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2016 under 21 hurling championship

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    #32
    lim4ev
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    gilberto_eire wrote: »
    What about the players playing u21 football?.

    The structures and organization in GAA is brutal.

    Most teams play 2/3 meaningful games in a year and they can't even organise them properly to ensure a smooth season.

    Galway don't even get games in this, starting in a semi final with a guaranteed final whenever they face Ulster every few years.

    Do Galway get to play the Ulster u21 champions any year? I didn't think so but am open to question on that one.

    Workman like from limk tonight bigger challenges lie ahead


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    #33
    Kristopherus
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    My bad I thought Galway refused to enter. My deepest apologies

    You have nothing to apologise for. Galway did indeed refuse to go into Leinster. Phelim Murphy dismissed it out of hand iirc. The dyed-in-the-wool Leinster hardliners returned the favour a couple of years ago. Total nonsense by both sides:mad:.


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    #34
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    dastardly00 wrote: »
    How about trying a complete open draw for U-21?

    Antrim, Carlow, Clare, Cork, Dublin, Galway, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Limerick, Offaly, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford, plus one other county to make it 16 teams.

    Not a hope. The risk would be that it would work really well, no way the provincial councils want that screwing things up.

    And yes, Galway did refuse to enter Leinster at underage in the past, dunno why that poster was on his high horse about someone getting a "dig" in.


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    #35
    danganabu
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    Both sides are correct and of course wrong :D

    Galway stated in 2008 when applying to join the Leinster Championship that they didn't want to enter at minor and u21, it was short sighted just because they were going so well in both and that sort of cherry picking should never have been tolerated.

    Go forward 6 years and Galway realised the error of their ways and that to aid the development of players playing more competitive game's ( with the comfort of a back door at minor) was far more beneficial than going straight to an AI semi every year. However at this point the other counties in Leinster, notably Offaly, Carlow, Wexford and Dublin were the most vocal, felt that allowing Galway entry would hinder their chances of success and development.

    Of course the decision should never have been left up to either party and the decision either way should have been made for them. FWIW imo they should most definitely be playing in Leinster for both minor and u21 if they are for Senior, the current situation makes a mockery of the provincial distinctions.


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    #36
    danganabu
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    gilberto_eire wrote: »
    What about the players playing u21 football?.

    What about them?

    The football championship was completed before the exams started?


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    #37
    zetecescort
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    bit of niggle to the Munster final now. Gleeson is a great talent but can step over the mark at times, lucky to stay on the field


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    #38
    Mushy
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    Goalscorer had his foot in the square, very annoying. Not as if ref or umpires had restricted view


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    #39
    caddy16
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    zetecescort wrote: »
    bit of niggle to the Munster final now. Gleeson is a great talent but can step over the mark at times, lucky to stay on the field

    Crazy what he did. Should have walked.


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    LuckyGent88
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    zetecescort wrote: »
    bit of niggle to the Munster final now. Gleeson is a great talent but can step over the mark at times, lucky to stay on the field

    He is dirt sometimes. So talented but has a nasty strike in him in every game.

    Low scoring but a cracking match. Some strong but fair challenges going in. Tipp will be disappointed to concede such a soft goal. Classy goading from Waterford goal scorer. Always nice to see that!!!!!!


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    #41
    GoldFour4
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    pisses me off to no end that he only got a yellow. Literally punched Josh Keane in the head in front of the linesman. A tipp player or a Waterford player other than Gleeson would have got the line.


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    #42
    Tipperary animal lover
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    Taught Waterford would have mauled us by now, decent game.... Gleeson showing he's class!!!!


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    #43
    Mantis Toboggan
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    Tipperary animal lover wrote: »
    Taught Waterford would have mauled us by now, decent game.... Gleeson showing he's class!!!!

    He shouldn't be on the field, got away with that big time.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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    #44
    LuckyGent88
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    That was a lovely score


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    #45
    LuckyGent88
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    That pass


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    #46
    zetecescort
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    lovely pass for the goal


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    #47
    LuckyGent88
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    Waterford turning on the style now. Some lovely pints but such a pity Gleeson shouldn't even be on the field this second half.
    He has been utter class this half and the reason Waterford will win


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    #48
    Mantis Toboggan
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    Of all the players to leave free Austin gleeson is the worst one. Will be interesting to see what Willie Maher says about that.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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    #49
    LuckyGent88
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    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    Of all the players to leave free Austin gleeson is the worst one. Will be interesting to see what Willie Maher says about that.

    Yep so strange. Last person you want collect the ball free with his striking ability. Cleaned up in second half


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    #50
    PTH2009
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    Waterford vs Dublin final I'd say but neither team can afford to be complacent In the semis Galway as always will be unknown as it will be there first night out and Antrim shocked a cocky Wexford team a few years ago


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    #51
    commonsense.
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    PTH2009 wrote:
    Waterford vs Dublin final I'd say but neither team can afford to be complacent In the semis Galway as always will be unknown as it will be there first night out and Antrim shocked a cocky Wexford team a few years ago


    Ah here, you don't seriously expect Antrim to remotely trouble that Waterford team?
    They will be in 3rd gear for that game and will win by a score a man.
    A system that allows a mismatch of such proportions at AI semi final stage is farcical.
    Provincial system should be scrapped for all championships so let's start with U21 on a trial basis.


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    #52
    Henno30
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    Waterford have truckloads of talent. A decade of development squad work has yielded a conveyor belt of players with outstanding technical ability. Even Donal Moloney in Clare who (with Gerry O'Connor & Paul Kinnerk) oversaw the capture of 8 Munster and All-Ireland championships in 5 years said that they regarded Waterford as the benchmark.

