Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

Grayson · 25-07-2016 09:41PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

As women are clearly considered inferior beings that need men to control every aspect of their lives by Islam the thinking is that they have to be wrapped up because they are mentally challenged and can't control themselves.

Hadith
The Prophet said, "Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind."

Quran
''Men are managers of the affairs of women because Allah has made the one superior to the other. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 329)''

1 Timothy 2:11-15

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

1 Corinthians 11:5

But every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.

All of the Abrahamic religions are full of this crap.

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 10:34PM

Only one religion has a serious problem now with members not seeing the words of the holy book as allegorical. The same religion whose places of worship in germany and france are being found to be packed with guns . Before anyone says it, not all of them .

unseenfootage · 25-07-2016 10:44PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Only one religion has a serious problem now with members not seeing the words of the holy book as allegorical. The same religion whose places of worship in germany and france are being found to be packed with guns . Before anyone says it, not all of them .

I honestly haven't come across any reports of guns being stashed in synagogues.
Are you sure of this?

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 10:46PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I honestly haven't come across any reports of guns being stashed in synagogues.
Are you sure of this?

ha,ha.

Gatling · 25-07-2016 10:48PM

Widdershins wrote: »

The same religion whose places of worship in germany and france are being found to be packed with guns . Before anyone says it, not all of them .

Do tell us more and or links

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 10:52PM

Gatling wrote: »

Do tell us more and or links

google it. weapons found in greengrocers shop near salafist mosque . apparently not literally in it, i was going on a kurdish person's description which was slightly hard to follow .

gw80 · 25-07-2016 10:56PM

Widdershins wrote: »

google it. weapons found in greengrocers shop near salafist mosque . apparently not literally in it, i was going on a kurdish person's description which was slightly hard to follow .

Oooh, your gonna get it

Gatling · 25-07-2016 10:59PM

Widdershins wrote: »

google it. weapons found in greengrocers shop near salafist mosque . apparently not literally in it, i was going on a kurdish person's description which was slightly hard to follow .

"Those places of worship in France and Germany found packed with Guns"

"Someone told me a shop now oh boy "

BorneTobyWilde · 25-07-2016 11:01PM

Maybe it's time to give ISIS what they want ?/
Can anyone tell me what it is they want ?

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 11:02PM

Gatling wrote: »

"Those places of worship in France and Germany found packed with Guns"

"Someone told me a shop now oh boy "

Ah well . They would be a bit silly to store an arsenal IN the mosque . I'm sure everyone makes posts in tiredness , no? And I assume you have found that story?

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 11:03PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Maybe it's time to give ISIS what they want ?/
Can anyone tell me what it is they want ?

A caliphate .

unseenfootage · 25-07-2016 11:05PM

Widdershins wrote: »

google it. weapons found in greengrocers shop near salafist mosque . apparently not literally in it, i was going on a kurdish person's description which was slightly hard to follow .

Hope you like memes bruh

Got this one for ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seVdI6FGjk0

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 11:11PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Hope you like memes bruh

Got this one for ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seVdI6FGjk0

I corrected the original statement 'bruh'. An innocent mistake . The weapons caches are a fact but in tiredness I confused the two places . Perhaps you should think about the implications of that . As I was trying to say -are they likely to raid the village shop two doors down from the village church and find an arsenal ? and no, IRA references aren't applicable . Continue on point scoring to deflect from the issue of grocery shops being used to house salafist's weapons .

HensVassal · 25-07-2016 11:19PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

No the punishment IS relevant, how crimes are punished is a clear indication of the barbaric nature of the country in question.

NO, the punishment IS IRRELEVANT.

You stated that you couldn't commit an act in a certain place. You didn't stop to think that it was also illegal elsewhere.

You are now trying to act like where your initial theatre is somehow dreadful because the punishment for the crime that you dredged up is somehow "stiff"

And on top of that you try to state that the harsh punishment for drinking in public denotes how barbaric that society is.

If you vandalise a car or piss in public in Singapore.....you are sentenced to lashes.

OK?

So, think before you call a muslim society barbaric and a secular one acceptable.

KERSPLAT! · 26-07-2016 12:05AM

HensVassal wrote: »

NO, the punishment IS IRRELEVANT.

You stated that you couldn't commit an act in a certain place. You didn't stop to think that it was also illegal elsewhere.

You are now trying to act like where your initial theatre is somehow dreadful because the punishment for the crime that you dredged up is somehow "stiff"

And on top of that you try to state that the harsh punishment for drinking in public denotes how barbaric that society is.

If you vandalise a car or piss in public in Singapore.....you are sentenced to lashes.

OK?

So, think before you call a muslim society barbaric and a secular one acceptable.

Mod

The user is thread banned. Don't try to engage them here, PM them if needs be, thank you.

