Woman attacked clondalkin...

tomofson

Anyone see the horrendous news today about the female cyclist viciously attacked in clondalkin??? It came to my mind while reading through the article that a notorious criminal from that area was released from prison recently... I know he has a history of attacks on women maybe there could be a connection there...

However the media are saying their is sensitivities around the suspects descriptions, whatever thats supposed to mean...

Specialun

Dublin forum >>>>>>>>>>>>>

steddyeddy

Specialun wrote: »

Dublin forum >>>>>>>>>>>>>

In fairness I think it is important to the whole country. Maybe it will spur someone with some information to go to the gaurds.

failinis

steddyeddy wrote: »

Specialun wrote: »

Dublin forum >>>>>>>>>>>>>

In fairness I think it is important to the whole country. Maybe it will spur someone with some information to go to the gaurds.

I seen the police are asking for any dash cam footage from the area (not sure of the times) but if anyone has any please submit it.

tomofson

failinis wrote: »

I seen the police are asking for any dash cam footage from the area (not sure of the times) but if anyone has any please submit it.

Strange thing to ask for in a case like this...

strandroad

tomofson wrote: »

Strange thing to ask for in a case like this...

Why? It was just off the road. Someone may have captured them going there or leaving.

Ted111

You wouldn't know who'd be traveling around there.

tomofson

mhge wrote: »

Why? It was just off the road. Someone may have captured them going there or leaving.

I don't know it just seemed a little strange... If anyone caught it on their dash cam they must have seen it so why didn't they stop and help?
Someone being in the area is not enough for a charge there must be more to it than that...

Ted111

dna sample will get the charge.
camera footage will get the sample donar.

r93kaey5p2izun

tomofson wrote: »

I don't know it just seemed a little strange... If anyone caught it on their dash cam they must have seen it so why didn't they stop and help?
Someone being in the area is not enough for a charge there must be more to it than that...

It's not enough for a conviction of course but it's enough to try identify people who were in the area and then look at eliminating them as suspects.

God help this poor woman, I can't imagine the terror. I'll certainly be very cautious for the time being. Very scary.

andekwarhola

Specialun wrote: »

Dublin forum >>>>>>>>>>>>>

All I can see there is my fireplace?

tomofson

Lia Broad Jellybean wrote: »

It's not enough for a conviction of course but it's enough to try identify people who were in the area and then look at eliminating them as suspects.

God help this poor woman, I can imagine the terror. I'll certainly be very cautious for the time being. Very scary.

The thing I find most bizarre is the "sensitivities" around the description...

steddyeddy

What pathetic creatures do this to someone. Hope justice is done and the woman in question is getting the best help.

irish bloke

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness I think it is important to the whole country. Maybe it will spur someone with some information to go to the gaurds.

Hardly, it's just so people can have a good gossip about it

strandroad

tomofson wrote: »

I don't know it just seemed a little strange... If anyone caught it on their dash cam they must have seen it so why didn't they stop and help?

Even if they didn't see the attack they may have seen a gang of scrotes disappearing there 15 minutes prior, this type of thing. And even if the driver cannot see anything in the footage themselves they can still bring it for the guards to review, compare etc. It's potentially useful.

eviltwin

tomofson wrote: »

The thing I find most bizarre is the "sensitivities" around the description...

Probably for the protection of certain local residents

Gringo180

tomofson wrote: »

Anyone see the horrendous news today about the female cyclist viciously attacked in clondalkin??? It came to my mind while reading through the article that a notorious criminal from that area was released from prison recently... I know he has a history of attacks on women maybe there could be a connection there...

However the media are saying their is sensitivities around the suspects descriptions, whatever thats supposed to mean...

I read earlier she was raped by a number of people while out cycling. Absolute scum of the earth.

tomofson

eviltwin wrote: »

Probably for the protection of certain local residents

Or maybe a description would give away who the particular individual is.

One little detail about a certain persons features and the whole country will know its him...

anewme

couple hundred metres from Garda Station. Scary stuff.

strandroad

Gringo180 wrote: »

I read earlier she was raped by a number of people while out cycling. Absolute scum of the earth.

Accosted by three, raped by one, not that it makes it much better.

B.A._Baracus

That is horrible and sick. These guys should be shot.

FalconGirl

tomofson wrote: »

Strange thing to ask for in a case like this...

Ah seriously, use your brain.

Gatling

FalconGirl wrote: »

Ah seriously, use your brain.

Enlighten us all

tomofson

TheDarter wrote: »

Probably a Muslim

(not racist)

You wouldn't tell if the individual was muslim or not based on appearance... Muslims come from all races and ethnicities... I would say a good description could very well point in an individuals direction and that is where the sensitivities come into play... Never got a fair trial and all that...

Samaris

Mod: Tomofson - Knock it off with the disingenuous hinting about the potential identity of (one of) the attackers. I'm sure more information will come out in the coming days.

TheDarter - Don't.

Spanish Eyes

According to reports I've read the lady was either pushing the bike or cycling at around 3am.

I wouldn't even drive that road at that hour. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying that, but it's the truth.

andekwarhola

Just realised the thread title makes it look like a woman tried to attack Clondalkin.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

According to reports I've read the lady was either pushing the bike or cycling at around 3am.

I wouldn't even drive that road at that hour. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying that, but it's the truth.

Ahh more of the victim blaming

ThisRegard

tomofson wrote: »

I don't know it just seemed a little strange... If anyone caught it on their dash cam they must have seen it so why didn't they stop and help?
Someone being in the area is not enough for a charge there must be more to it than that...

It's not because they think someone drove by while it happened, it's that it may help identify vehicles, people etc around the area at the time and rule them in or out as suspects.

tomofson

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

According to reports I've read the lady was either pushing the bike or cycling at around 3am.

