Hostage situation in French church

Jimbob1977 · 27-07-2016 01:40PM

murpho999 wrote: »

4 people killed on Irish roads overnight but people think France is more dangerous.

They are not comparable

o The objective of driving a car is to move from Point A to Point B safely. Nobody sets out on their journey with the intention to crash and kill themselves or others.

o The objective of terrorism is to maim, destroy or kill.

27-07-2016 01:49PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Forget the fact he is a Priest.

He was a frail 84 year old man. How more gutless can you get

Babies probably...and you wouldn't put it past the tramps.

valoren · 27-07-2016 01:56PM

end of the road wrote: »

can't be done. the state have better things to do. your nonsense suggestion will not only be no deterrent to younger people who are intending to become radicalised, not only will it not put any fear of god into them, but it will radicalise people more.
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Consider this happening in Ireland. A priest murdered, people held hostage in a church by three terrorists, armed support are alerted and kill the three terrorists. The story is reported worldwide, ISIS claim responsibility. You have the bloodied bodies of three terrorists on the ground. What happens then?

Are they buried in unmarked graves anonymously? By who?
Are their families contacted, the bodies returned to their homeplace for burial?
What is our states policy in a situation like this?
In any event, certain factions are going to be pissed off at any arrangements made.

ohnonotgmail · 27-07-2016 01:57PM

valoren wrote: »

end of the road wrote: »

can't be done. the state have better things to do. your nonsense suggestion will not only be no deterrent to younger people who are intending to become radicalised, not only will it not put any fear of god into them, but it will radicalise people more.
/QUOTE]

Consider this happening in Ireland. A priest murdered, people held hostage in a church by three terrorists, armed support are alerted and kill the three terrorists. The story is reported worldwide, ISIS claim responsibility. You have the bloodied bodies of three terrorists on the ground. What happens then?

Are they buried in unmarked graves anonymously?
Are their families contacted, the bodies returned to their homeplace for burial?
What is our states policy in a situation like this?
In any event, certain factions are going to be pissed off at any arrangements made.

their bodies are given to their next of kin.

27-07-2016 02:00PM

murpho999 wrote: »

4 people killed on Irish roads overnight but people think France is more dangerous.

You know the difference between an accident and an act of intention right? Stupid strawman.

I have zero issue with Muslim people practicing their religion in this country, none at all. I admittedly only know a handful of them but any I know are just law abiding decent people who work shifts to provide for their family. Two are bus drivers, one is in IT. Good people. I don't agree with any religion tbh but if you don't tread on me then I don't mind. Extreme anything is bad in my book, that goes for left and right. I hate bigots just as much as I hate apologists.

foggy_lad · 27-07-2016 02:03PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Herein may lie the issue....I'm not asking you to buy anything.

You currently have the absolute freedom to buy whatever you like...something which this faction of Islam will remove from you poste-haste.

"They" are killling "us" because we are unbelievers...full stop...being an unbeliever and continuing to be so in the face of their warnings,removes all traces of mercy in the eyes of radicailzed Islam..."They are indeed killing us for fighting them,however that battle is not on any Syrian,Libyan,Iraqui or French battlefield....It is in YOUR Christian head and thus will be fought to the death.....That's what is happening

Basically we have two choices when we are up against Islam

Comply or Die!

lawlolawl wrote: »

Did they explain yet why that one guys electronic tag was turned off for a little bit every day?

Were the authorities cool with him doing terrorist stuff for a few hours every day but felt it would be harmful to his rehabilitation if he gave the whole day at it?

He was free to go about his day to day business, visit friends, go to work/college etc during the daytime between 7am and 7pm afaik

boat_builder · 27-07-2016 02:35PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

ISIS have killed and continue to kill way more Muslims than Christians.

how is that any consolation ? , thats simply down to lack of options in their base

boat_builder · 27-07-2016 02:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

can't be done. the state have better things to do. your nonsense suggestion will not only be no deterrent to younger people who are intending to become radicalised, not only will it not put any fear of god into them, but it will radicalise people more.

it makes sense to the clueless in society, yes. in reality however, it makes not one jot of sense. you couldn't enforce such a policy. get over it, muslims are here in europe, and will continue to come to europe. they are going nowhere.

how come japan is able to enforce such a policy ?

it would be a pretty radical move but i dont see how the EU could not emulate japan , it might come to it if the threat grows

Jesus. · 27-07-2016 02:48PM

valoren wrote: »

A possible angle would be that should a terrorist be killed then they lose their 'rights' to this customary burial based on their religion. A law could state that a family automatically loses the right to burial of the body. That their bodies become the property of the state they have committed atrocities on. What should happen to their bodies is not divulged. It could possibly be a deterrent to younger people who are intending to become radicalised i.e. if you commit a terrorist act then what happens to your body may well be contrary to your beliefs etc. That if you are not 'buried' correctly then it impacts your soul, put the fear of 'God' into them so to speak.

