Hostage situation in French church

beach_walker · 26-07-2016 02:14PM

Apparently one of the attackers was caught trying to make his way to Syria last year. Turkey sent him back to France where he was jailed briefly and released while wearing an electronic tag.

Bubbaclaus · 26-07-2016 02:14PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Lads, you're more likely to be hit by a car, so nothing to see here. These attacks scarcely even matter. Forget about them.

That's not the point being made. The point being made is that people shouldn't be afraid to go a holiday or leave their house because the chances of actually getting caught up in something are so negligible to be irrelevant.

dissed doc · 26-07-2016 02:15PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Seems a huge number of new regs in Jun and July 2016 posting in these ISIS/Terror/Muslim threads. One would swear an agenda is being pushed :eek:

I believe the agenda being pushed is the "violently execute non-Muslims" agenda, brought to you by people who following Islam to the letter.

Jihad is part of Islam. You want diversity, now you have it. No-one told you that diversity also means violence and death and rape? ORLY u didnt get the message?

old_aussie · 26-07-2016 02:15PM

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Two men with knives stormed a church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvary in Normandy seizing a priest two nuns and other hostages. The priest had his throat cut before both men were shot by police.

This wave of violence now a daily event in Europe with crazed fanatics feeding on each other.

The aim is clearly to create a wave of hysteria and inspire mob violence in order to trigger a civil and religious conflict in the heart of Europe.

If something is not done to stop this cancer, it wont be long before people have had enough and do something about it.

Political Correctness has had it's day.

Australia will indefinitely detain people convicted of terrorism-related charges if it feels they pose an ongoing danger to society upon their release, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said on Monday.

About time someone had the balls to step up to the plate and do something!

Dyr · 26-07-2016 02:17PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Seems a huge number of new regs in Jun and July 2016 posting in these ISIS/Terror/Muslim threads. One would swear an agenda is being pushed :eek:

As opposed to well established posters like yourself with march reg dates?

HensVassal · 26-07-2016 02:17PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Conspiracy forum >>>>>>>

True to form :rolleyes:

munchkin_utd · 26-07-2016 02:18PM

from the Guardian one of the attackers "was released in March 2016 despite the protests of prosecutors and allowed to live at home with an electronic bracelet that allowed his movements to be monitored."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/26/men-hostages-french-church-police-normandy-saint-etienne-du-rouvray

along with the Ansbach attacker who was days away from deported before blowing himself up, there will be clamours to lock up potential terrorists I expect over the next days and weeks.

HensVassal · 26-07-2016 02:19PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

I've no idea if they shouted it or not. All we know is that some hostages said they did, and that ISIS has claimed responsibility. We can take the (limited) facts as they are, or we can theorize that they didn't say it, or were dumb ISIS fanboys. I can't tell you one way or the other.

The police said he shouted it and the Telegraph reported that..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/26/two-men-with-knifes-take-hostages-in-normandy-church/

A Primal Nut · 26-07-2016 02:20PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Seems a huge number of new regs in Jun and July 2016 posting in these ISIS/Terror/Muslim threads. One would swear an agenda is being pushed :eek:

Yeah that terrible agenda where people want to stop innocent Europeans from being killed indiscriminately.

A Primal Nut · 26-07-2016 02:24PM

dav3 wrote: »

I just find it odd that certain people don't show the same level of hysteria about what is going on in their own country, compared to something that is going on thousands of miles away.
More people will be killed by guns and knives in this country in our lifetime than by an imaginary bogeyman.

Imaginary? So all these people killed by ISIS in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, France, Germany, etc....what really happened? Did they actually kill themselves?

Duggy747 · 26-07-2016 02:25PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It is utterly irrelevant. It matters not one bit whether ISIS organized it directly. The salient fact is that ISIS has commanded followers of their version of Islam to commit these acts, and that these attackers are inspired by that ideology.

ISIS isn't an organisation with a direct grassroots structure like the Fianna Fail cumainn. Anybody who takes comfort in that fact, or dismisses ISIS for that reason, is kidding themselves. The unpredictable nature of ISIS-inspired attacks makes ISIS as an ideological force in the West all the more invisible and erratic, and more dangerous.

You just made the exact same point I was making, I was replying to the poster who was wondering why the attackers would apparently shout "Daesh"

fed up sick and tired · 26-07-2016 02:25PM

dav3 wrote: »

How far do we want to go with the hysteria though?

We have a far greater chance of being killed by a knife or gun in this country by an Irish person, than by a terrorist attack.

http://www.thejournal.ie/knife-crime/news/
http://www.thejournal.ie/gun-crime/news/

Not all gang related. Plenty of innocent people have been shot and stabbed in this country in recent years. Not too much hysteria about it on here though.

Does anybody care? Or do some people only care when they can push a racist agenda?

Islam is not a race. How many more times ?

Saipanne · 26-07-2016 02:25PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

That's not the point being made. The point being made is that people shouldn't be afraid to go a holiday or leave their house because the chances of actually getting caught up in something are so negligible to be irrelevant.

You're "points" are a constantly moving target, lad.

speedboatchase · 26-07-2016 02:27PM

Saipanne wrote: »

You're "points" are a constantly moving target, lad.

You're still here?

We got it. Cars. Move along...

Saipanne · 26-07-2016 02:28PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

You're still here?

We got it. Cars. Move along...

God, you are really slow to get things.