I wouldn't even drive that road at that hour. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying that, but it's the truth.

I doubt you would offend anyone by saying that, its a dangerous area thats well known, a lot of bogey characters entering and leaving at all times.

Saying that though I wouldn't say its the most dangerous in the Dublin region.

andekwarhola

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I wouldn't even drive that road at that hour.

You must find driving anywhere nearly impossible presumably.

eviltwin

Gatling wrote: »

Enlighten us all

Someone posted a good explanation which seems to have been deleted. It's possible the group were hanging around the area and they might have been picked up on the dashcam of a passing motorist.

Spanish Eyes

bubblypop wrote: »

Ahh more of the victim blaming

Did I blame the victim here? I just gave my own opinion of that stretch of road, for good or bad.

And to be fair, 3am is not a good time to be out alone either. No matter what sex, gender, age you are.

There is freedom, and there is common sense.

MonsterCookie

Sensitivities...that happened before (I think in Tallaght) when the suspects were black to avoid local hard shaws taking it out on anybody fitting that rather loose description.

tomofson

TheDarter wrote: »

Why are you so confused by the sensitivity if you know it all?

I dont know it all it was just an assumption on my part I am aware I could very well be wrong...

Hrududu

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

According to reports I've read the lady was either pushing the bike or cycling at around 3am.

I wouldn't even drive that road at that hour. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying that, but it's the truth.

She might have been on her way home from work.

For some reason I always felt cycling home would be safer than walking as you think you can just cycle away from any potential trouble. This is just chilling

eviltwin

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Did I blame the victim here? I just gave my own opinion of that stretch of road, for good or bad.

And to be fair, 3am is not a good time to be out alone either. No matter what sex, gender, age you are.

There is freedom, and there is common sense.

Why mention it then?

strandroad

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Did I blame the victim here? I just gave my own opinion of that stretch of road, for good or bad.

And to be fair, 3am is not a good time to be out alone either. No matter what sex, gender, age you are.

There is freedom, and there is common sense.

You'd have to ban shift work.

Spanish Eyes

Hrududu wrote: »

She might have been on her way home from work.

For some reason I always felt cycling home would be safer than walking as you think you can just cycle away from any potential trouble. This is just chilling

I know some people will take my posts and fillet them. That's fine, open forum, obeying the charter and all that.

But yes, it is awful. However, if she was working say in a bar/restaurant or that, I always thought the employer would make sure the employees got home safely if they didn't have their own four wheeled (safer) transport. But maybe that's all gone now.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Did I blame the victim here? I just gave my own opinion of that stretch of road, for good or bad.

And to be fair, 3am is not a good time to be out alone either. No matter what sex, gender, age you are.

There is freedom, and there is common sense.

Maybe the victim was on her way from work?
Maybe she doesn't earn much?
Maybe she doesn't have/ can't afford a car?
Maybe she was in a friends house who needed her?

The point is, it doesn't matter whether you would travel this road, the victim did, for whatever reasons & she should be entitled to use whatever road she needed to, to get home.

FalconGirl

Gatling wrote: »

Enlighten us all

As quite a few cars travel that road at all hours a dash cam might have captured footage of pedestrians in the general area at 3am which in itself would be unusual on a Thursday morning. They can use it in conjunction with surveillance footage of nearby premises to trace movements.

tomofson

Dahnald Trump wrote: »

Why the hell haven't the guards released a description of the attackers? Are we heading towards continental style censorship on these matters?

Because of nonspecific "sensitivities"

anewme

I don't think people are victim blaming here. You should be able to go where you like without any bother.

I have family living VERY near and if I'm visiting, car door is locked, and I always say if anyone comes near car if I'm stopped at lights, then it's them or me and I'm just not stopping.

My first thoughts this morning when I heard was God love her, she must have not known the area.

tomofson

TheDarter wrote: »

Oh if they were local white lads they'd be named and shamed withing minutes. We can't be upsetting those poor Muslims through.

You do realize Muslims can be white dont you??? Take your xenophobic agenda elsewhere we all know quite well these where not Muslims... We have our own home grown rapists here to ye know...

Dahnald Trump

Dahnald Trump wrote: »

Why the hell haven't the guards released a description of the attackers? Are we heading towards continental style censorship on these matters?

Guards don't usually release descriptions of attackers straight after incidents.

For a start, it stops people coming forward with information that they think is not relevant

eviltwin

TheDarter wrote: »

Oh if they were local white lads they'd be named and shamed withing minutes. We can't be upsetting those poor Muslims through.

I reckon the attacker's were travellers. There's a halting site not far from there that could and probably would be targeted.

tomofson

eviltwin wrote: »

I reckon the attacker's were travellers. There's a halting site not far from there that could and probably would be targeted.

Now that did come to my mind to, and that particular halting site is known for that kind of thing if you get my drift... The halting site would never be targeted though. Worse than this incident has happened in them halting sites and the residents are to cowardly to stand up to travellers.

tomofson

Dahnald Trump wrote: »

**** that. Get a description out there.

I agree, its in the public's best interest.

GLaDOS

I cannot fathom the horror this woman has gone through. I can only hope she receives the love and support to get through this ordeal.

The "men" responsible are subhuman scum.

dark crystal

I can't imagine what this poor woman is going through right now. Horrific.

I really hope the scum who did this are found and face the full extent of the law. Given the conviction rates for rape in this country however, I don't hold out too much hope of a sturdy sentence. It wouldn't surprise me if those responsible have done something like this before and yet are still out walking the streets.

tomofson

TheDarter wrote: »

Tell me how do you know they were not Muslims since they "can be any colour" ect ect

Its just sort of obvious they weren't, tell me how your so cocksure that they are???