Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

rjpf1980 · 25-07-2016 09:08AM

The Germans can't say they weren't warned that this would happen.

So we are where we are.

In the heart of Europe there is an Islamic insurgency that looks set to escalate.

How can it be stopped?

Islamic State needs to be wiped out right away. The existence of this haven is emboldening Muslim fanatics worldwide that we are in the end times when Islam will conquer the earth.

Knock out Islamic State and the crazies will be demoralized.

conorhal · 25-07-2016 09:11AM

The Nice attack was also quickly blamed on a 'mentally unstable perpetrator', but the subsequent arrests and the unexplained 85 grand he sent his parents a few weeks earlier suggest that he was facilitated, manipulated and possibly paid for the attack.
I could just about buy the 'mentally ill nutter' scenerio in this case if it wasn't for the bomb. Where did he get it? Such devices are not easilly made.
I suspect that the Islamists are deploying a new tactic, recruiting and radicalizing the vunerable and unstable for low risk and high visibility attacks because they are easilly manipulated.

The_Kew_Tour · 25-07-2016 09:13AM

It will never be stopped and that's sad reality.

We could give the 2 fingers to EU and UN courts and make it a more rare event, but that looks unlikely.

weisses · 25-07-2016 09:13AM

RoughSleeper wrote: »

"Germany seems to be getting hit badly in the last week."

Understatement of the century?

I guess you never saw the pictures of various city centres roughly 70 years ago ?

Richard Hillman · 25-07-2016 09:14AM

It is getting like Independence Day. Merkel and her Multi-Cult loons are those people that were on top of the building to welcome the Alien guests. Then BOOM!

rjpf1980 · 25-07-2016 09:20AM

conorhal wrote: »

The Nice attack was also quickly blamed on a 'mentally unstable perpetrator', but the subsequent arrests and the unexplained 85 grand he sent his parents a few weeks earlier suggest that he was facilitated, manipulated and possibly paid for the attack.
I could just about buy the 'mentally ill nutter' scenerio in this case if it wasn't for the bomb. Where did he get it? Such devices are not easilly made.
I suspect that the Islamists are deploying a new tactic, recruiting and radicalizing the vunerable and unstable for low risk and high visibility attacks because they are easilly manipulated.

This isn't a new tactic. Islamic extremists are essentially cult members like the wackos in Waco or Jonestown or those fruitcakes who killed themselves so they ride in a spaceship following a comet. Cults attract damaged people and harness their violent frustration. Recruit a geek with no friends who feels persecuted and bullied and ignored by women or a juvenile delinquent who wants answers to his chaotic life but a way to continue to pursue his narcisstic self destruction and you have material to create terrorists.
The ranks of the medieval Catholic Church and the Nazis and Communists were full of angry hateful freaks.
Islamic extremism is the latest conduit for the unhappy and the miserable and resentful.

jimmy blevins · 25-07-2016 09:21AM

weisses wrote: »

I guess you never saw the pictures of various city centres roughly 70 years ago ?

That was a different century.

Sorry.

weisses · 25-07-2016 09:22AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I would rather build a wall then seeing Hillary decide to go on bombing rampage.

Problem is that Trump will do the same

Then you have a wall and an idiot in charge

The_Kew_Tour · 25-07-2016 09:25AM

weisses wrote: »

Problem is that Trump will do the same

Then you have a wall and an idiot in charge

Before I go any further I hate Trump with passion, but a wall would be last thing I be worried about if he got in.

The day Saunders lost out is the day America lost, not the day Trump might win

Walter H Price · 25-07-2016 09:26AM

If Merkel had any bit of integrity she would resign , Her open door policy to these "Refugees" has been an utter disaster not just for Germany bur for Europe as a Whole.

No doubt these policy played a major role in the Brexit victory and the rise of right wing extremism across Europe, all that was needed was a sensible approach to border control but this is a concept that seems lost on her and the rest of the shot callers in the EU.

It is very clear now where there are Islamic community's in Europe there will be acts of terrorism , their cultural , political and religious views are so radically different to that of modern progressive Europe that they are completely incompatible.

Pro Hoc Vice · 25-07-2016 09:33AM

jimmy blevins wrote: »

That was a different century.

Sorry.

This happened this century, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/09/german-woman-on-trial-for-neo-nazi-murders-breaks-silence-over-attacks

in 2015 222 attacks on refugee centres including one with a live grenade a planned attack with explosives, thankfully no one killed. The attackers Neo Nazi's. The Left not much better with serious amounts of violence.

Nasty people exist in all areas. Any one promoting terror or promoting such attacks should spend a very long time in jail no matter what their motive or god. While I would be all for immigrants being returned that may mean death, then locked away may be the best we can hope for.

