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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • #2192
    diego_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭diego_b


    So many +1s there N....please take on board what this man is saying!!

    Also I loved the 242 minutes reference over 240....never thought of it that way before!
    I too was aiming for the 240 as well and the same target again this year, I broke my half marathon pb by a good few minutes during training as well posting a time of 1:50:34 on a tough hilly course in Dingle in September. Felt I was bang on with the double your hm time plus 20 minutes to be aiming for the 4 hours (on a relatively flat marathon course in Dublin)....few weeks later I picked up a niggle that meant I was very lucky to make the start line on DCM day. Some days I couldn't run and had to drop a few longs runs so my endurance took a bit of a pasting I think.
    The fact I came home in 253 minutes....well I celebrated crossing the start line and celebrated crossing the finish line so job done irregardless of the time :-)
    Trust the plans and plenty of time to set goal target....you will all be setting A, B and C goals anyways!!


  • #2193
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    As we're sharing....I'm not even going to tell you how much I missed my 'target time' by but if I could go back and do it all over again I'd listen to our then mentors who also advised no target setting, not for your first. The problem with having a goal time in your mind is that when things go wrong, and they may well do, you're left with the feeling that you 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' instead of soaking up the utterly amazing atmosphere that is DCM. Please do listen to Nop, bookmark that post and read it every few weeks when you think 'I could do this in xx:xx'. Train well but most of all, enjoy the experience, you'll never have another first marathon ;)


  • #2194
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    This post from sausagedogdave really resonated with me when he posted it and having followed the 2014 and 2015 versions of this thread as they progressed and seeing better runners than me struggle to hit targets it really strikes it home just how tough the task at hand is.

    I'm training for a 4.30 marathon but that's just because I need to train to some time , I may well drop back for the Marathon itself, I will make that decision after the HM .


  • #2195
    FITZA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    The Muppet wrote: »
    This post from sausagedogdave really resonated with me when he posted it and having followed the 2014 and 2015 versions of this thread as they progressed and seeing better runners than me struggle to hit targets it really strikes it home just how tough the task at hand is.

    I'm training for a 4.30 marathon but that's just because I need to train to some time , I may well drop back for the Marathon itself, I will make that decision after the HM .

    It's definitely hitting home with me too. I would love a sub 4.00, and we have been advised to have some sort of target, but there are so many variables that could come into play, injuries, niggles, missing key sessions, illness...then on the day itself (presuming we all get there), the weather...it could be awful or it could be fantastic.... Anyway I'm listening now and hopefully will make the start and finish line, as I hope we all do ;)


  • #2196
    paddydriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭paddydriver


    Good reading above and I too have learnt a few hard lessons over the last week and all relating to hydration and eating..

    First up, long run with not enough water on a humid day and the body suffers badly - I am aiming to have access to more water on the LSR's as it makes such a big difference. Also learnt that Lucozade Sport didn't make damn bit of difference over water! Will stick to the tried and trusted water from here on in.

    Tuesday I went out for my 6M + Strides (I've pulled forward a day as I am doing DLR 10k on Monday) and that day I had eaten an early lunch and only had a quick snack right before going out and basically I ran out of fuel late on - this versus yesterday evening where I ate about 1.5 hours before my run and at a similar pace I had no issues whatsoever.

    It's the little things that can have such a big effect and any one of those could conspire against you in DCM or the HM, with the net effect that all planning goes out the window!

    It's all very much a big learning experience first time out and I am rapidly re-evaluating my target times and working it in thinking that the hardest line to reach is the start line and anything from there is a bonus!


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  • #2197
    diego_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭diego_b


    paddydriver wrote: »
    Good reading above and I too have learnt a few hard lessons over the last week and all relating to hydration and eating..

    First up, long run with not enough water on a humid day and the body suffers badly - I am aiming to have access to more water on the LSR's as it makes such a big difference. Also learnt that Lucozade Sport didn't make damn bit of difference over water! Will stick to the tried and trusted water from here on in.

    Tuesday I went out for my 6M + Strides (I've pulled forward a day as I am doing DLR 10k on Monday) and that day I had eaten an early lunch and only had a quick snack right before going out and basically I ran out of fuel late on - this versus yesterday evening where I ate about 1.5 hours before my run and at a similar pace I had no issues whatsoever.

