Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

Special Circumstances · 25-07-2016 05:48AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

could probably make a terrorist attack sub-forum at this stage.

We could have two.
One safe space for endless excusing, masochistic "we deserve this, we're not doing enough to change to suit refumigrants" victim hood. More hugs! !!!

One for the more realistic "well if the swedes couldn't manage it, it's pretty unlikely anyone else will, what's plan B?"

A Little Pony · 25-07-2016 06:21AM

tomofson wrote: »

ClovenHoof wrote: »

we have hundreds of Europeans being slaughter by the Religion of Peace and the biggests worry on boards is Trump getting elected.

It is like we in Europe are under some collective delusional psychosis.

Trump is not the clear and present danger.

You're are talking out of your hat pal, never has "hundreds" of Europeans been slaughtered it is not the cause of any religion but of complex politics between many nations.

Sure religion has nothing to do with it. They only shout Allah Akbar while murdering people. I wonder why they would do that. Must be a TV character.

lawlolawl · 25-07-2016 07:08AM

Turns out it was a 27 year old Syrian who was refused asylum so he decided to become a suicide bomber.

The phrase "Trojan Horse" springs to mind about all of this.

testicles · 25-07-2016 07:16AM

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25-07-2016 07:20AM

tomofson wrote: »

it is not the cause of any religion but of complex politics between many nations.

HamsterFace · 25-07-2016 07:25AM

And the common factor is?

Christy42 · 25-07-2016 07:29AM

HamsterFace wrote: »

And the common factor is?

People who hate those not like them.

lawlolawl · 25-07-2016 07:30AM

testicles wrote: »

Martial law.

What I wonder is how this guy was still in Germany a year after being denied asylum?

Yeah, bit pointless denying him asylum if his rejection letter isn't accompanied with a one way ticket back home.

This guy shouldn't have been in the country to carry out his attack.

Samaris · 25-07-2016 07:40AM

tomofson wrote: »

You're are talking out of your hat pal, never has "hundreds" of Europeans been slaughtered it is not the cause of any religion but of complex politics between many nations.

On the one hand, yes, there are elements of a geopolitical bugger-up over many decades in a region that really really resented it causing factions, civil wars and a rise of an extremist front that, like so many before, use religion as their excuse. On the other, you're codding yourself that many of the actual direct culprits aren't strongly influenced, even brain-washed, by religious propaganda, making religion a definite and obvious influence in Islamic extremism.

Thank god he was turned away and the only person he killed was himself. Someone was on the ball there when they got a wrong feeling about him.

Also wouldn't like to be the person responsible for doing the searches on people they feel dubious about. It'd take a brave person for the job, even if I'd say most security guards KNOW it could happen, but don't really think it would happen to them.

Hopefully the injuries aren't too serious.

Richard Hillman · 25-07-2016 07:56AM

I was watching GMB and there wasn't even a mention of this. We cannot allow this to become normal. We will lose the war if we do not act radically.

jacksie66 · 25-07-2016 08:05AM

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Mint Aero · 25-07-2016 08:16AM

Trump is right maybe Europe need a wall to keep these scum out?

Shenshen · 25-07-2016 08:20AM

testicles wrote: »

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Because even if you're denied asylum, Germany doesn't deport people back into a war zone.

The real question is why was he denied asylum? The majority of refugees from Syria are having their asylum granted, so why not him?
And why did he rake up a drug conviction and attempt suicide twice and was still on the street unsupervised, not committed to stationary treatment?

Samaris · 25-07-2016 08:25AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Because even if you're denied asylum, Germany doesn't deport people back into a war zone.

The real question is why was he denied asylum? The majority of refugees from Syria are having their asylum granted, so why not him?
And why did he rake up a drug conviction and attempt suicide twice and was still on the street unsupervised, not committed to stationary treatment?

I do wonder what the rules are in that case. If you need psychiatric treatment, but you're not part of the State and you're in the limbo of not being granted asylum and so not having any rights, who would pay for it?

Given how volatile the situation is, I would assume that a lot of people would be unhappy at taxpayers money being used to pay for the treatment of a foreigner that is a non-national and will remain so, especially as if he is deported, his treatment would be broken anyway which could cause more damage in the long run.

Not making any judgement on any of that, I'm just curious as to how that works.

Polo_Mint · 25-07-2016 08:26AM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Trump is right maybe Europe need a wall to keep these scum out?

Which Scum?

People who commit attacks?

Refugees?

or Both?

c montgomery · 25-07-2016 08:31AM

Polo_Mint wrote: »

Which Scum?

People who commit attacks?

Refugees?

or Both?

People who's outlooks and beliefs are incompatible with those in the west

Samaris · 25-07-2016 08:33AM

c montgomery wrote: »

People who's outlooks and beliefs are incompatible with those in the west

Can we use it to keep Trump out too then?

Pro Hoc Vice · 25-07-2016 08:34AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I was watching GMB and there wasn't even a mention of this. We cannot allow this to become normal. We will lose the war if we do not act radically.

You mean radical like say the far right in Germany or far left

While following this thread I found the following website https://www.osac.gov/p...tails.aspx?cid=19030

Very interesting in relation to the issues involving Mid East inspired terror. But what really shocked me was the following.