HensVassal · 26-07-2016 12:30AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I'll probably wake up tomorrow morning and something else will have happened. Merkel still not resigned which is rather shocking considering the state her country has been in for a while now. The sex attacks in the new year was just a warning sign.

Now they are bringing bombs with them. I can only thank MI5 for saving us from experiencing this.

Stop sobbing

HensVassal · 26-07-2016 12:37AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I assume you're writing that post in the same country as I am, where the majority of the people have previously rejected the right to access divorce. I'm not even 30 and that happened the year I was born.

40% of Irish voters once voted to impede women from accessing information on abortions, and a similar amount voted to impede women from leaving the country to access abortion.

i don't know how many of those voters were women, but I have no doubt a substantial number of them were. God knows what they were thinking, but they certainly weren't behaving in favour of their own liberty, and I have little hesitation in saying the same thing about well-educated Muslim women.

Many people in conservative societies are their own jailors, that is a well-established phenomenon.

We shouldn't ban Islamic hijab, but we have every reason to object to it on civil liberties grounds, especially for the sake of those women who claim to be content with that ridiculous get-up which covers their entire face.

It's a piece of cloth, much like a cloak or a mini-skirt.

People on this forum yammer like clowns about how Iranian women must wear a head scrarf in public.

Iranian doctors, surgeons, male and female ...some of the most skilled in the world would never allow a woman to die on the table like our cretins did. So I'll take a scarf over the wretched way that our bull**** wankocracy allowed that woman to die.

HensVassal · 26-07-2016 12:39AM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Mod

The user is thread banned. Don't try to engage them here, PM them if needs be, thank you.

Apologies

Stigura · 26-07-2016 12:53AM

HensVassal wrote: »

Stop sobbing

Ye got told there, Pony!

rachb · 26-07-2016 01:34AM

So in the last few hours, it has been reported that the suicide bomber pledged allegiance to Isis. So this is a terrorist attack! Thank god the only person he killed was himself and I hope all of the innocent victims in this attack will make a full recovery.

Jimmy Garlic · 26-07-2016 02:18AM

rachb wrote: »

So in the last few hours, it has been reported that the suicide bomber pledged allegiance to Isis. So this is a terrorist attack! Thank god the only person he killed was himself and I hope all of the innocent victims in this attack will make a full recovery.

And an ''asylum seeker'' too. Things are looking bad for Merkel. She got away with rolling out the no questions asked red carpet for god knows who by invoking German guilt. Reality is sinking in now.

Stigura · 26-07-2016 03:00AM

" German Guilt " ? I think she's completely redefining it. Turning it upside down. Twisting it inside out.

No. I think it'll become known as " Merkels Fault ".

Likely to have more ill effect on the world than the San Andreas ever has, or will, too.

Light refreshment, anyone? Perfectly safe for work

Dirty Dingus McGee · 26-07-2016 05:29AM

When is the next election in Germany?

Surely Merkel isn't going to get back in.

Polo_Mint · 26-07-2016 07:57AM

What I would like to know now is the time frame of pledging allegiance to Isis and carrying out attacks.

munchkin_utd · 26-07-2016 08:08AM

Polo_Mint wrote: »

What I would like to know now is the time frame of pledging allegiance to Isis and carrying out attacks.

I cant find any info on that as it still seems to be unclear to the investigators. It does seem that he was busy being depressed and then trying to kill himself twice, to being a petty criminal then before being finally enlighted to go and kill a few germans for the ISIS cause.

I will post some info on that here when it comes up, but then again I wonder if theres any point seeing as threads on specific (and interesting in themselves) incidents like this get turned into a conversation on how to kill feckin chickens compassionately.

The german press commentary this morning on this incident mentions that the governing parties are now set for a reopening of the whole refugee debate with the Bavarian president saying that "we need to know who is in our country".
But, ironically this lad is in Germany for 2 years, as was the lad with the axe earlier in the week.

So thats irrelevant to this incident, and indeed irrelevant to this thread on a specific lone wolf attack, a lone wolf who wasnt killing chickens (compasionately or cruelly by halal methods)

homerjay2005 · 26-07-2016 08:27AM

from the BBC article it says only 23 people out of 162,000 applications were rejected.
would have expected that to be much higher, given the volume of people involved and the volume of crimes being committed. surely if they commit a crime, they should be rejected.

and this guy was up for deportation back to Bulgaria.....why not just send him back home?

very bizzare management of this from the EU, and it looks like its only going to get worse. the sad thing is, its planning out exactly as what people who dared to question the logic in his, had feared.

Polo_Mint · 26-07-2016 08:28AM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

I cant find any info on that as it still seems to be unclear to the investigators. It does seem that he was busy being depressed and then trying to kill himself twice, to being a petty criminal then before being finally enlighted to go and kill a few germans for the ISIS cause.

I will post some info on that here when it comes up, but then again I wonder if theres any point seeing as threads on specific (and interesting in themselves) incidents like this get turned into a conversation on how to kill feckin chickens compassionately.

