Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

beach_walker · 25-07-2016 01:16PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Can an Irish women have an abortion like women in other countries or are they forced to obey the rules of the misogynist catholic church.

They're most definitely not forced to obey the rules of the Church. Unless you can point out the part of our government which is appointed by the Vatican?

If you're talking about the ban on some forms of abortion, it's democratic will of the people (or was anyway). Take it up with the populace.

Next you'll be mouthing that our lack of capital punishment is the result of the Catholic Church running the country.

What about the Misogynist Catholic church telling women that they can't practice contraception because it is sinful.

Aye, the Church is all for condoms and male artificial contraception. Good lad.

HensVassal · 25-07-2016 01:20PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Women didn't invent the burqa .A woman wouldn't wear one if she hadn't been indoctrinated from childhood and it means little to say she wears it of her own volition . All that means is she isn't railing against it or does not realise she was brainwashed . I have a lovely photo somewhere of desert sand strewn with burqas after the region was liberated and another of two beaming women stepping out of the things .

You don't know the history of traditional dress in the Muslim or Central Asian world so stop pretending like they should dress the way you want and if they don't then they're being forced to dress in a certain way. You're looking at these cultures through the narrow prism of what people in the West wear now.

Go back to Victorian times when women covered every inch of their bodies from neck to wrists to feet and always had to cover their heads when outside. Would you be so damning of Muslim women in hijabs then?
What about African women in their big multi-coloured robes and head-scarves? What about indian women in their saris or Pakistani women in their pyjamas?

Venom · 25-07-2016 01:21PM

Bambi wrote: »

If you're going use whataboutery to defend islam then you'll be on a sticky wicket all day

the wall eyed loons of allah can beat everyone else in repression top trumps

Of course they can.

They kill everyone else on the list :pac:

Dyr · 25-07-2016 01:21PM

techdiver wrote: »

They had no choice. Most were conscripted. And as with all wars today, they were primarily from poor or underprivileged backgrounds. Why is it no wealthy or powerful people ever fight these wars??

Not at all, men from all classes fought in world war 1 & 2, the upper classes lost more young men as a percentage in world war 1 than any other class

But yeah, it's usually the self important privileged types with the money to become "refugee"'s that get to avoid wars. Because you're worth it I suppose

The_Mac · 25-07-2016 01:22PM

What is it with people on this board taking any attempt they can to bash the Catholic Church and try to say it's as bad as Islam. Most young people in this country who identify as Catholic are fairly lapsed, and don't follow everything the Vatican says.

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 01:22PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I asked about Catholic laws and you give me an update on the state of the believers.

because you measure the influence of a regional by the devotion and compliance of it's believers and whether they take the holy books seriously enough to run their lives and societies by that . i disagree with the abortion law and all religious influence on society .

Richard Hillman · 25-07-2016 01:24PM

There is no point trying to convince the last remnants of the Multi-Cults that The Merkel Plan was a disaster. They are like those Japanese soldiers that refused to believe Hirohito surrendered.

You've lost lads. You were disastrously wrong. People are dead because of it. More will die. Come out of the bunker and help the war effort.

ricero · 25-07-2016 01:25PM

The donald must save us. He would be the only world leader to strongly fight against islamic extremism. Libeals and the pc brigade has brought this terror upon us

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 01:28PM

techdiver wrote: »

Plus I still don't see what these single, able bodied men are supposed to do about a train military force closing in on them?? How are they supposed to fight them? Who will arm them, who will train them?

The kurds have been showing Deash up as the undertrained, Ill composed f++kwits that they are. They succeed only where cowards allow them to do so.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

Grayson · 25-07-2016 01:29PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I'm going to assume you mead Hasidic? But what you're choosing to ignore is that these dress codes practiced by Hasidics and Amish, are practiced equally by both genders, the same can only be said once Muslim men adopt the burka... As I can't see this happening, comparing the dress codes of these three religions is a fallacy

http://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-ultra-orthodox-community-bans-women-drivers/

Citing modesty concerns, leaders of a north London ultra-Orthodox Jewish community issued a formal directive last week barring women from driving.

In an open letter, a number of Belz rabbis in the Stamford Hill suburb wrote that female drivers defied Hasidic norms as well as “traditional rules of modesty,” the Jewish Chronicle reported Thursday.