    It's the little things that can have such a big effect and any one of those could conspire against you in DCM or the HM, with the net effect that all planning goes out the window!

    It's all very much a big learning experience first time out and I am rapidly re-evaluating my target times and working it in thinking that the hardest line to reach is the start line and anything from there is a bonus!

    You will likely need something more than water Paddy, for me I use the High 5 zero tabs and others I know use Nuun tabs but similar effect. They are very dilute and will give you back the salt your body loses in sweat....you have to counteract the salt loss in someway.
    I couldn't do Lucozade Sport either on LSRs, tried it once and between destroying the inside of bottles with colouring and also caused me to stop (ruined my insides) for a comfort break I steer clear.


  • #2198
    smashiner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭smashiner


    Just a quick note to people 'sticking to a time' at the moment. I suggest that you should only really start to looking at possible time after you have completed a 20 miler LSR or two as you will know a lot more about your body/endurance/niggles/fueling etc at that point.
    As Firedance, Nop et al have already said the atmosphere will be electric and you will be 'superstars and heros' on the day and my advice is to aim for a slightly more conservative time (say +5 to 10 minutes) and really enjoy the day out. I personally missed that point in 2014 and went for broke and had a really tough day out, I didn't put myself under the same pressure for 2015 and finished nearly half an hour quicker!

    The last 6 miles/10K is very tough and the key is to have something left in the tank so that you can 'high five' kids on the way back into Town and soak up all of the glorious atmosphere and 'your' adoring crowd....;)


  • #2199
    paddydriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭paddydriver


    diego_b wrote: »
    You will likely need something more than water Paddy, for me I use the High 5 zero tabs and others I know use Nuun tabs but similar effect. They are very dilute and will give you back the salt your body loses in sweat....you have to counteract the salt loss in someway.
    I couldn't do Lucozade Sport either on LSRs, tried it once and between destroying the inside of bottles with colouring and also caused me to stop (ruined my insides) for a comfort break I steer clear.

    Thanks Diego... just after I posted I thought about editing.. Yes have been taking the gels' too and then a High 5 Zero when home. If I take a bottle next time I will put in a Zero tab too. Going to try more experimentation. The gels have not caused me any issues and I find the High 5 ones nicest by a long way - the SIS ones are very bland! Usually take one about 20 mins before run and then one half way thru. What I will do in future is have 2nd one on the run and maybe break them up for each 8k/5m.


  • #2200
    avfc1874
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭avfc1874


    Firedance wrote: »
    As we're sharing....I'm not even going to tell you how much I missed my 'target time' by but if I could go back and do it all over again I'd listen to our then mentors who also advised no target setting, not for your first. The problem with having a goal time in your mind is that when things go wrong, and they may well do, you're left with the feeling that you 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' instead of soaking up the utterly amazing atmosphere that is DCM. Please do listen to Nop, bookmark that post and read it every few weeks when you think 'I could do this in xx:xx'. Train well but most of all, enjoy the experience, you'll never have another first marathon ;)
    I 100% agree with this, I did my first and last ( going again this year) in 2014 , and put together our own training 16 week plan averaging 4 runs a week, we said we'd go for a 4hr time . I was delighted to stick to the plan and never missed a long run, I'd wished that we hadn't set a time as it's a lot of pressure to put yourself under, and I remember thinking that whatever happens on the day I'm actually proud of myself for sticking to a plan ( it doesn't happen often). I remember the day before doing everything I normally do on a Sunday from the roast dinner to the few pints afterwards, ( I was so relaxed) what I'm trying to say is you spend a lot of time and effort and money to get to the start line so that should be your goal, even though I came home in under 4 hrs I was more proud of myself for sticking to ,and finishing a programme, it's a great achievement, and the Dublin crowd helped as well. Good luck everyone. And remember a lot of people will tell you they could run a marathon, but most of them won't,


  • #2201
    Antwerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Antwerp


    Very interesting reading and advice there, folks much appreciated.

