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Woman attacked clondalkin...

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  • #32
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Gatling wrote: »
    Enlighten us all

    Someone posted a good explanation which seems to have been deleted. It's possible the group were hanging around the area and they might have been picked up on the dashcam of a passing motorist.


  • #33
    Spanish Eyes
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Ahh more of the victim blaming

    Did I blame the victim here? I just gave my own opinion of that stretch of road, for good or bad.

    And to be fair, 3am is not a good time to be out alone either. No matter what sex, gender, age you are.

    There is freedom, and there is common sense.


  • #34
    MonsterCookie
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    Sensitivities...that happened before (I think in Tallaght) when the suspects were black to avoid local hard shaws taking it out on anybody fitting that rather loose description.


  • #35
    tomofson
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    TheDarter wrote: »
    Why are you so confused by the sensitivity if you know it all?

    I dont know it all it was just an assumption on my part I am aware I could very well be wrong...


  • #36
    Hrududu
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    According to reports I've read the lady was either pushing the bike or cycling at around 3am.

    I wouldn't even drive that road at that hour. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying that, but it's the truth.
    She might have been on her way home from work.

    For some reason I always felt cycling home would be safer than walking as you think you can just cycle away from any potential trouble. This is just chilling


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  • #37
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Did I blame the victim here? I just gave my own opinion of that stretch of road, for good or bad.

    And to be fair, 3am is not a good time to be out alone either. No matter what sex, gender, age you are.

    There is freedom, and there is common sense.

    Why mention it then?


  • #38
    strandroad
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Did I blame the victim here? I just gave my own opinion of that stretch of road, for good or bad.

    And to be fair, 3am is not a good time to be out alone either. No matter what sex, gender, age you are.

    There is freedom, and there is common sense.

    You'd have to ban shift work.


  • #39
    Spanish Eyes
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    Hrududu wrote: »
    She might have been on her way home from work.

    For some reason I always felt cycling home would be safer than walking as you think you can just cycle away from any potential trouble. This is just chilling

    I know some people will take my posts and fillet them. That's fine, open forum, obeying the charter and all that.

    But yes, it is awful. However, if she was working say in a bar/restaurant or that, I always thought the employer would make sure the employees got home safely if they didn't have their own four wheeled (safer) transport. But maybe that's all gone now.


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Did I blame the victim here? I just gave my own opinion of that stretch of road, for good or bad.

    And to be fair, 3am is not a good time to be out alone either. No matter what sex, gender, age you are.

    There is freedom, and there is common sense.

    Maybe the victim was on her way from work?
    Maybe she doesn't earn much?
    Maybe she doesn't have/ can't afford a car?
    Maybe she was in a friends house who needed her?

    The point is, it doesn't matter whether you would travel this road, the victim did, for whatever reasons & she should be entitled to use whatever road she needed to, to get home.


  • #41
    FalconGirl
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Enlighten us all

    As quite a few cars travel that road at all hours a dash cam might have captured footage of pedestrians in the general area at 3am which in itself would be unusual on a Thursday morning. They can use it in conjunction with surveillance footage of nearby premises to trace movements.


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  • #42
    tomofson
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    Dahnald Trump wrote: »
    Why the hell haven't the guards released a description of the attackers? Are we heading towards continental style censorship on these matters?

    Because of nonspecific "sensitivities"


  • #43
    anewme
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    I don't think people are victim blaming here. You should be able to go where you like without any bother.

    I have family living VERY near and if I'm visiting, car door is locked, and I always say if anyone comes near car if I'm stopped at lights, then it's them or me and I'm just not stopping.

    My first thoughts this morning when I heard was God love her, she must have not known the area.


  • #44
    tomofson
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    TheDarter wrote: »
    Oh if they were local white lads they'd be named and shamed withing minutes. We can't be upsetting those poor Muslims through.

    You do realize Muslims can be white dont you??? Take your xenophobic agenda elsewhere we all know quite well these where not Muslims... We have our own home grown rapists here to ye know...


  • #45
    [Deleted User]
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    Dahnald Trump wrote: »
    Why the hell haven't the guards released a description of the attackers? Are we heading towards continental style censorship on these matters?

    Guards don't usually release descriptions of attackers straight after incidents.

    For a start, it stops people coming forward with information that they think is not relevant


  • #46
    eviltwin
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    TheDarter wrote: »
    Oh if they were local white lads they'd be named and shamed withing minutes. We can't be upsetting those poor Muslims through.