The rabbis also said that as of August, children driven to school by their mothers would be expelled.

The new guidelines were endorsed the leaders of the local Belz educational institutions and the Israeli Belz Rabbi Yissachar Dov Rokeach, who suggested the expulsion policy as a form of punishment.

The letter explained that “mothers of pupils who have started to drive” prompted the new measures after numerous complaints led to “great resentment among parents of pupils of our institutions.”

While many ultra-Orthodox women belonging to the Belz sect do not drive anyway, the report noted that the Stamford Hill directive is thought to be the first formal declaration against women drivers by a Jewish community in Britain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/world/middleeast/israel-faces-crisis-over-role-of-ultra-orthodox-in-society.html?_r=0

The list of controversies grows weekly: Organizers of a conference last week on women’s health and Jewish law barred women from speaking from the podium, leading at least eight speakers to cancel; ultra-Orthodox men spit on an 8-year-old girl whom they deemed immodestly dressed; the chief rabbi of the air force resigned his post because the army declined to excuse ultra-Orthodox soldiers from attending events where female singers perform; protesters depicted the Jerusalem police commander as Hitler on posters because he instructed public bus lines with mixed-sex seating to drive through ultra-Orthodox neighbourhoods; vandals blacked out women’s faces on Jerusalem billboards.

Smondie · 25-07-2016 01:29PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Widdershins wrote: »

Women didn't invent the burqa .A woman wouldn't wear one if she hadn't been indoctrinated from childhood and it means little to say she wears it of her own volition . All that means is she isn't railing against it or does not realise she was brainwashed . I have a lovely photo somewhere of desert sand strewn with burqas after the region was liberated and another of two beaming women stepping out of the things .

You don't know the history of traditional dress in the Muslim or Central Asian world so stop pretending like they should dress the way you want and if they don't then they're being forced to dress in a certain way. You're looking at these cultures through the narrow prism of what people in the West wear now.

Go back to Victorian times when women covered every inch of their bodies from neck to wrists to feet and always had to cover their heads when outside. Would you be so damning of Muslim women in hijabs then?
What about African women in their big multi-coloured robes and head-scarves? What about indian women in their saris or Pakistani women in their pyjamas?

Go back to the 60's/ 70's and a lot of muslim women didn't wear the burka in muslim countries

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 01:31PM

HensVassal wrote: »

You don't know the history of traditional dress in the Muslim or Central Asian world so stop pretending like they should dress the way you want and if they don't then they're being forced to dress in a certain way. You're looking at these cultures through the narrow prism of what people in the West wear now.

Go back to Victorian times when women covered every inch of their bodies from neck to wrists to feet and always had to cover their heads when outside. Would you be so damning of Muslim women in hijabs then?
What about African women in their big multi-coloured robes and head-scarves? What about indian women in their saris or Pakistani women in their pyjamas?

What ? I don't what ? I think you will find you don't know what you are talking about . Your comparison is laughable and you fail to grasp the underlying issue completely . I'm not going to go around in circles explaining it to you because you are looking through a prism.

25-07-2016 01:32PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is no point trying to convince the last remnants of the Multi-Cults that The Merkel Plan was a disaster. They are like those Japanese soldiers that refused to believe Hirohito surrendered.

You've lost lads. You were disastrously wrong. People are dead because of it. More will die. Come out of the bunker and help the war effort.

People plural?

You must be including the attackers in the victim count, because I'm only aware of one person who died as a result of asylum-seeker terror attacks since 'Merkel's plan'

Maybe there are a few I'm forgetting, and I'm sure there are more who were foiled in their plans, but it certainly seems a long way off the doom you seem to be implying exists.

More people have been killed by falling off ladders than by asylum-seeking terrorists in the past 12 months.

HensVassal · 25-07-2016 01:32PM

Walter H Price wrote: »

Depnends id is it cold or are we in the middle of the Fk**g deset , i know my Fiance wears pretty much only a bikin when wer on hoildays , or a Bikini top and shorts. Dont think being covered head to toe in black would be too comfy

Also how is a dress medievil ? like come on your clutching at straws here

and lastly no one asked them to come , this is how we live in Europe if they want to live here then they should want to live in our culture embrace it etc , if they want to live a Sharia islamic lifestyle thats ok but stay in the middle east.

