Hostage situation in French church

take everything · 26-07-2016 10:21PM

anewme wrote: »

Has anyone seen the photos of Father Jacques Hamel?

A frail 84 year old man described as "a good priest ... Who did his job to the very end"

Forced to kneel and had his throat slit by 2 scumbags filming it
I'm not religious but this had me in tears.

Father Jaques deserved better, there are too many deaths, it's time to say enough is enough.

We should not be castigated for wanting to protect ourselves from this hate filled religion.

I don't think I'm the only one saying it's time to stop making excuses, shut the borders and stop all the pc pussyfooting around.

RIP Father Jaques, I'm actually in tears over this, God bless him.

To think the guy served his community for decades only to meet this end.
Chilling

IvyTheTerrible · 26-07-2016 10:23PM

That poor man.

At that age, all you'd want is to die peacefully in your sleep, not have such horror inflicted on you.
I was defending the police service here after recent attacks but, Jesus they have questions to answer. One of the attackers was "fiché S" (on a terrorist watch list) and had an ankle bracelet, FFS.

Rjd2 · 26-07-2016 10:25PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ah now, people were certainly taking Brexit seriously prior to the result.

As it happens, the polls were wrong about Brexit, but that doesn't turn Probability Theory on its head. The French opinion polls show a strong sentiment in favour of Alain Juppé, and against Sarkozy and Le Pen.

This corresponds to most people's experiences of French politics. Juppé is a very popular politician, as well as being unambiguously right wing. This is a very rare thing in French politics, especially for a former PM; the last man to fit that bill was Jacques Chirac.

If Juppe gets the nomination, he will be the next French President. Mark my words. Feel free to requote this post in 2017 and force me to eat my hat if I am wrong. Juppé to win, Le Pen to end her career in disappointment, just like her father.

From my limited knowledge about him, Juppe would be nowhere near as right wing the increasingly conservative Starkozy and Marine who we all know about:P

Le Pen's chances are been overrated by the masses, heck I was one of those she would get close to the presidency until I read about how near impossible it is for her party to get the presidency in France.

However I suppose like Trump she is just easy click bait thus so much attention dedicated to her. Her party has issues as well, plenty of reports her and her niece have fallen out and while this might make some laugh, their is some who consider Marine to left wing and socialist these days:eek::eek:

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 10:27PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

That poor man. At that age, all you'd want is to die peacefully in your sleep, not have such horror inflicted on you.
I was defending the police service here after recent attacks but, Jesus they have questions to answer. One of the attackers was "fiché S" (on a terrorist watch list) and had an ankle bracelet, FFS.

What is the mood like in France after this terrible incident?

The_Kew_Tour · 26-07-2016 10:28PM

Forget the fact he is a Priest.

He was a frail 84 year old man. How more gutless can you get

OldRio · 26-07-2016 10:31PM

take everything wrote: »

To think the guy served his community for decades only to meet this end.
Chilling

Agreed. An old priest murdered by evil bstards.

Sad times indeed.

KingBrian2 · 26-07-2016 10:33PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Forget the fact he is a Priest.

He was a frail 84 year old man. How more gutless can you get

Well they have been doing it all the time in Syria, Iraq and Egypt for ages so why not France.

FalconGirl · 26-07-2016 10:34PM

****ing cowardly bastards!!!! This cannot be allowed become the norm, no matter what the apologists say. It must be met with outrage every time.

IvyTheTerrible · 26-07-2016 10:38PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

What is the mood like in France after this terrible incident?

Oh people are going about their daily business and all, but they are frightened too. Wall to wall coverage on news channels etc.
I know after all the attacks in the last 18 months, I'm very wary of taking my family to busy places unnecessarily.
I'm not convinced that security is tight enough either - after the foiled train attack last year, there was lots of big talk about upping security but I mentioned in another thread that I took 5 TGV trips in one weekend recently and our tickets weren't checked once. Anybody could have gotten on those trains. It doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

Dyr · 26-07-2016 10:40PM

FalconGirl wrote: »

****ing cowardly bastards!!!! This cannot be allowed become the norm, no matter what the apologists say. It must be met with outrage every time.

Outrage is all good and well but a fleet of B52s turning Fallujah into a the past tense might be more effective

delly · 26-07-2016 10:46PM

I've read a few of these threads at this stage, and the sad realisation is that there is no solution, NONE. You can be as left wing as you want, respect religions, personal rights, or you can be right wing, lock them all up, deport them, etc., but the reality is that the horse has bolted and there is no solution. You can change things around and try to increase security, but the creation and impact of this type of incident will remain. It's actually really sad to dwell on that at this stage. Sure there has always been evil in the world, but it is the impact of it edging closer that is really worrying.

Spanish Eyes · 26-07-2016 10:47PM

tomorrow it will all be forgotten...

Mary63 · 26-07-2016 10:48PM

I'm wondering about security in France too,that lorry that was used to kill those poor people in Nice was parked illegally,it shouldn't have been where it was at all during the fireworks.The driver was asked who he was and he said he was selling ice cream.Even our Gardai wouldn't buy that one,if you were parked illegally you would be told to move.

anewme · 26-07-2016 10:48PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Well they have been doing it all the time in Syria, Iraq and Egypt for ages so why not France.

Oh, so it's ok so.

Sorry but it's not ok.

You'd want a heart of stone not to let it upset you.

Ulysses Gaze · 26-07-2016 10:52PM

Bambi wrote: »

Outrage is all good and well but a fleet of B52s turning Fallujah into a the past tense might be more effective

Hasn't Fallujah been liberated from ISIS already?

ceadaoin. · 26-07-2016 10:57PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

In all honesty you are making zero common sense.
They're are screaming, at the top of their lungs, that they will kill us if we intervene in their countries and bomb them.
Then when we do intervene and bomb and they act on their treats and fight us, according to your way of thinking they are only killing us because they don't like things like gay marriages and pre-marital sex. Despite them explicitly telling us that they are killing us for fighting them.
Now, you might convince some people about your philosophy, but I don't buy it. They don't like our way of life but they hate us intervening in their countries far more and that is the reason why they fight us.

