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UFC/MMA etc crossover Thread *Spoilers for latest show*

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    #812
    Bret Hart
    Registered Users Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭Bret Hart


    I found,it hard to take his comeback seriously,and appreciate it as much as I'd have liked,when it was very obvious that he was anything but clean.

    Then didn't need too take a urine sample too see that.


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    #813
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,498 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    WWE statement.
    The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) has informed Brock Lesnar of a potential policy violation, stemming from an out-of-competition sample collected on June 28, 2016, according to a statement released by UFC on Friday afternoon and reported on by ESPN and other news sources.

    Lesnar successfully returned to the UFC against Mark Hunt 12 days later on July 9 at UFC 200. The results of the sampling were received by USADA on July 14/

    Brock Lesnar has not performed for WWE since WrestleMania and is not scheduled to return until Sunday, Aug. 21    .

    Brock hasn't been here so it's nothing to do with us.

    http://www.wwe.com/article/brock-lesnar-anti-doping-policy-violation


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    #814
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,750 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    WWE statement.



    Brock hasn't been here so it's nothing to do with us.

    http://www.wwe.com/article/brock-lesnar-anti-doping-policy-violation

    Yep. And that's the angle they will use to not suspend him 30 days. Was Brock tested by WWE as part of the wellness program ?


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    #815
    johnnyryan89
    Registered Users Posts: 8,820 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Yep. And that's the angle they will use to not suspend him 30 days. Was Brock tested by WWE as part of the wellness program ?

    To save face they should just give him the 30 day ban and he'll still be back in time for Summerslam. Not a 100% per cent sure but I think only those on full time contracts are tested.


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    #816
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,498 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Well Brock is a contracted employee something they are/were very happy to say before UFC 200.

    He may not have been seen on WWE TV since WM than doesn't mean he isn't excluded from testing and if it does mean that then it ridicules there wellness policy even more.


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    #817
    Ageyev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Well Brock is a contracted employee something they are/were very happy to say before UFC 200.

    He may not have been seen on WWE TV since WM than doesn't mean he isn't excluded from testing and if it does mean that then it ridicules there wellness policy even more.

    There's very little transparency in the operation of WWE's policy. It's a bit of an open joke tbh.


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    #818
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    WWE only have a wellness policy.

    Most of the older guys can easily get a testosterone boost with a prescription.

    As far as PEDs go the policy is only really aimed at stopping guys buying dodgy gear or taking dangerous amounts. Under a doctor's supervision they can still access alot.

    The rest of the policy is aimed at substance abuse.

    Put both parts together and it's a good policy if not perfect.


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    #819
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,498 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    DM_7 wrote: »
    WWE only have a wellness policy.

    Most of the older guys can easily get a testosterone boost with a prescription.

    As far as PEDs go the policy is only really aimed at stopping guys buying dodgy gear or taking dangerous amounts. Under a doctor's supervision they can still access alot.

    The rest of the policy is aimed at substance abuse.

    Put both parts together and it's a good policy if not perfect.

    So what you are saying is..

    Take all steroids you want if the you can find a doctor to sign off on it but if you smoke a bit of weed to wind down instead of drinking a liter of Jack it's a strike.


    Joke shop is right.


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    #820
    The White Feather
    Registered Users Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Brock has responded about the USADA failed test.

    He said
    We will get to the bottom of this
    Full article here

    Its strange as it says
    The AP also obtained copies of three letters from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency to Lesnar, informing the fighter that he had passed tests on three samples submitted over a nine-day period in mid-June, mere days before the sample with the potential violation was collected.


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    #821
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    So what you are saying is..

    Take all steroids you want if the you can find a doctor to sign off on it but if you smoke a bit of weed to wind down instead of drinking a liter of Jack it's a strike.


    Joke shop is right.

    Is Weed not a fine?


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    #822
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,498 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    DM_7 wrote: »
    Is Weed not a fine?


    It's a fine alright maybe not a strike it seems to be different rules for different wrestlers from what I can see over the years anyway.


    But the whole wellness policy is a joke it may have good intentions but unless it's implemented across the board to all WWE employees on an even scale it can only be seen as a joke.


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    #823
    The White Feather
    Registered Users Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    In every cloud there is a silver lining.....

    The good news for Undertaker fans, is that Vince should reverse the Brock win due to the drugs violation so Undertaker's streak is still alive!!!!!

    The Streak is still going strong folks!


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    #824
    slicus ricus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭slicus ricus


    One of his training partners has said the failure was due to use of an asthma inhaler. That might explain the wording of the result by USADA as a "potential violation".


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    #825
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    slicus ricus wrote: »
    One of his training partners has said the failure was due to use of an asthma inhaler. That might explain the wording of the result by USADA as a "potential violation".

