother, who's not here to defend herself. funny I saw her defending herself and going in the attack in the Sunday world the day after our march Finding Mary always seems to be a secondary agenda of this thread, when it should be the first. Pushing politics and promoting/prolonging a tragic family fued between mother and daughter seems to be more important. That's what set the alarm bells ringing for me, and now other posters are working it out as well. And at least have the basic decency to quote me properly, rather than making up what I've said.Thats my Auntie and my cousin so I think I know just a little bit more about it than you.. ill answer questions all day I wont repeat the same answers over and over which you expected me to do and I won't answer questions that could prejudice any future trial again something you expected me to do , if you look back, however you will see that I answered you over and over again only for you to keep repeating the same question that is why I blocked you. maybe it is my paranoia getting the better of me but ive only had cross words with 4 people on this thread , apart from Jenny Smith the other 3 all had very similar sounding user names all ending in a O and all 3 were also created this month. probably just a coincidence

Going Forward wrote: »

There's definitely a need to get real here.

No one seems to know if there's any complaint about anything to do with the case with GSOC, yet it's front page news that a complaint about not being informed about a search is.

That's a basic question that people claiming corruption should be able to answer.
Has anyone made an official complaint about ANY of it? I don't know.

Nor does anyone seem to know whether the 2 gardai have made official statements in the light of their beliefs that are now in the public domain.

Similarly the apparent reluctance to get some basic legal advice.

OB if you are reading, these are things that need to be fixed fast IMO.

And I would steer very clear of politicising it.

People won't want to know about it.

People will focus on any they see as having an axe to grind and not on Mary.

there is definitely a complaint in with the GSOC apart from the latest one that is 100%

My cousin has one of the best Lawyers in the country , I dont need one yet .

Im not trying to politicise anything , I believe there was a politician involved in helping to cover up Marys case its as simple as that, he happens to be FF , if he was FG SF labour etc i wouldnt care less he just happens to be FF, as does the person I believe killed my cousin.. my own political views are Liberal Socialist & Republican , I don't believe in the party system anymore and my no 1 vote went to Thomas Pringle in the election.

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

To be fair, I thought the same, until I went out of my way to read and listen to the full interviews with her, rather than the very selectively quoted, very short, out of context extracts that were presented here and in some of the gutter press. That's when I started asking some questions of my own about what was being alleged on this thread about Mary's mother, and panic then ensued.

it was me that posted the only audio interview here of Marys Mother talking about her Daughter "running to dails& westminsters etc" the only other place I have saw her talking about her Daughters campaign is in the Sunday World article I mentioned earlier where she said the March for Mary had nothing to do with her as her family wasn't there despite her Daughter, son in law , 4 Grandkids and her husbands 2 nephews being there leading the way ...
Can you link me to any other Audio Interviews or Articles that you have went out of your way to track down? I genuinely would be very Interested in what she has to say and figure out for myself why.

to remind you of the question you kept asking me and why I originally blocked you because you wouldn't accept my answer- was what were Marys mother's thoughts on her daughter Anns campaign?

To which I told you I couldn't answer that as I dont speak for her so I could only go by her comments on it, on the radio and in the Sunday world which I then uploaded the full audio of the first and linked here to the second.. so unless you can find me any other article where you see Marys Mother discuss her daughter's campaign then respectfully you haven't "went out of your way" to find any such thing and AFAIK no such other articles or audio interviews exist if they do please link me to them as I love to understand myself why she wouldn't consider us as being family anymore, as so far all we have done is tried our best to find out who killed her daughter and where she is buried.

tayto lover wrote: »

I hope it's a different Derek Byrne.
That lad would do absolutely nothing for any cause. In fact his presence would have the opposite effect. This cause deserves much better.
I would love to see this case solved in my lifetime. My mother, God rest her, prayed every night and lit candles every Sunday at mass for Mary Boyle. This little girl deserves a proper burial if dead and her relatives deserve justice and an end to their pain.

Yes I think it is the same guy but he had changed his name on facebook so we didnt know who it was but we knew it was water campaigners behind it

The thing is we cant stop others marching as far as I know, and tbf we asked them to keep the march dignified and from what I have seen they did so.

We are going to set up some kind of committee or similar to organise future vigils etc we had a vigil planned for dubln ourselves and may do so yet .

We appreciate what they did in Dublin yesterday though.

On to the whole politician/ gardai corruption thing, yeah I think as much as can be said has been said for the time being from ourselves and it just further muddies the waters tbh and right now behind the scenes our full concentration is on finding Mary & bringing her remains home

Giacomo did you remove your post where you consider anyone who supports our campaign a "wild anti-european, anti-republican (?) Fantasist"

Time to put you back on ignore, with statements like that it seems you are trying your best to cause trying to cause friction and imo to derail

mikeymouse wrote: »

Oranbhoy, you're doing a sterling job thus far,
don't allow yourself to be sidetracked, and find yourself in a slanging match with
keyboard warriors and so get yourself banned......again.
We need you on here to keep the thread alive.

By the way did you see Google street map photoshopped the entrance
to the old family home?

Thank you very much I appreciate that

I saw the google street map view which shows Marys Uncle gerry working in a field if thats what you mean?

Burtman wrote: »

This thread may have thousands of replies as you put it but youve obviously read none of them, that information is available in the very first post!!

Question for Oranboy - wasnt there a cross erected for mary and wasnt it pulled down or removed?

yes there was a Cross erected for her on Swampy bogland up behind were she went missing where the Gardai and others believed she may have been Dumped/fell into depending on your point of view

The Gardai searched it thoroughly in 1994 and at that time the cross was removed during the night