    For what it's worth, sometimes I feel if I'm thinking too much about associating numbers with race times, that the best remedy is be grateful you are able to be out there running in the first place...regardless of how 'fast' you should be running at .....just ENJOY it, live in the moment!


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  • #2202
    Antwerp
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    paddydriver wrote: »
    First up, long run with not enough water on a humid day and the body suffers badly - I am aiming to have access to more water on the LSR's as it makes such a big difference.

    Paddy driver, note to self DLR replaces LSR this wkd.....lol...:)


  • #2203
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Folks - would anyone be interested in meeting up for a (partial) LSR? There are a few events on in Phoenix Park (RnR HM series on Aug 6/7, FD10 on Aug 20), but how about Saturday, August 13?

    To fit in with real-life, it will have to be early (9am start, or thereabouts). Let me know if there's any interest... HHN1 has a 12M LSR, and Boards a 14M LSR.

    "I start all my LSRs at 9am", I hear you say, because the real thing starts at ~9am, too!


  • #2204
    The Muppet
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    I.'d be up for this .


  • #2205
    A Neurotic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭A Neurotic


    nop98 wrote: »
    Folks - would anyone be interested in meeting up for a (partial) LSR? There are a few events on in Phoenix Park (RnR HM series on Aug 6/7, FD10 on Aug 20), but how about Saturday, August 13?

    To fit in with real-life, it will have to be early (9am start, or thereabouts). Let me know if there's any interest... HHN1 has a 12M LSR, and Boards a 14M LSR.

    "I start all my LSRs at 9am", I hear you say, because the real thing starts at ~9am, too!

    Count me in!


  • #2206
    spaceylou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    nop98 wrote: »
    Folks - would anyone be interested in meeting up for a (partial) LSR? There are a few events on in Phoenix Park (RnR HM series on Aug 6/7, FD10 on Aug 20), but how about Saturday, August 13?

    To fit in with real-life, it will have to be early (9am start, or thereabouts). Let me know if there's any interest... HHN1 has a 12M LSR, and Boards a 14M LSR.

    "I start all my LSRs at 9am", I hear you say, because the real thing starts at ~9am, too!

    Ah man, I was hoping that someone would suggest a communal LSR but I am away that weekend :( Have fun everyone and hopefully I'll be around for any other ones.


  • #2207
    aceygray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭aceygray


    nop98 wrote: »
    Folks - would anyone be interested in meeting up for a (partial) LSR? There are a few events on in Phoenix Park (RnR HM series on Aug 6/7, FD10 on Aug 20), but how about Saturday, August 13?

    To fit in with real-life, it will have to be early (9am start, or thereabouts). Let me know if there's any interest... HHN1 has a 12M LSR, and Boards a 14M LSR.

    "I start all my LSRs at 9am", I hear you say, because the real thing starts at ~9am, too!

    Yep, I'm in. I've being trying to do my LSRs in the morning as well, for the same reason.

    Anyone tried out the Fingal 10k gel belt yet? I used it on my LSR today (working the weekend so moved it forward). The gels kept slipping out, I ended up carrying them most of the way. Very annoying!


  • #2208
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    I love the idea, but there's two chances of me being in the Phoenix Park (or on this plane of consciousness) at 9am.


  • #2209
    Antwerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Antwerp


    LSR in PP on 13th Aug is a great idea, NOP98 would be great to run with others, however my only hesitation would be the pace as I'm on the slooooowww side.
    Will wait and see how many takers you get as will give better indication of the planned pace, if it's within my limits will be there if not will stick to my solo LSR.


  • #2210
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Pomplamousse wrote: »
    Quick question for future reference. I know running twice on the same day is bad, such as running to and from work on the same day. Would it be ok the odd time to do my Wednesday run in the evening (I usually get out for my evening runs at about 5pm) and then my Thursday run in the morning (about 6am)? Or is that equally as bad as doing two runs in one day? Does the sleep in between make it less bad?

    I would say that's okay - much better than twice-a-day at least, unless FBOT or Myles overrules me...?

    I hope this week is going better for you? Not too many missed runs?


  • #2211
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    spaceylou wrote: »
    Ah man, I was hoping that someone would suggest a communal LSR but I am away that weekend :( Have fun everyone and hopefully I'll be around for any other ones.

