Hostage situation in French church

unseenfootage · 27-07-2016 08:05PM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Racism is ok if the person is a bad person?
Moronic opinion.

Someone who was not a racist to start off with, would not use racist language against a saint or a sinner.

gent9662 · 27-07-2016 08:07PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

It's unreasonable to expect him to condemn every atrocity. More than 50 kurdish supporters were killed in Qamishli Syria, when ISIS targeted a YPG conscription building. That hardly even got a mention.

However the nice atrocity was terrible

Agree with you wrt Syria

unseenfootage · 27-07-2016 08:16PM

dclane wrote: »

However the nice atrocity was terrible

Agree with you wrt Syria

When you compare the two, Nice and Normandy, Nice was by far more atrocious, in terms of scale and also age range: young and old were killed.
What gripped the French public and the Pope that this was a priest, who in their hearts deserve a special place. Looking from afar, like we are, it does seem to be odd, that the murder of one gets papal attention whereas the murder of scores of people gets none.

Fleawuss · 27-07-2016 09:39PM

Utterly barbaric and savage act. I may not have any time for religions but the myrder of a harmless old man going about his priestly duties to those of his faith is utterly unacceptable and inexcusable. Those young men belong to a despicable sect; the condemnation I saw from an Islamic religious leader at the Elysee could not have been clearer or stronger. That message needs to be broadcast repeatedly throughout social media and older media repeatedly to every Muslim community in Europe.

Strazdas · 27-07-2016 10:31PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

When you compare the two, Nice and Normandy, Nice was by far more atrocious, in terms of scale and also age range: young and old were killed.
What gripped the French public and the Pope that this was a priest, who in their hearts deserve a special place. Looking from afar, like we are, it does seem to be odd, that the murder of one gets papal attention whereas the murder of scores of people gets none.

The Pope has condemned ISIS many times in the last couple of years. I'm not sure where this idea has come from that he has remained silent about their terror attacks : he has often condemned their actions in Iraq and Syria too.

Bob24 · 27-07-2016 10:32PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

When you compare the two, Nice and Normandy, Nice was by far more atrocious, in terms of scale and also age range: young and old were killed.
What gripped the French public and the Pope that this was a priest, who in their hearts deserve a special place. Looking from afar, like we are, it does seem to be odd, that the murder of one gets papal attention whereas the murder of scores of people gets none.

I think there are many symbolic reasons for the emotional reaction.

1) A church is traditionally seen as a safe heaven. This shows there is nowhere to hide.
2) The old age of the victim and the ceremonial way in which he was executed are bringing the impression that evil and barbaric people are tagetting Europe to a whole new level.
3) Even though many Europeans don't believe in Christianity anymore, the religion is at the core of European history of culture - and attacking it is attacking European civilisation.
4) It also bring back the ghosts of religious wars which most Europeans though were gone forever. The previous time a priest was assassinated during a service in France was in 1793.

Simulated Reality · 27-07-2016 10:35PM

I was thinking, is there a way to desecrate Muslim corpses so they won't get into heaven? Maybe pour pigs blood over them?

There might be a lot less attacks if Jihadists knew this was going to happen.

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 10:42PM

Simulated Reality wrote: »

I was thinking, is there a way to desecrate Muslim corpses so they won't get into heaven? Maybe pour pigs blood over them?

There might be a lot less attacks if Jihadists knew this was going to happen.

It's a hard idea to stomach and I expect you will be pilloried for suggesting desecration of dead bodies but I am starting to wonder if it's on the right track . It at least addresses part of the mentality of martyrdom and sort of speaks their language . I can't believe some of the things I end up talking about online .

Zxclnic · 27-07-2016 10:42PM

Simulated Reality wrote: »

I was thinking, is there a way to desecrate Muslim corpses so they won't get into heaven? Maybe pour pigs blood over them?

There might be a lot less attacks if Jihadists knew this was going to happen.

Not the best idea really.

Simulated Reality · 27-07-2016 10:44PM

Zxclnic wrote: »

Not the best idea really.

I think it could work. These attacks are carried out by religious maniacs. You might think twice if you knew you weren't going to go heaven.

Moo Moo Land · 27-07-2016 10:45PM

Zxclnic wrote: »

Not the best idea really.

It's completely insane!!

Would we film these desecrations too?

Go sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up!