    Amazing amount of world class athletes that have asthma that comes out once they fail a test


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    #826
    ERG89
    Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    http://www.mmamania.com/2016/7/19/12230928/brock-lesnar-in-competition-drug-test-comes-back-positive-for-ufc-200-mma


    Failed a second test now for the same substance. Anyone got a link to that story about him not wanting to work with Reign's at Mania due to a supposed drug test failure. Seriously the dumbest thing I ever read on here :pac:
    Great timing too


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    #827
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    The substance Brock Lesnar failed both his tests for was clomifene, more commonly known as clomid. Clomid is an estrogen blocker typically taken by someone coming off steroids to kickstart their natural production of testosterone and fight the side effects one gets when cycling off, like gynomastia (b*tch t*ts) or hypo-gonadism.

    Seems clear Brock was cycling off to get back into fighting and took this unaware that it was banned.

    Incidentally, it is the same drug as one of the ones which Jon Jones was popped for.


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    #828
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    ERG89 wrote: »
    http://www.mmamania.com/2016/7/19/12230928/brock-lesnar-in-competition-drug-test-comes-back-positive-for-ufc-200-mma


    Failed a second test now for the same substance. Anyone got a link to that story about him not wanting to work with Reign's at Mania due to a supposed drug test failure. Seriously the dumbest thing I ever read on here :pac:
    Great timing too

    Did someone actually suggest he wouldn't want to work with Reigns because of the failure? You have to be kidding right?


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    #829
    martyos121
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    Monokne wrote: »
    Did someone actually suggest he wouldn't want to work with Reigns because of the failure? You have to be kidding right?

    In fairness, I don't think it was anyone here that said it, it was a Reddit post copied over here I believe. I really hope nobody had that thought anyway.


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    #830
    Agent Coulson
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    Not looking good for Brock now.

    Brock Lesnar also failed in-competition drug test at UFC 200
    Lesnar failed both tests for the same banned substance, the UFC release stated. USADA has yet to reveal the name of the drug and won't unless Lesnar makes it public first himself.

    http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/7/19/12230962/brock-lesnar-also-failed-in-competition-drug-test-at-ufc-200


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    #831
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    The substance he failed for is clomid, for those who missed it.


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    #832
    Depp
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    Monokne wrote: »
    The substance he failed for is clomid, for those who missed it.

    where was that announced? thats basically an alternative to trt isnt it?


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    #833
    Chain Smoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    Thought it was Jon Jones that failed for it? I mean, Brock may have too, but it definitely hasn't been formally announced anywhere.


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    #834
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Jones failed for it too.

    Clomid is an estrogen blocker typically taken by someone coming off steroids to kickstart their natural production of testosterone and fight the side effects one gets when cycling off, like gynomastia (b*tch t*ts) or hypo-gonadism. It is not an alternative to TRT in the sense that TRT is introducing false testosterone into the system where Clomid is attempting to stimulate the natural production of it. Even taken in vast quantities, clomid would not raise your testosterone levels to an abnormal range.


    http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-ufc-brock-lesnar-second-positive-drug-test-20160719-snap-story.html


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    #835
    Agent Coulson
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    If proven to have taken PED's does Brock forfeit his payday and PPV bonus?


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    #836
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Nope not a cent


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    #837
    Ageyev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    If proven to have taken PED's does Brock forfeit his payday and PPV bonus?

    Likely a fine of his purse but his big money is from PPV which the commission doesn't have jurisdiction over.


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    #838
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    The commission have been taking between 50% & 70% of purses recently, which could mean Brock would be out anywhere from $1.25 - $1.75 million dollars. Considering Brocks purse is so much larger than anyone who's ever fought for UFC in Nevada it's possible they'll only fine him 30% or so since that'd still be almost 7 figures. But personally I wouldn't expect any leniency, particularly given he failed on fight night AND before.

    Brock is so hardheaded and he lives in Canada so I can imagine him fighting it or refusing to pay. The commission can put a lien on any properties he owns in the US though, which I'm sure he still does. Whatever happens, I expect the game to go on a while. There's a looo-ooot of money involved.


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    #839
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Brock has not been suspended by WWE has he? There had been a lot of talk that for PR reasons etc WWE would probably give him a wellness strike given the failed test even if it was outside of the WWE and that they would have had to do it by now if they were going to have him back from a suspension a la Reigns to fight at the next PPV (Summerslam).


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    #840
    ERG89
    Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Bounty Hunter wrote: »
    Brock has not been suspended by WWE has he? There had been a lot of talk that for PR reasons etc WWE would probably give him a wellness strike given the failed test even if it was outside of the WWE and that they would have had to do it by now if they were going to have him back from a suspension a la Reigns to fight at the next PPV (Summerslam).

    There was time to do it before SummerSlam but they didn't cause their policy is a public joke tbh.


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    #841
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    It's been confirmed by WWE to Meltzer that there will be no suspension.

    Put bluntly, I don't really see a need to suspend him either. You could easily have done a 30 day one but it would have been a PR move given he goes 90 days without working for them at a time anyway. And more pertinently, it's not like he was caught with dianabol in his system, or even a street drug like cocaine. It's clomid. It's just an estrogen blocker. In a vacuum, it isn't a big deal. I am aware it means he probably was on something at some point, but without the smoking gun, I don't see suspending him. He's not competing in a sport, he's putting on a performance. I could give two f*cks whether he happens to be using clomid.


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