    Ah - sorry spaceylou. Maybe in September or early October, one of ye can organize the next one :)
    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    I love the idea, but there's two chances of me being in the Phoenix Park (or on this plane of consciousness) at 9am.

    How will you get to the 9am startline on Oct 30, Maximus? :rolleyes:
    The Muppet wrote: »
    I.'d be up for this .
    A Neurotic wrote: »
    Count me in!
    aceygray wrote: »
    Yep, I'm in. I've being trying to do my LSRs in the morning as well, for the same reason.
    Antwerp wrote: »
    LSR in PP on 13th Aug is a great idea, NOP98 would be great to run with others, however my only hesitation would be the pace as I'm on the slooooowww side.
    Will wait and see how many takers you get as will give better indication of the planned pace, if it's within my limits will be there if not will stick to my solo LSR.

    Okay. We need a table. To add/edit the table, remove the {QUOTE} tags, and add your name, planned pace and distance.

    Name|Planned Pace|Distance required
    nop98|any|
    aceygray||
    The Muppet||
    A Neurotic||
    Antwerp||


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  • #2212
    paddydriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭paddydriver


    nop98 wrote: »
    Folks - would anyone be interested in meeting up for a (partial) LSR? There are a few events on in Phoenix Park (RnR HM series on Aug 6/7, FD10 on Aug 20), but how about Saturday, August 13?

    To fit in with real-life, it will have to be early (9am start, or thereabouts). Let me know if there's any interest... HHN1 has a 12M LSR, and Boards a 14M LSR.

    "I start all my LSRs at 9am", I hear you say, because the real thing starts at ~9am, too!

    Yep, if I am about I'll be there and look forward to it! Hoping to get holidays in or around then and may be gone - thus missing FD10 too:o

    Thanks


  • #2213
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Name|Planned Pace|Distance required
    nop98|any|
    aceygray||
    The Muppet|11 to 12 |any
    A Neurotic||
    Antwerp||


  • #2214
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Name|Planned Pace|Distance required
    nop98|any|
    aceygray||
    The Muppet|11 to 12 |any
    A Neurotic||
    Antwerp||


  • #2215
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Name|Planned Pace|Distance required
    nop98|any|
    aceygray||
    The Muppet|11 to 12 |any
    A Neurotic||
    Antwerp||


  • #2216
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    nop98 wrote: »
    How will you get to the 9am startline on Oct 30, Maximus? :rolleyes:

    With great difficulty I suspect!


  • #2217
    kabuxa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭kabuxa


    I will be away ;0((( and I was really looking forward to a meetup. Next time.

    I would be really on the slow side... people talking about sub4 and I am hoping for a sub 5.20 ;0))) Maybe we can meet for a coffee afterwards. I will start earlier.

    I really just want to finish... hopefully around 5h... but realistically... and everything can go really well and on the day....

    For tiredness... do you take magnesium at night? Usually helps (obviously I didnt take it as it is 2am ;0))) but seems to help a lot. Maybe you need a little break of nothing... not long.. but nothing.

    Thanks for this thread... to everyone. I dont comment much but on the phone is difficult but I follow, read and mentally answer.

    Ps. Sorry I cant make the quotes work from phone...


  • #2218
    tipping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭tipping


    Can't make it either I'm afraid. Don't think there's enough corkonians on here either for a competing event.


  • #2219
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,652 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    nop98 wrote: »
    Folks - would anyone be interested in meeting up for a (partial) LSR? There are a few events on in Phoenix Park (RnR HM series on Aug 6/7, FD10 on Aug 20), but how about Saturday, August 13?

    I'll book the weather.

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



  • #2220
    Firedance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Name|Planned Pace|Distance required
    nop98|any|
    Firedance|10:30 to 11:30|6-8
    aceygray||
    The Muppet|11 to 12 |any
    A Neurotic||
    Antwerp||


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  • #2221
    aceygray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭aceygray


    Name|Planned Pace|Distance required
    nop98|any|
    aceygray|9.30 - 10 min/mile|14 miles
    The Muppet|11 to 12 |any
    A Neurotic||
    Antwerp||


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