The german press commentary this morning on this incident mentions that the governing parties are now set for a reopening of the whole refugee debate with the Bavarian president saying that "we need to know who is in our country".
But, ironically this lad is in Germany for 2 years, as was the lad with the axe earlier in the week.

So that's irrelevant to this incident, and indeed irrelevant to this thread on a specific lone wolf attack, a lone wolf who wasn't killing chickens (compassionately or cruelly by halal methods)

That's why I'm asking the question

Is the EU importing known terrorists with ideological terrorist views.

or

Are we seeing Murder-suicides based on desperation, depression and mental health pledging allegiance to ISIS days before attacks to grab an Audience.

Pro Hoc Vice · 26-07-2016 08:44AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

from the BBC article it says only 23 people out of 162,000 applications were rejected.
would have expected that to be much higher, given the volume of people involved and the volume of crimes being committed. surely if they commit a crime, they should be rejected.

and this guy was up for deportation back to Bulgaria.....why not just send him back home?

very bizzare management of this from the EU, and it looks like its only going to get worse. the sad thing is, its planning out exactly as what people who dared to question the logic in his, had feared.

I don't understand the first point re crime is it crimes committed before coming to Germany or after a person arrives.

A person can be deported to hone country if say Germany decides the application. If on the other hand the person came through another country (first safe country doctrine) then under (Dublin II) the first country makes the decision and the second country do not deport they instead make a transfer order. While it may on first look sons silly it was set up that way to stop forum shopping. The theory being that a real refugee will seek asylum in first safe country.

There is no logic to a situation such as this. Parts of the Middle East are hell on earth. Millions of people want out, there is no easy solution. It's simple we in Europe either accept the concept of Asylum, if we do we accept that the burden should be spread across the EU. (And yes we must accept that some will be nutters who want to do harm) Or we say no and each person who says no must do so in the knowledge that many people will die. because of that decision. Either option brings risks. But be sure of one thing because of the failed decisions made in relation to the Middle East since the 1980's the rise of radical Islam and the rise in right wing ideology we are looking at one hell of a war, and I don't think it will be a lone gunman type war it will be full on this is the 1920's 30's all over again.

Pro Hoc Vice · 26-07-2016 09:00AM

Polo_Mint wrote: »

That's why I'm asking the question

Is the EU importing known terrorists with ideological terrorist views.

or

Are we seeing Murder-suicides based on desperation, depression and mental health pledging allegiance to ISIS days before attacks to grab an Audience.

First of all the EU is not importing anything. But in a mass movement of people is there a chance that radical Islam followers may try to get in? Well the real answer is yes. One idea is to take only families well the Nice attacker was a family man. Sadly there is no machine like in blade runner to id the bad guys.

If to look at Paris attacks, Belguim and Nice they all seem well organised, I may be wrong no connections to The current asylum process. In my opinion in light of planning and weapons they must be connected well before to some radical Islam.

The other type often called lone wolf are in my opinion dissatisfied youth often but not always new arrivals always levels of mental illness and possibly with suicide tendency. In the USA a number of years ago it was discovered that some people went out to be shot by police in what was a suicide in reality but a cop pulled the trigger.

The fact is that while it seems the world has gone made and Radical Islam is serious so is the radical right and the left. Over 2000 people a year in Germany die from murder/manslaughter that is about 6 a day. German has a ongoing trial where a far right group murdered 10 people a few years ago. A refugee centre was last year attacked with a grenade in fact 222 attacks took place.

munchkin_utd · 26-07-2016 09:07AM

Polo_Mint wrote: »

That's why I'm asking the question

Is the EU importing known terrorists with ideological terrorist views.

or

Are we seeing Murder-suicides based on desperation, depression and mental health pledging allegiance to ISIS days before attacks to grab an Audience.

the police have multiple phones, sim cards, a laptop and access (i think) to a half dozen face book profiles ran by this fella.
It'll take a while to analyse everything and to be fair the minister comes out with preliminary info fairly soon after its collated.

To illustrate the seriousness of the matter, the investigation is now handed from the Bavarian state authorities to the national authorities as its being treated as a terrorism related matter.
from the more familiar US system you'll get the concept there too, that depending on the seriousness you investigate a crime at a city, or state or federal level with only very serious stuff going to the FBI

as for why he wasn't deported, it was confirmed it was postponed for health issues (see article below) but 12 days ago the authorities had reactivated the deportation order and that would have meant he was gone within 30days.
Maybe the trigger to do the attack now, seeing as he could be gone any day ?

and still on the topic at hand, ISIS have issued a video proporting to be the Ansbach attacker, but its a lad with his face covered so its not possible to tell yet if its real or not, but thats a job for the police to figure out.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/is-bekennervideo-soll-attentaeter-von-ansbach-zeigen-14357797.html

Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

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