HensVassal · 26-07-2016 02:28PM

beach_walker wrote: »

Apparently one of the attackers was caught trying to make his way to Syria last year. Turkey sent him back to France where he was jailed briefly and released while wearing an electronic tag.

Amazing they know so much about the attackers in a matter of hours. Let me guess, they brought their ID's with them on a suicide mission.

Saipanne · 26-07-2016 02:29PM

More likely to die by bear attack, guys. You're really in no actual danger.

Bubbaclaus · 26-07-2016 02:29PM

Saipanne wrote: »

You're "points" are a constantly moving target, lad.

Explain that one. The poster I responded to is after saying several times how dangerous Europe is and how'd you'd have to be nuts to go on a trip there. I was dismissing that. Not sure how I changed point at any stage.

But I'm sure you'll have an adult and factual response for me

dav3 · 26-07-2016 02:30PM

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

Islam is not a race. How many more times ?

How many more times what?

Skylinehead · 26-07-2016 02:30PM

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

Islam is not a race. How many more times ?

Entirely irrelevant though. Sectarianism, racism, equally bad. You can't justify it by saying "it's not racism".

Saipanne · 26-07-2016 02:30PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Explain that one. The poster I responded to is after saying several times how dangerous Europe is and how'd you'd have to be nuts to go on a trip there. I was dismissing that. Not sure how I changed point at any stage.

But I'm sure you'll have an adult and factual response for me

Yeah, just like you dodging your little "disposal" argument earlier.

conorhal · 26-07-2016 02:33PM

dissed doc wrote: »

I believe the agenda being pushed is the "violently execute non-Muslims" agenda, brought to you by people who following Islam to the letter.

Jihad is part of Islam. You want diversity, now you have it. No-one told you that diversity also means violence and death and rape? ORLY u didnt get the message?

Multiculturalism in Libworld:

Multiculturalism in the real world:

Cheerful Spring · 26-07-2016 02:33PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Amazing they know so much about the attackers in a matter of hours. Let me guess, they brought their ID's with them on a suicide mission.

They could be known and once they have a picture of the attackers, it probably will not take long to verify who they are.

Strazdas · 26-07-2016 02:33PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Amazing they know so much about the attackers in a matter of hours. Let me guess, they brought their ID's with them on a suicide mission.

Local police recognised one of the dead terrorists. Apparently he lives in Saint-Etienne-du Rouvray and they knew immediately he had been a terror suspect,

Butters1979 · 26-07-2016 02:38PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Amazing they know so much about the attackers in a matter of hours. Let me guess, they brought their ID's with them on a suicide mission.

One of them had an electronic ankle bracelet after being arrested trying to travel so Syria. The kind of thing that helps you identify someone fast.

Musketeer4 · 26-07-2016 02:38PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

BREAKING: Berlin. Doctor shot to death by patient who turns gun on himself.
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I can bet my bottom dollar that the gunman was male and in his 20s.

When it's confirmed, my point is proven.
Someone here compared my proposal to internment. I guess it is not far off the mark but extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.

I don't see why this demographic cannot be retained in the refugee camps within their countries of origin while letting women, the young and the old to flee. It takes the pressure off the refugee camps to allow the women and children to leave and it also ensures that the high risk demographic are kept under control. It is safer for the women and the young/elderly too because there is a phenomenal propensity for sexual crimes amongst middle eastern men.

I think the countries neighbouring ISIS controlled lands have a lot to answer for with regard to not keeping tight borders and preventing the outflow of dangerous individuals. If needs be I think gateway countries such as turkey should be making the borders a no-go zone. High fences, walls and I think even extensive minefields should be considered in hot spots if the situation calls for it.

A Primal Nut · 26-07-2016 02:38PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Entirely irrelevant though. Sectarianism, racism, equally bad. You can't justify it by saying "it's not racism".

What about when people criticize the Westboro Baptist Church? Why is that ok? It's a religion, right?

Cheerful Spring · 26-07-2016 02:38PM

Saipanne wrote: »

More likely to die by bear attack, guys. You're really in no actual danger.

Nobody truly knows how many terrorists have come in from Syria, Africa, and Iraq. If you believe Isis they send thousands of fighters to Europe and wait it out and attack at a time they are ready. I would not go to France if attacks are happening everyday.

26-07-2016 02:40PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Entirely irrelevant though. Sectarianism, racism, equally bad. You can't justify it by saying "it's not racism".

Well no it doesn't quite meet the definition of sectarianism either.

And of course it's far more legitimate to criticise adherents of a religion than to criticize a race of people.

If some bloke doesn't want to go on a date with a girl from Tinder because she's an evangelical Christian, or a devout Muslim, that's entirely legitimate. It is not at all in the same league as spurning someone because she's black or Asian.

Moving on from that point, but in a similar vein, Islam has a problem, we have to accept that. It is a religion whose geographic origins and very inflammatory scriptures make it an easy platform from which to spread hatred.

FalconGirl · 26-07-2016 02:41PM

Saipanne wrote: »

More likely to die by bear attack, guys. You're really in no actual danger.

I'm sure the kids who walked the prom that night in Nice, or people who attended mass this morning in St Etienne felt no danger either or the souls who went to see a rock concert and never came home.

Just admit we have a problem. Sick of this denial guff. If this thread is anything to go by we'll have Europeans turning on each other as ISIS run amok.

The bleeding heart liberals are going to get people killed.

Hostage situation in French church

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