"In January 2016, the Federal Public Prosecutor brought charges against four suspected neo-Nazi supporters for allegedly establishing and supporting a terrorist association and plotting to carry out an explosive attack on a refugee housing center. Also in January, unknown assailants threw a live grenade at another refugee housing center; media researchers reported a total of 222 attacks on such centers during 2015 that resulted in injuries or put individuals at risk of injury. To help mitigate the threat of right-wing extremism,"

"Far-right extremists committed more than 16,000 crimes in 2014, including 990 violent crimes. Authorities estimate that there are nearly 22,000 right-wing extremists in the country, of whom 10,000 are considered potentially violent. The trial of a right-wing extremist accused of participating in a group that murdered at least 10 German nationals over a 13-year period began in 2013 and is ongoing."

"Left-wing extremists committed 4,400 crimes in 2014, of which 995 were violent. Both figures represented a decrease from prior years, though authorities reported a higher number of violent acts against police by leftist extremists, including seven attempted murders."

Also German has some 2000 murders/manslaughters a year or about 6-7 a day.

Like any complex issue its not all the fault of one group but they all seem to have one thing in common the hate of other.

Shenshen · 25-07-2016 08:37AM

Samaris wrote: »

I do wonder what the rules are in that case. If you need psychiatric treatment, but you're not part of the State and you're in the limbo of not being granted asylum and so not having any rights, who would pay for it?

Given how volatile the situation is, I would assume that a lot of people would be unhappy at taxpayers money being used to pay for the treatment of a foreigner that is a non-national and will remain so, especially as if he is deported, his treatment would be broken anyway which could cause more damage in the long run.

Not making any judgement on any of that, I'm just curious as to how that works.

I'm not 100% sure. You are ALWAYS covered by health insurance in Germany - not quite like the NHS, you usually either pick your insurer or you're with the insurer picked by your employer, and it's being taken directly from your wages. For people seeking asylum, health insurance is paid to cover them by the department charged with looking after them financially. There is the option of having additional psychological treatments paid for directly from that department without it going through the insurer, as many asylum seekers would have immediate and serious need of treatment.

I'm not sure what provisions are in place for a case like his - the asylum request was rejected, but he could not be returned to his country of origin.

KindOfIrish · 25-07-2016 08:39AM

Samaris wrote: »

Can we use it to keep Trump out too then?

It's not possible, unfortunately. Unless current politicians stop "refugees" influx and deport those who already in, we will get "Trumps" in every EU country. "Brexit" vote was the first example. Farage and Johnson win. They are not much better than Trump.

Shenshen · 25-07-2016 08:41AM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

It's not possible, unfortunately. Unless current politicians stop "refugees" influx and deport those who already in, we will get "Trumps" in every EU country. "Brexit" vote was the first example. Farage and Johnson win. They are not much better than Trump.

So now we're being threatened with "If you don't do everything the way we like it, we'll get you Trump/Farage/Wilders"?
Wow.

Mint Aero · 25-07-2016 08:42AM

Polo_Mint wrote: »

Which Scum?

People who commit attacks?

Refugees?

or Both?

Such argument much wow

The_Kew_Tour · 25-07-2016 08:43AM

I would rather build a wall then seeing Hillary decide to go on bombing rampage.

KindOfIrish · 25-07-2016 08:46AM

Shenshen wrote: »

So now we're being threatened with "If you don't do everything the way we like it, we'll get you Trump/Farage/Wilders"?
Wow.

I don't understand you reply. Who threatened who? People in EU countries will vote "Trumps" in to power. We live in democracy.

Shenshen · 25-07-2016 08:48AM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

I don't understand you reply. Who threatened who? People in EU countries will vote "Trumps" in to power. We live in democracy.

Thankfully, we don't. We live in constitutional republics.

Pro Hoc Vice · 25-07-2016 08:51AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Because even if you're denied asylum, Germany doesn't deport people back into a war zone.

The real question is why was he denied asylum? The majority of refugees from Syria are having their asylum granted, so why not him?
And why did he rake up a drug conviction and attempt suicide twice and was still on the street unsupervised, not committed to stationary treatment?

Under the UN convention being from a war zone is of itself not always a reason to grant asylum as a person must show a personal reason for one the the grounds why they have a real fear of persecution. Germany does have like the rest of EU subsidiary protection which can take into account general risk.

Also a person who could be granted asylum may be refused for war crimes, crimes against humanity or other serious crimes. The problem with such cases we end up in a catch 22 as it may be against the doctrine of refoulement to send the person back to the war zone.

Polo_Mint · 25-07-2016 08:52AM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Such argument much wow

I'm just curious who you are referring to.

Scum can cover a wide range of people and who I think are scum, you may not and visa verse.

Pro Hoc Vice · 25-07-2016 08:52AM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

I don't understand you reply. Who threatened who? People in EU countries will vote "Trumps" in to power. We live in democracy.

Yes people who tell lies and make people fear those lies will sadly often come to power.

Shenshen · 25-07-2016 08:58AM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Yes people who tell lies and make people fear those lies will sadly often come to power.

The couple of threads in the last few days have made me wonder if people actually crave fear in some way. Do they want to be scared?

conorhal · 25-07-2016 09:03AM

Shenshen wrote: »

So now we're being threatened with "If you don't do everything the way we like it, we'll get you Trump/Farage/Wilders"?
Wow.

No, if the EU and the open borders champions refuse to change course in the face of a public that do not want mass immigration, they will deliver victories into the hands of Trump/Farage/Wilders.
Nobody voted for them before, but they will if you refuse to recognise that nobody voted for this nonsense either and the ony opportunity to stop it will be voting in favour of those who won't ignore it.

Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

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