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 10:46PM

Simulated Reality wrote: »

I think it could work. These attacks are carried out by religious maniacs. You might think twice if you knew you weren't going to go heaven.

You're thinking outside the box. Is there a way to prevent suicide bombers and other jihadist martyrs from getting to heaven ?

what better deterrent ?

Moo Moo Land · 27-07-2016 10:46PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I can't believe some of the things I end up talking about online .

You're not alone.

Moo Moo Land · 27-07-2016 10:48PM

Widdershins wrote: »

You're thinking outside the box. Is there a way to prevent suicide bombers and other jihadist martyrs from getting to heaven ?

What "heaven" are you on about?

27-07-2016 10:48PM

Simulated Reality wrote: »

I was thinking, is there a way to desecrate Muslim corpses so they won't get into heaven? Maybe pour pigs blood over them?

There might be a lot less attacks if Jihadists knew this was going to happen.

Sounds like something religious extremists would do.
We don't drop our morality because they do.

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 10:49PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

You're not alone.

Yes well sometimes you have to explore new avenues when faced with a difficult problem

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 10:51PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

What "heaven" are you on about?

Don't start , paradise , afterlife with virgins , alright ?

Moo Moo Land · 27-07-2016 10:52PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Yes well sometimes you have to explore new avenues when faced with a difficult problem

Yeah but I would like to change the martyrdom mindset pre-mortem.

Desecrating bodies as a solution...I know we're brainstorming but wow.

Moo Moo Land · 27-07-2016 10:52PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Don't start , paradise , afterlife with virgins , alright ?

So you believe in all that?

Is there a way to prevent suicide bombers and other jihadist martyrs from getting to heaven ?

Simulated Reality · 27-07-2016 10:54PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

What "heaven" are you on about?

Whatever heaven that these crazy scumbags believe in.

Moo Moo Land · 27-07-2016 10:56PM

Simulated Reality wrote: »

Whatever heaven that these crazy scumbags believe in.

So you don't believe in their heaven but you want to convince the "scumbags" that they will never get to their heaven if they martyr themselves because people are going to prevent it somehow by desecrating their bodies in a certain fashion.

Have I got it?

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 10:56PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Yeah but I would like to change the martyrdom mindset pre-mortem.

Desecrating bodies as a solution...I know we're brainstorming but wow.

Of course ! HE/SHE asked a good question though . Is there A PROCESS that prevents eternal reward. The knowledge that that would be used would be a deterrent in the first place . Alas I think jihadist believe that they immediately go to their reward .

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 10:57PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

So you believe in all that?

No, I have no religions beliefs , why?

Dyr · 27-07-2016 10:58PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Yeah but I would like to change the martyrdom mindset pre-mortem.

Desecrating bodies as a solution...I know we're brainstorming but wow.

I already mentioned in this thread that the americans allegedly did this at the turn of the century in the Philippines

To what effect is not recorded

Simulated Reality · 27-07-2016 10:58PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

So you don't believe in their heaven but you want to convince the "scumbags" that they will never get to their heaven if they martyr themselves because people are going to prevent it somehow by desecrating their bodies in a certain fashion.

Have I got it?

Yes, you've got it.

Moo Moo Land · 27-07-2016 11:00PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Is there A PROCESS that prevents eternal reward.

I think the whole thing is a nonsense, the heaven, the virgins etc

But I am not going to somehow validate their belief by looking for some process or override switch to prevent it. That's nuts.

Moo Moo Land · 27-07-2016 11:01PM

Simulated Reality wrote: »

Yes, you've got it.

Do you believe your heaven exists but theirs doesn't?

Moo Moo Land · 27-07-2016 11:01PM

Bambi wrote: »

I already mentioned in this thread that the americans allegedly did this at the turn of the century in the Philippines

To what effect is not recorded

Did what?

Simulated Reality · 27-07-2016 11:02PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

I think the whole thing is a nonsense, the heaven, the virgins etc

But I am not going to somehow validate their belief by looking for some process or override switch to prevent it. That's nuts.

It's make no difference what you or I believe in. The scum we're dealing with obviously take their religion seriously so if you can instill the fear in them that they won't go to heaven, then why not?

Simulated Reality · 27-07-2016 11:03PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Do you believe your heaven exists but theirs doesn't?

I believe in some kind of afterlife but what does my belief have to do with it?

Hostage situation in French church

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