But they aren't just fighting us are they? Other muslims, Christians, jewish people, gay people, atheists are all being killed, tortured, enslaved and raped by ISIS across parts of the Middle East.

Those people arent involved in bombing anyone so it stands to reason that the main motivation for these people being murdered is ideological.

BorneTobyWilde · 26-07-2016 10:57PM

We need to live with suspicious minds. Only the people can rat these bastardss out .
So many other know of these attacks, trouble is they are Muslim and don't report.

Bubbaclaus · 26-07-2016 11:00PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Hasn't Fallujah been liberated from ISIS already?

Don't let that get in the way of 'level the entire Middle East to the ground' fanatics.

FalconGirl · 26-07-2016 11:05PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

We need to live with suspicious minds. Only the people can rat these bastardss out .
So many other know of these attacks, trouble is they are Muslim and don't report.

Your correct. One of the Paris attackers lived with friends and roamed round the community in Belgium for a period after the attacks ffs.

gw80 · 26-07-2016 11:06PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

In all honesty you are making zero common sense.
They're are screaming, at the top of their lungs, that they will kill us if we intervene in their countries and bomb them.
Then when we do intervene and bomb and they act on their treats and fight us, according to your way of thinking they are only killing us because they don't like things like gay marriages and pre-marital sex. Despite them explicitly telling us that they are killing us for fighting them.
Now, you might convince some people about your philosophy, but I don't buy it. They don't like our way of life but they hate us intervening in their countries far more and that is the reason why they fight us.

No, they hate us because we don't support they're particular bloody cause, they would be and have been very happy to be supplied with weapons and technology to crush there own people,

I don't buy this " if you leave us alone, we will leave you alone"bs, they are just as guilty and have as much blood on their hands as the big bad west,

And what do you think will happen if they are left to their on devices, Sudi arabia springs to mind,

Bob24 · 26-07-2016 11:07PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

That poor man. At that age, all you'd want is to die peacefully in your sleep, not have such horror inflicted on you.
I was defending the police service here after recent attacks but, Jesus they have questions to answer. One of the attackers was "fiché S" (on a terrorist watch list) and had an ankle bracelet, FFS.

Problem is they have too many of these S guys and don't know what to do with them. They can't lock them up unless they actually get convicted for something serious, and they don't have nearly enough staff to monitor all of them 24/7.

Problems are more political:
- In the short term beefing up the authority of the police and intelligence services (but there is always the question of balancing democratic values and the necessary authoritarian actions to act upon what you are mentioning - for example accepting that the police or a judge can decide to lock-up someone who hasn't actually committed a crime yet but is flagged as an Islamist extremist)
- And in the long term, political choices of the past decades which have allowed for these individuals to either enter and remain in the country or be produced by society (and I would say Ireland is sadly following suite with a 30 or 40 years delay)

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 11:12PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

But they aren't just fighting us are they? Other muslims, Christians, jewish people, gay people, atheists are all being killed by ISIS across the Middle East.

Those people arent involved in bombing anyone so it stands to reason that the main motivation for these people being murdered is ideological.

In a lot of cases, it is ideological.
Another reason is settling of scores with the shia and the yezidi.
They also love to provoke their enemies that have attacked them. Their goal here is to lure them into an all out fight, believing that this would lead to total war with Muslims thus increasing support for them in Europe and in the Middle East.

My focus in that thread has been why they fight us here in the West

Grayson · 26-07-2016 11:13PM

Bambi wrote: »

Outrage is all good and well but a fleet of B52s turning Fallujah into a the past tense might be more effective

Except Fallujah is not ISIS territory. I realise you're blood thirsty but you might not want to bomb the guys who are fighting ISIS.

BorneTobyWilde · 26-07-2016 11:14PM

So called innocent Muslims are not reporting planned attacks they hear info on. They sit back and watch it unfold and then wipe their hands clean of it. Muslim whispers never heard.

BorneTobyWilde · 26-07-2016 11:15PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sjSHazjrWg

A muslin with a correct message.

Widdershins · 26-07-2016 11:16PM

Not everyone has realised yet . ISIS declared a caliphate . They are achieving this caliphate by means of Jihad . So many people are still confused about what is happening .

end of the road · 26-07-2016 11:17PM

anewme wrote: »

shut the borders

not going to make any difference. home grown nuts are just as (if not more) of an issue now.

anewme wrote: »

stop all the pc pussyfooting around.

they're is no "pc pussyfooting around" . pc is a term made up by racists and nothing more. it doesn't actually exist.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 26-07-2016 11:18PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So called innocent Muslims are not reporting planned attacks they hear info on. They sit back and watch it unfold and then wipe their hands clean of it. Muslim whispers never heard.

Please do tell more.

weldoninhio · 26-07-2016 11:19PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I think it might have been the Blanchardstown Imam who said what is said by some irish Imams to the media is very different to what is said behind closed doors . I don't want to get anyone into trouble and I'm not at all sure what the Immam's name was . Anyone know the one I mean ?

I'd imagine he was talking about Halawa and Selim. The Imam of Blanch tried to organise a march for peace against ISIS, a member of his mosque was battered in Clonskeagh Mosque for handing out flyers.

26-07-2016 11:20PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'd imagine he was talking about Halawa and Selim. The Imam of Blanch tried to organise a march for peace against ISIS, a member of his mosque was battered in Clonskeagh Mosque for handing out flyers.

any link to that story?

Hostage situation in French church

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