    The only reservation I would have with Waterford is leadership. They are producing talented hurlers but I am as yet unconvinced that they are producing the keystone players that will lead a team to a senior All-Ireland. They are surely favourites to win this U-21 title, and barring some catastrophic managerial choices they will be knocking on the door for a senior title in the years to come.


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    #53
    Deise2016
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    malistheman wrote: »
    pisses me off to no end that he only got a yellow. Literally punched Josh Keane in the head in front of the linesman. A tipp player or a Waterford player other than Gleeson would have got the line.

    Jelousy of some people towards Gleeson amazes me.

    If that had been a Tipp player or another Waterford player it wouldn't have bothered you.

    Austin Gleeson is one of the best most exciting hurlers around and you want him sent off?

    He didn't punch Josh Keane in the head.

    He gave him little tap, stupid yes, but still a little tap and Keane jumped on the floor in an effort to have Gleeson sent off.

    Is that the route we want hurling to go down?

    Where players roll around on the ground like Ronaldo to try and have players sent off.

    Ref should have carded Keane for diving.


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    #54
    feargale
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    commonsense. wrote: »
    Provincial system should be scrapped for all championships so let's start with U21 on a trial basis.

    No. Do what was done with the Intermediate championship long ago: Ulster play Connacht, the winners to play Munster or Leinster champions in alternate years.


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    #55
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    feargale wrote: »
    No. Do what was done with the Intermediate championship long ago: Ulster play Connacht, the winners to play Munster or Leinster champions in alternate years.

    That's even more complicated and imbalanced. The idea should be to make a symmetrical championship, where everyone at the start has the same number of games to get to the final, and where the draw is open so that the same teams are not playing each other year after year while others never meet. Not sure how the solution you're discussing provides that.


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    #56
    GoldFour4
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    Deise2016 wrote: »
    Jelousy of some people towards Gleeson amazes me.

    If that had been a Tipp player or another Waterford player it wouldn't have bothered you.

    Austin Gleeson is one of the best most exciting hurlers around and you want him sent off?

    He didn't punch Josh Keane in the head.

    He gave him little tap, stupid yes, but still a little tap and Keane jumped on the floor in an effort to have Gleeson sent off.

    Is that the route we want hurling to go down?

    Where players roll around on the ground like Ronaldo to try and have players sent off.

    Ref should have carded Keane for diving.

    It's not jealousy at all. He is an absolutely savage player and his skill level at his age is an absolute beauty to watch.

    You can't use the 'little tap' excuse though. He made a fist and made contact with the helmet. If the referees are doing their job then it's a red card.

    Of course I don't want to see him sent off. I didn't want John O' Dwyer sent off against limerick but he broke rules and was rightfully sent off.


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    #57
    Mehapoy
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    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    feargale wrote: »
    No. Do what was done with the Intermediate championship long ago: Ulster play Connacht, the winners to play Munster or Leinster champions in alternate years.

    That's even more complicated and imbalanced. The idea should be to make a symmetrical championship, where everyone at the start has the same number of games to get to the final, and where the draw is open so that the same teams are not playing each other year after year while others never meet. Not sure how the solution you're discussing provides that.
    Its staggering how many in the GAA find that concept so hard to grasp!


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    #58
    mountgomery burns
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    commonsense. wrote: »
    Ah here, you don't seriously expect Antrim to remotely trouble that Waterford team?
    They will be in 3rd gear for that game and will win by a score a man.
    A system that allows a mismatch of such proportions at AI semi final stage is farcical.
    Provincial system should be scrapped for all championships so let's start with U21 on a trial basis.

    I think Tipp and Limerick would have beaten anything in Leinster. So I'd say that is where your imbalance is. Dublin won it out beating Wexford, Offaly and Westmeath.

    I think the u21 championship is fantastic and should be left alone personally. We do we need a trial basis for Senior? If its wrong at Senior level, fix the problem there not anywhere else.


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    #59
    feargale
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    Mehapoy wrote: »
    Its staggering how many in the GAA find that concept so hard to grasp!

    Not if you want to retain the provincial set-up. That may not be so important to the Tipperarys and Kilkennys of this world, but it's a valued consolation prize for the likes of Laois, Meath, Carlow and Westmeath. While I appreciate the thinking behind advocacy of the open draw, the need to keep the game alive in the lower tier counties trumps that for me. Hurling has too few counties as it is.


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    commonsense.
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    feargale wrote:
    Not if you want to retain the provincial set-up. That may not be so important to the Tipperarys and Kilkennys of this world, but it's a valued consolation prize for the likes of Laois, Meath, Carlow and Westmeath. While I appreciate the thinking behind advocacy of the open draw, the need to keep the game alive in the lower tier counties trumps that for me. Hurling has too few counties as it is.


    Why do you think the provincial system is valued by the 4 you mentioned. I have no clue when one of them last won the "consolation prize" in any grade in hurling but I'm fairly certainly it wasn't in my life time. And I'm the wrong side of a half century.
    The provincial system is so past its sell by date and is still only in existence because of the power wielded by the provincial councils.


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    Realt Dearg Sec
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    feargale wrote: »
    Not if you want to retain the provincial set-up. That may not be so important to the Tipperarys and Kilkennys of this world, but it's a valued consolation prize for the likes of Laois, Meath, Carlow and Westmeath. While I appreciate the thinking behind advocacy of the open draw, the need to keep the game alive in the lower tier counties trumps that for me. Hurling has too few counties as it is.

    It's not much consolation to them if they never win the bloody thing.


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