A good theory. Don't know if it would work but it merits consideration.

Jesus. · 27-07-2016 02:49PM

end of the road wrote: »

it makes sense to the clueless in society, yes. in reality however, it makes not one jot of sense. you couldn't enforce such a policy. get over it, muslims are here in europe, and will continue to come to europe. they are going nowhere.

Japan enforces it quite well actually.

foggy_lad · 27-07-2016 02:49PM

boat_builder wrote: »

how come japan is able to enforce such a policy ?

it would be a pretty radical move but i dont see how the EU could not emulate japan , it might come to it if the threat grows

Japan just do the same as Hungary did to Europe, they tell people like Peter Sutherland and Angle Merkel to f*ck off

Grayson · 27-07-2016 02:52PM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

They are not comparable

o The objective of driving a car is to move from Point A to Point B safely. Nobody sets out on their journey with the intention to crash and kill themselves or others.

o The objective of terrorism is to maim, destroy or kill.

People get drunk and drive all the time. They might not deliberately go out to kill but they don't give a fcuk either.

Nobody is saying that we shouldn't try to prevent terrorism. All people are saying is that it should be kept in perspective. Smoking kills millions every year. Far more than wars or terrorism combined. People contract diseases, people die in accidents. There's probably more people dying from stupid stuff like champagne corks than terrorism in the US. That doesn't mean that we should shrug our shoulders and do nothing, it just means that a bit of perspective is needed.

Terrorism can be successfully combated by a combination of deradicalisation, looking at grievances that terrorists have and good old fashioned police work.

I know the bit that sticks out is looking at the grievances. I don't mean give them what they want I just mean that quite often the terrorists draw support from a populace that has grievances. Take Northern Ireland. I think the IRA are scum but I will admit that the catholic/nationalists had civil rights issues. Tackling those issues whilst simultaneously tackling terrorism will remove the support the organisation has. It's not always possible, but if it is, then it's a good tactic to use in countering their support.

dav3 · 27-07-2016 02:52PM

Why are people still going on about that bullsh*t lie regarding Japan restricting muslim immigration. Are you really that desperate to believe it?

'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.'

http://www.snopes.com/muslims-in-japan/

Jesus. · 27-07-2016 02:55PM

dav3 wrote: »

Why are people still going on about that bullsh*t lie regarding Japan restricting muslim immigration. Are you really that desperate to believe it?

Why are there fukk all Muslims in Japan?

boat_builder · 27-07-2016 02:58PM

Grayson wrote: »

People get drunk and drive all the time. They might not deliberately go out to kill but they don't give a fcuk either.

Nobody is saying that we shouldn't try to prevent terrorism. All people are saying is that it should be kept in perspective. Smoking kills millions every year. Far more than wars or terrorism combined. People contract diseases, people die in accidents. There's probably more people dying from stupid stuff like champagne corks than terrorism in the US. That doesn't mean that we should shrug our shoulders and do nothing, it just means that a bit of perspective is needed.

Terrorism can be successfully combated by a combination of deradicalisation, looking at grievances that terrorists have and good old fashioned police work.

I know the bit that sticks out is looking at the grievances. I don't mean give them what they want I just mean that quite often the terrorists draw support from a populace that has grievances. Take Northern Ireland. I think the IRA are scum but I will admit that the catholic/nationalists had civil rights issues. Tackling those issues whilst simultaneously tackling terrorism will remove the support the organisation has. It's not always possible, but if it is, then it's a good tactic to use in countering their support.

grievances are at the heart of islamic culture and have been for centuries , they indulge in it to a fetishistic degree

i often hear it said that second generation muslims in yorkshire are upset about iraq or pallestine , how come catholics in athlone were not worried about the oppression of cathoics in honduras at the hands of the CIA thirty years ago

muslims appear to have a very unique kinship , this allows incredibly wide room for perceived grievances

ohnonotgmail · 27-07-2016 02:59PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Why are there fukk all Muslims in Japan?

would you consider approximately 100,000 to be f*ck all?

Skylinehead · 27-07-2016 03:02PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Why are there fukk all Muslims in Japan?

You should probably look at a map, for a start.

Jesus. · 27-07-2016 03:02PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

would you consider approximately 100,000 to be f*ck all?