Because if i go to Dubi or Saudi i cant very well walk around with my Fiance in her Bikin slugging a beer if i so choose or get a bit frisky in a taxi or a public park. we have to live by their rules in the middle east it should be a two way street .

No Burkas , No Niquabs , No Halal and No Shariah in Europe thanks very much

Why? Nobody forces you to dress a certain way or eat a certain way or listen to certain music. Why should a muslim who is legally entitled to live in a Western country be forced to wear what clothes they are told to? We drink alcohol and eat pork, in fact all meat as part of our "culture" that you want these people to adopt. While you're banning what they can wear are you going to also be legislating for them to show up once a week at a centre where they must eat a bacon sandwich and drink a few pints as required by your fucking "law"
What about the Chinese? Are you going to ban their New Year's celebration and restric what they can eat and ban their wedding customs? Are you going to force Sikhs to eat meat?

Let me know how popular your little campaign of hate is coming along.

And regards walking around Dubai slugging a beer......newsflash...you can't do that in New York either OR Dublin. It's against the law. Stop trying to equate laws with customs.

Grayson · 25-07-2016 01:33PM

The_Mac wrote: »

What is it with people on this board taking any attempt they can to bash the Catholic Church and try to say it's as bad as Islam. Most young people in this country who identify as Catholic are fairly lapsed, and don't follow everything the Vatican says.

The catholic church in Ireland nowadays isn't as bad as Islam in Saudi. It's nowhere near as bad as it. It is worth mentioning that it still affects the human rights of many. Reproductive rights in Ireland are amongst the worst in the world. Nevertheless, I'm not going to say there's no comparing the two but I will say that comparison is extremely favourable.

Historically it's worth noting the similarities. People often paint islam as a religion of war and cite it's rapid expansion. IF that's justified than it's also justified to point out the horrors perpetrated by christians in the americas and in africa. Historically Christianity has as much blood on it's hands.

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 01:34PM

Smondie wrote: »

Go back to the 60's/ 70's and a lot of muslim women didn't wear the burka in muslim countries

These fine folks don't allow the facts get in the way of an argument.

Dyr · 25-07-2016 01:35PM

HensVassal wrote: »

You're looking at these cultures through the narrow prism of what people in the West wear now.

Now and here being the operative words my good man, you want to dress like a cross between a ninja and a bin bag, you shouldn't be doing it here and now, try somewhere that's still stuck in the 14th century.

You don't actually have a clue about womens dress sense in Victorian England, assuming that womens clothing did not change over that era shows that right away.

But anyway remind me of the Victorian convention where women covered their faces and walked behind their owners like good little gimps.

Don't even see the oul balaclava being in worn in India or elsewhere either.

Dyr · 25-07-2016 01:36PM

Grayson wrote: »

T Historically Christianity has as much blood on it's hands.

If we were having a debate on history then you might actually have a point

Walter H Price · 25-07-2016 01:37PM

HensVassal wrote: »

That's Saudi Arabia, a Wahhabist theocratic dictatorship where everyone live under the oppressive yoke of the state. It isn't indicative of all other Muslims countries. In most Muslims countries alcohol is legal even though most devout Muslims do not drink. Go to a supermarket in these countries and buy wine, cases of beer, bottles of vodka. Go to any hotel and just go to the bar.
Regarding your friend.....there are many cultures where a daughter has been disowned for the choices she has made.....being Protestant and marrying a Catholic (NI), being white and marrying a black, being of a certain caste and marrying below her station, being from a conservative Japanese family and marrying a white westerner.

A writer whose work I enjoy was bullied in his Connecticut hometown by local rich frat-boys because he had a black girlfriend. His abuse was physical whereas I'm sure your Saudi friend only received verbal abuse (not downplaying it).

A lot of people on here are trying to make out that they are experts when really they haven't a clue. To them it's as simple as Muslim men forcing women to dress a certain way.

Im not porraying myself as any sort of expert but from my own personal interactions with muslims and that of my friend in the red cross who has had extensive interaction with them , the truth is many of the womane are oppress it is a very Mysoginistic religion as are most including catholisism . but with Islam it is more extream more oppressive and crueler in terms of how women children and minorities are treated.