Pro Hoc Vice · 25-07-2016 09:35AM

Walter H Price wrote: »

If Merkel had any bit of integrity she would resign , Her open door policy to these "Refugees" has been an utter disaster not just for Germany bur for Europe as a Whole.

No doubt these policy played a major role in the Brexit victory and the rise of right wing extremism across Europe, all that was needed was a sensible approach to border control but this is a concept that seems lost on her and the rest of the shot callers in the EU.

It is very clear now where there are Islamic community's in Europe there will be acts of terrorism , their cultural , political and religious views are so radically different to that of modern progressive Europe that they are completely incompatible.

What do you propose doing to the millions fleeing ISIS? While the destruction of ISIS would be the best idea, one thing we should have learned going in feet first ha led to this cluster ****.

And before you say it the majority of Refugees from ISIS are housed in the middle east.

Doge · 25-07-2016 09:39AM

So much for the conspiracy theorists on here claiming Merkel is covering up the facts...

Walter H Price · 25-07-2016 09:43AM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

What do you propose doing to the millions fleeing ISIS? While the destruction of ISIS would be the best idea, one thing we should have learned going in feet first ha led to this cluster ****.

And before you say it the majority of Refugees from ISIS are housed in the middle east.

Screen them , take Syrian Christians and other minority groups , women and yong children as a priority ... The rest send em back to wherever they've come from Turks , Iraqui's , Afgahans , North and Sub Saharan Africans speed up the deportation process.

No one with out proper documentation should be even considered for asylum.

And strat taking a hard line on Islam , Burka Bans across europe , a ban on halal slaughter in europe and a outright ban on Sharia law and reconition of sick child marrigaes etc. if the want to live here they can live a european lifestyle or they may be better suited to staying where they are.

Herb Powell · 25-07-2016 09:45AM

conorhal wrote: »

I could just about buy the 'mentally ill nutter' scenerio in this case if it wasn't for the bomb. Where did he get it? Such devices are not easilly made.

Pretty sure they're not that complicated at all.

Shenshen · 25-07-2016 09:47AM

Walter H Price wrote: »

Screen them , take Syrian Christians and other minority groups , women and yong children as a priority ... The rest send em back to wherever they've come from Turks , Iraqui's , Afgahans , North and Sub Saharan Africans speed up the deportation process.

No one with out proper documentation should be even considered for asylum.

And strat taking a hard line on Islam , Burka Bans across europe , a ban on halal slaughter in europe and a outright ban on Sharia law and reconition of sick child marrigaes etc. if the want to live here they can live a european lifestyle or they may be better suited to staying where they are.

Where would you send someone without documentation? Where would you return them to if you can't establish where they came from? Which country would take them back if you can't prove they are a citizen?

How many Burkas have you seen on European streets so far? I've never seen one in my life.
Sharia is not a recognised legal system. Child marriages already are illegal.
If you want to ban halal slaughter, you will find you'll also have to ban kosher slaughter.
Germany tried to ban male genital mutilation in babies (circumcision to you and me) a few years ago, as it doesn't tie in with the legal system to perform unnecessary medical operations on children. They ended up having to change their laws as it upset the Jewish community massively.

RandomName2 · 25-07-2016 09:51AM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

What do you propose doing to the millions fleeing ISIS? While the destruction of ISIS would be the best idea, one thing we should have learned going in feet first ha led to this cluster ****.

And before you say it the majority of Refugees from ISIS are housed in the middle east.

1. Less than half of the migrants are refugees from Syria. Some reports put it as low as 40%. I'd suggest not taking in people from outside of Syria.

2. The gulf states (with the hilarious exception of Iraq) aren't taking in any refugees at all. The West can exert pressure to change that.

3. Backing Assad would have caused the collapse of ISIS years ago, but because he is in the same camp as Iran and Russia this cannot be countenanced by the West (we don't care if he's a dictator, the point is he isn't our dictator)

Bubbaclaus · 25-07-2016 09:52AM

I wonder do the people blaming migrants even realise that most of the attacks in the last year were done/prepared by European born people.

'Deport the migrants' doesn't solve that.

Stealthfins · 25-07-2016 09:52AM

Shenshen wrote:

How many Burkas have you seen on European streets so far? I've never seen one in my life. Sharia is not a recognised legal system. Child marriages already are illegal. If you want to ban halal slaughter, you will find you'll also have to ban kosher slaughter. Germany tried to ban male genital mutilation in babies (circumcision to you and me) a few years ago, as it doesn't tie in with the legal system to perform unnecessary medical operations on children. They ended up having to change their laws as it upset the Jewish community massively.

Go to Limerick city,you'll see Burkas.
I've seen them in Galway also,and Ennis,Dublin...