Yes when its just 0.008% of the population. Its 10% in France.

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 03:03PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

would you consider approximately 100,000 to be f*ck all?

out of 120.000.000?

conorhal · 27-07-2016 03:04PM

boat_builder wrote: »

grievances are at the heart of islamic culture and have been for centuries , they indulge in it to a fetishistic degree

i often hear it said that second generation muslims in yorkshire are upset about iraq or pallestine , how come catholics in athlone were not worried about the oppression of cathoics in honduras at the hands of the CIA thirty years ago

muslims appear to have a very unique kinship , this allows incredibly wide room for perceived grievances

In the wake of Iraq Thomas Friedman wrote an article called 'Middle East Rules to Live By', to explain the mindset of the region to those baffled by what seems to motivate them and their conflicts.
It's a very good read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/20/opinion/20friedman.html?_r=2&

I wholeheartedly agree with this one:

Rule 14: The Lebanese historian Kamal Salibi had it right: “Great powers should never get involved in the politics of small tribes.”

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 03:05PM

Muslim population of Ireland to increase to 100,000 in the next 4 years and Ireland's population is currently around 6 million

Grayson · 27-07-2016 03:07PM

boat_builder wrote: »

grievances are at the heart of islamic culture and have been for centuries , they indulge in it to a fetishistic degree

i often hear it said that second generation muslims in yorkshire are upset about iraq or pallestine , how come catholics in athlone were not worried about the oppression of cathoics in honduras at the hands of the CIA thirty years ago

muslims appear to have a very unique kinship , this allows incredibly wide room for perceived grievances

If you look at social media, or even in the Irish times opinion pages, you'll see plenty of stuff about christians being persecuted by ISIS. You don't even need to go that far, you'll find plenty of posts about it here on boards.
If you look at the US you'll see evangelicals who fund christian initiatives abroad. You'll even see evangelicals who fund jewish settlement expansion because they think it'll bring about the end times. Hell, even in Ireland pro life groups are largely funded by US christian groups. Christians do not just sit at home and pray.

ohnonotgmail · 27-07-2016 03:09PM

Widdershins wrote: »

out of 120.000.000?

as a percentage it is small but it is still a large number of people. certainly not f*ck all. and a number that is rising. the japanese dont discriminate against muslim immigrants as some believe. they dont even ask what religion an immigrant it.

Jesus. · 27-07-2016 03:11PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Muslim population of Ireland to increase to 100,000 in the next 4 years and Ireland's population is currently around 6 million

So Ireland has as many Muslims as Japan whose population is 130 million strong!

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 03:11PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

as a percentage it is small but it is still a large number of people. certainly not f*ck all. and a number that is rising. the japanese dont discriminate against muslim immigrants as some believe. they dont even ask what religion an immigrant it.

It's not the fastest growing religion like it is in Ireland though , right ?

ohnonotgmail · 27-07-2016 03:12PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Yes when its just 0.008% of the population. Its 10% in France.

your percentage is out by a factor of 10. its only slightly less than the population of cork so not an insubstantial number. and certainly not f*ck all.

ohnonotgmail · 27-07-2016 03:14PM

Widdershins wrote: »

It's not the fastest growing religion like it is in Ireland though , right ?

you sound afraid.

Widdershins · 27-07-2016 03:15PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you sound afraid.

Do I ? Why?

skywanderer · 27-07-2016 03:15PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Muslim population of Ireland to increase to 100,000 in the next 4 years and Ireland's population is currently around 6 million

We need to only look to the Ulster Plantation and our own history to see how small minorities have managed to cause destruction, death and misery for the much larger native population. The Indian Native Americans in America also didn't fare too well when hordes of Europeans landed into their country. I predict Islamic Terror will strike this country within 2-3 years especially when you see the hate preached from the Clonskeagh Mosque and other Wahhabi institutions of hate speech.

If an institution was setup preaching death to Protestants, Jews, Blacks or Asians etc. it would be rightly shutdown and publicly ostracised so why do we allow and tolerate Islam? It is not a religion it is a Political Racist Xenophobic Misogynistic movement of hate which spreads intolerance and terrorism. This is what Islam is really about if you read and follow the holy book the Koran, those terrorists are only following the Koran.

These people want to exterminate us yet apologists and the Politically Correct left-wing liberals keep defending them. I'm by no means right wing but I know whats right and wrong and whats happening in Ireland and across Europe now is an invasion and war against Christian European values and is a racist war.

ohnonotgmail · 27-07-2016 03:16PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Do I ? Why?

only you can explain why you are afraid.

Hostage situation in French church

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