    I reckon the attacker's were travellers. There's a halting site not far from there that could and probably would be targeted.


  • #47
    tomofson
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    I reckon the attacker's were travellers. There's a halting site not far from there that could and probably would be targeted.

    Now that did come to my mind to, and that particular halting site is known for that kind of thing if you get my drift... The halting site would never be targeted though. Worse than this incident has happened in them halting sites and the residents are to cowardly to stand up to travellers.


  • #48
    tomofson
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    Dahnald Trump wrote: »
    **** that. Get a description out there.

    I agree, its in the public's best interest.


  • #49
    GLaDOS
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    I cannot fathom the horror this woman has gone through. I can only hope she receives the love and support to get through this ordeal.

    The "men" responsible are subhuman scum.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #50
    dark crystal
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    I can't imagine what this poor woman is going through right now. Horrific.

    I really hope the scum who did this are found and face the full extent of the law. Given the conviction rates for rape in this country however, I don't hold out too much hope of a sturdy sentence. It wouldn't surprise me if those responsible have done something like this before and yet are still out walking the streets.


  • #51
    tomofson
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    TheDarter wrote: »
    Tell me how do you know they were not Muslims since they "can be any colour" ect ect

    Its just sort of obvious they weren't, tell me how your so cocksure that they are???


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  • #52
    r93kaey5p2izun
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    Seriously! Ordinary people live and work in the area. People have to go about their daily lives - we can't all live in lovely areas or just lock ourselves in. No, most people aren't out and about at that hour but plenty of reasons why you might be. Ive walked that stretch late enough myself countless times. It's beside a Garda station for God's sake! This is just shocking no matter what hour it happened.


  • #53
    strandroad
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    Most likely they have them already and don't want to publish any potentially identifying information to prevent vigilantism.


  • #54
    tomwaterford
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    Dahnald Trump wrote: »
    **** that. Get a description out there.

    I'm presuming the guards have quite high probability of knowing who the attackers are and are trying to track them down? ?


  • #55
    tomofson
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    TheDarter wrote: »
    So you answer my question with the very same question? I don't know, but I do know if it were a "normal" group of white Irish lads they'd be named.

    Muslims or travelers, we can't be upsetting the poor minoritys

    If its either one its the latter.


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
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    do I need to say it again?

    bubblypop wrote: »
    Guards don't usually release descriptions of attackers straight after incidents.

    For a start, it stops people coming forward with information that they think is not relevant


  • #57
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    TheDarter wrote: »
    So you answer my question with the very same question? I don't know, but I do know if it were a "normal" group of white Irish lads they'd be named.

    Muslims or travelers, we can't be upsetting the poor minoritys

    You can't put innocent people at risk either. Emotions are running high, people are angry and all vigilantes need is a general description and they will go on a hunt.


  • #58
    andekwarhola
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    tomofson wrote: »
    I doubt you would offend anyone by saying that, its a dangerous area thats well known, a lot of bogey characters entering and leaving at all times.

    I'm not sure that specific spot is incredibly rough if it's where I'm thinking of although it's close enough to Neilstown IIRC

    Just because somewhere is rough doesn't mean it's a rape epidemic area either. Sex crimes can happen anywhere.


  • #59
    eviltwin
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    tomofson wrote: »
    If its either one its the latter.

    That media outlet you mentioned says they are Irish....make of that what you will


  • #60
    Spanish Eyes
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    Lia Broad Jellybean wrote: »
    Seriously! Ordinary people live and work in the area. People have to go about their daily lives - we can't all live in lovely areas or just lock ourselves in. No, most people aren't out and about at that hour but plenty of reasons why you might be. Ive walked that stretch late enough myself countless times. It's beside a Garda station for God's sake! This is just shocking no matter what hour it happened.

    It is shocking, I am not minimising the trauma the woman experienced.

    But it is nowhere near the Garda Station, that is up in the village opposite the Mill Centre.

    Anyhow, being close to a Garda Station is absolutely no guarantee that you will be safe either. If they are not out on patrol in the exact place and time, how would they know? Same goes for most crimes committed here.


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
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    TheDarter wrote: »
    So you answer my question with the very same question? I don't know, but I do know if it were a "normal" group of white Irish lads they'd be named and shamed

    No, they wouldn't, not by the gardai anyway.

    If you could link to some reports of attacks where gardai have issued a description the following day, I'd be very interested


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