Stealthfins · 25-07-2016 09:52AM

Shenshen wrote:

How many Burkas have you seen on European streets so far? I've never seen one in my life. Sharia is not a recognised legal system. Child marriages already are illegal. If you want to ban halal slaughter, you will find you'll also have to ban kosher slaughter. Germany tried to ban male genital mutilation in babies (circumcision to you and me) a few years ago, as it doesn't tie in with the legal system to perform unnecessary medical operations on children. They ended up having to change their laws as it upset the Jewish community massively.

Go to Limerick city,you'll see Burkas.
I've seen them in Galway also,and Ennis,Dublin...

munchkin_utd · 25-07-2016 09:55AM

Herb Powell wrote: »

Pretty sure they're not that complicated at all.

nope. To illustrate the point, back in the early 90s there was a lad in my school class who had nifty ways of building a circuit to discharge a 9V battery in a second into a heating coil, so basically a detonator.
Completely coincidentally, his family were vaguely associated with being big sinn fein heads, but anyhow, that surely was just a coincidence.

In the days of the internet though there's little to stop a nutjob finding the info to build a similar detonator and strapped to a few gas canisters you've a small bomb.
There was a failed attempt in Cologne a few years back with a similar bomb so it could be one of these.
If the guy had access to proper explosives then the damage would possibly have been worse, but theres still no info on what type of bomb is was so thats just my speculation.

Dyr · 25-07-2016 09:58AM

Shenshen wrote: »

How many Burkas have you seen on European streets so far? I've never seen one in my life.

Are you hiding in a basement?

Shenshen · 25-07-2016 09:58AM

Stealthfins wrote: »

Go to Limerick city,you'll see Burkas.
I've seen them in Galway also,and Ennis,Dublin...

I've been to all of those places and never saw a single one.
I've also never seen one in Frankfurt, Berlin, Munich, Bamberg or Cork.

Shenshen · 25-07-2016 09:59AM

Bambi wrote: »

Are you hiding in a basement?

Are you confusing niqabs with burkas, by any chance?

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 09:59AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I wonder do the people blaming migrants even realise that most of the attacks in the last year were done/prepared by European born people.

'Deport the migrants' doesn't solve that.

Yes of immigrant descent, we're thinking about the long game....

RandomName2 · 25-07-2016 09:59AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Where would you send someone without documentation? Where would you return them to if you can't establish where they came from? Which country would take them back if you can't prove they are a citizen?

The one that they just came from? Sure it mightn't be their original point of origin, but it would make the country that they came from think a bit more carefully about trafficking if they weren't simply a thoroughfare.

Shenshen wrote: »

How many Burkas have you seen on European streets so far? I've never seen one in my life.

I've seen them in Ireland about three times.

Shenshen wrote: »

Sharia is not a recognised legal system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Arbitration_Tribunal

Shenshen wrote: »

Germany tried to ban male genital mutilation in babies (circumcision to you and me) a few years ago, as it doesn't tie in with the legal system to perform unnecessary medical operations on children. They ended up having to change their laws as it upset the Jewish community massively.

That's a pity.

Dyr · 25-07-2016 10:01AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I wonder do the people blaming migrants even realise that most of the attacks in the last year were done/prepared by European born people.

'Deport the migrants' doesn't solve that.

For Ireland case, not letting the wahabbists, salafis and general medievil nutters in would work.

Shenshen · 25-07-2016 10:04AM

RandomName2 wrote: »

The one that they just came from? Sure it mightn't be their original point of origin, but it would make the country that they came from think a bit more carefully about trafficking if they weren't simply a thoroughfare.

Greece, then? A country the EU just recently had to bail out and which can barely support its own population, nevermind launch an organised attempt at securing every meter of it's several thousand kilometre sea borders?
I can see numerous problems with that.
One of them being the situation turning into the same we have in Lebanon and Palestine where displaced people have been living in temporary camps for generations now. As future security goes, it may not be the best plan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Arbitration_Tribunal

I thought we were talking about Germany and Ireland here? Will we be looking at the situation in Canada next?

Lau2976 · 25-07-2016 10:04AM

Shenshen wrote: »

How many Burkas have you seen on European streets so far? I've never seen one in my life.

You've really never seen someone in a burka? Have you ever been to Dublin city centre? I see people in Burkas every day in all parts of the city. And most other towns, Galway, Cork, Limerick, etc

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 10:05AM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

What do you propose doing to the millions fleeing ISIS? While the destruction of ISIS would be the best idea, one thing we should have learned going in feet first ha led to this cluster ****.

And before you say it the majority of Refugees from ISIS are housed in the middle east.

I don't know, perhaps the millions of able bodied men fleeing these war zones should perhaps fight for their homelands instead of showing their cowardice. And yes, if your rebuttal to this statement is to ask would I fight for my country should it ever be invaded by foreign mercenaries fighting a proxy war, then yes, yes I would.

Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

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