There were "Muslim" guys in college with us who treated the Irish girls like **** regarded them as whore had no issue getting pissed on nights out and forcing themselves on girls they regarded as beneth them ... it caused allot of verbal and physical fights on college nights out . you can defend it all you like but Islam jars with western culture i don't believe the two can integrate.

ricero · 25-07-2016 01:39PM

Liberals bringing up christianity has blood on its hands. Yes hundreds of years ago but we are civilised people now. We dont blow people up or shoot people every week. Honestly some people just cant help themselves having a pop at christianity

Grayson · 25-07-2016 01:39PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

The kurds have been showing Deash up as the undertrained, Ill composed f++kwits that they are. They succeed only where cowards allow them to do so.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

He never said that.

Dyr · 25-07-2016 01:40PM

Grayson wrote: »

He never said that.

Plus he was a bollox anyway

Boskowski · 25-07-2016 01:41PM

ricero wrote: »

Liberals bringing up christianity has blood on its hands. Yes hundreds of years ago but we are civilised people now. We dont blow people up or shoot people every week. Honestly some people just cant help themselves having a pop at christianity

No we're just doing it for the money now

BoJack Horseman · 25-07-2016 01:41PM

ricero wrote: »

Honestly some people just cant help themselves having a pop at christianity

In fairness, Christ did say; "Love each other just as I have loved you".....

What an evil man he must have been!
The scumbag.

HensVassal · 25-07-2016 01:42PM

Widdershins wrote: »

It looks like the antagonists ae crawling out from their caves. No it must have been faked because no woman would want to be free from that would they . i will refrain from commenting further if the standard of contributors is going to stay that low.

Promise?

beach_walker · 25-07-2016 01:45PM

ricero wrote: »

Honestly some people just cant help themselves having a pop at christianity

You have to admire the mental gymnastics necessary to see an equivalence between Ireland in the 50's and the present day Saudi Arabia (you know, the one with public beheadings, amputations... the place where they kill you for practicing witchcraft or get the public to stone adulterers.).

Let alone even bringing it into a thread on a Syrian who attacked a concert in Germany. The posters must be exhausted with all of it!

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 01:47PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Promise?

Do you have a particular reason that is compelling you to reply to my posts with nonsensical comments ? I see several contributors making contributions of a good standard apart from you.

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 01:48PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Actually, you're the one that detracts.

Ah so you're resorting to "I know you are but what am I?" Well done, please give one example of where I've detracted from the argument, I can reference several of your posts that contain nothing but whataboutery

Smondie · 25-07-2016 01:49PM

Why are women and men separated in mosques while praying and other soctal situations?

wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_segregation_and_Muslims

there is no evidence from the Quran or Hadith that enforces the segregation of sexes,[1][2][3][4] and some even claim that there is, in fact, evidence indicating the opposite.[5][3] Islamic scholar Ahmad Kutty, has said segregation of the sexes is not a requirement in Islam, as men and women used to interact during Muhammed's time without any partitions.[5]

Walter H Price · 25-07-2016 01:54PM

beach_walker wrote: »

You have to admire the mental gymnastics necessary to see an equivalence between Ireland in the 50's and the present day Saudi Arabia (you know, the one with public beheadings, amputations... the place where they kill you for practicing witchcraft or get the public to stone adulterers.).

Let alone even bringing it into a thread on a Syrian who attacked a concert in Germany. The posters must be exhausted with all of it!

Baffles me how the apologists can magage to blame so may other groups for ISLAMIC terrorism , Its the fault of the right winger for not making them welcome enough , its the fault of Christian because christianity is as bad.

Pleanty of backwards Catholics i know dont support contraception or Gay rights cant remeber the last time one of them chucked a gay lad off a building or called for him to be publicly whipped or executed. Dont see too many of them cool with 40 year old men marrying 9 year old kids either or calling for rape victims to be tried for adultery or slaughtering innocent civilians because they dress to slutty , drink too much , or don't believe in Jesus.

The Church has its failings , and has commited attrocious crimes here and aroun the world in the form of covering up sexual abuse and Magdalen Laundries etc and when given power like all religions its regressive and oppressive ... but Islam is a whole different level of evil, but people are choosing not to see it

Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

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