Do you ever feel sorry for drug dealers?

Shenshen · 23-07-2016 09:17PM

I'm not entirely sure if there are many drug dealers out there who are not also users and addicts. Among the small-timers anyway.
So from that angle I would feel a certain amount of sympathy. Not enough to think they shouldn't be stopped from dealing, though.

hatrickpatrick · 23-07-2016 09:24PM

Those who just sell? Absolutely. Shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

Those who sell while getting involved in violent crime? Absolutely not. Pure scum.

FortySeven · 23-07-2016 09:26PM

By default I feel sorry for just about everyone these days. Morality is so hard to interpret. Benefit of the doubt must be applied

HardenendMan · 23-07-2016 09:32PM

Do people actually believe that every drug dealer is your stereo typical criminal scumbag?

There are many that are middle class working people that sell as a side line earner to other middle class people. Wouldn't harm a fly type.

FortySeven · 23-07-2016 09:34PM

HardenendMan wrote: »

Do people actually believe that every drug dealer is your stereo typical criminal scumbag?

There are many that are middle class working people that sell as a side line earner to other middle class people. Wouldn't harm a fly type.

I used to be a drug dealer. I have hurt one or two flies in my time but only with the car.

Son Of A Vidic · 23-07-2016 09:36PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Do you ever feel sorry for drug dealers?

Is that you 'El Chapo'?

mynamejeff · 23-07-2016 10:29PM

FortySeven wrote: »

By default I feel sorry for just about everyone these days. Morality is so hard to interpret. Benefit of the doubt must be applied

FortySeven wrote: »

I used to be a drug dealer. I have hurt one or two flies in my time but only with the car.

well that answers the question of why you have sympathy for drug dealers.

Ever get stiffed for payment?

Ever get more stuff forced on you than agreed and stung to pay for it ?

hatrickpatrick · 23-07-2016 10:42PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

well that answers the question of why you have sympathy for drug dealers.

Ever get stiffed for payment?

Ever get more stuff forced on you than agreed and stung to pay for it ?

That's the thing though, not every drug dealer either screws people over or resorts to violence in the event of non payment, some treat it like pretty much any other DIY sales business. I have no issue with those people, and indeed I know one or two. Would have more respect for them simply because I know their 'products' are genuine and not full of dangerous sh!te, obviously.

Temptamperu · 23-07-2016 10:47PM

I feel bad for my weed dude, Hes a nice guy who sells weed to adults and hes in a lot of trouble if he gets caught. I wish it was legal but thats not likely to happen any time soon.

riclad · 23-07-2016 10:53PM

I don,t feel sorry for them,
but i think hash should be legal for adults to buy from licensed shop as in certain us states .
tax it ,bring in revenue.
It might reduce crime or reduce the no of dealers .
Many people get say a 1000 euros ,worth of hash and sell it to friends .
for a profit.
A small time drug dealer will not need to use violence ,its not like the films .
he sells to a small amount of people ,maybe 10 or 20 euros worth at a time.
i don.t
consider someone who works and smokes hash a few times a week
a drug addict .
Someone with 100k cash is a big drug dealer .

A drug addict is someone whose life revolves around getting drugs ,
many of them just go to a clinic and get it free .
Drug addicts do not have jobs .
i don,t support any person who sells cocaine or heroin .
IF you are are full time dealer the last thing you,ll do is use drugs.
apart from smoking hash maybe.
drug addicts hang around the city centre ,
and go to the local clinic .

FortySeven · 23-07-2016 10:55PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

well that answers the question of why you have sympathy for drug dealers.

Ever get stiffed for payment?

Ever get more stuff forced on you than agreed and stung to pay for it ?

Nope. Everything went well. Right up till the prison sentence.

Arcade_Tryer · 23-07-2016 11:45PM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

What about Michael, Randie, Dookie and Boodie?

Respect for the wire reference.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Those who just sell? Absolutely. Shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

Those who sell while getting involved in violent crime? Absolutely not. Pure scum.

Tend to agree with this. The fact that Alcohol is still legal while drugs like marujana, lsd and cocaine remain illegal and unregulated is a damning statement on the puritanical society we choose to live in.

Nermal · 24-07-2016 12:01AM

failinis wrote: »

Drug dealers? No.
Drug addicts? To some extent.

Why would I feel sorry for a drug addict? They're having a great time, high all the time while I'm stuck in an office.

I do feel sorry for drug dealers, who hustle all day and get rewarded with jail for being good capitalists.

empacher · 24-07-2016 12:09AM

i sold lots of things in college.

used to make a tidy sum about 2grand a month.

never got stiffed money cause i never gave tick.

the stuff i sold isnt the stuff that ruins families.

someones got to make the money.

Whatsisname · 24-07-2016 01:07AM

Feel sorry for their lack of communication and punctuality.

Clownyface · 24-07-2016 01:11AM

Dealers are just addicts who got sick of paying for their fix. I don't really feel sorry for any dealer because they make good money and know the risk.

I feel sorry for the people whose lives could be ruined with criminal convictions for something stupid like cannabis or small personal quantity of narcotics in a club or whatever.

gormdubhgorm · 24-07-2016 01:13AM

I don't feel sorry for anyone with the word "Drug" in front of the noun.
Why should I?

Surreptitious · 24-07-2016 01:22AM

I just picture two heavy set men in brown leather jackets huddled over taped up bundles tearing them open with Stanley blades, licking the edges clean.

Burial. · 24-07-2016 01:33AM

There's a big issue of ignorance and lack of knowledge here. Frankly most drug dealers aren't of the scumbag stereotype trying to f*ck over the addict. For example countless kids are born into having to sell drugs, like it or not. School is not a realistic option due to the situation they are born into and in a world where a piece of paper for a university, contacts and a pleasing demeanour and background is ever important they are stuck with very few options. How could you blame them getting involved with dealing when it's quick cash, and often the most money they can make at that time or at any time for that matter. When they become a grown adult selling drugs is all they know and all they can do. And that's heartbreaking. Do they end up getting involved in other violent crimes like beating the crap out of addicts trying to scam them or rob them, yeah probably. But you must realise the average dealer is as big a victim as the addict. Often they are so far gone that they too are addicted in their own way. If they decide to leave where and what the f*ck do they do and where do they go? The people higher up, they guys who don't see the addicts day to day, the guys that aren't on the streets with product in their pockets and wrinkled bills in the other, are they going to let go a worker who's working for whatever is given to them...they might let them go but it won't be a simple farewell thanks for your graft. In a way it might be a blessing a dealer gets caught and jailed, until they're released and they're forced back into it again. Of course not all dealers are like this, but a lot of them have no other option in life, like it or not.

GreatDefector · 24-07-2016 01:36AM

TBH I have more sympathy for the tree that was cut down to make the jacks roll I used while reading this post...

mynamejeff · 24-07-2016 11:57AM

Burial. wrote: »

There's a big issue of ignorance and lack of knowledge here. Frankly most drug dealers aren't of the scumbag stereotype trying to f*ck over the addict. For example countless kids are born into having to sell drugs, like it or not. School is not a realistic option due to the situation they are born into and in a world where a piece of paper for a university, contacts and a pleasing demeanour and background is ever important they are stuck with very few options. How could you blame them getting involved with dealing when it's quick cash, and often the most money they can make at that time or at any time for that matter. When they become a grown adult selling drugs is all they know and all they can do. And that's heartbreaking. Do they end up getting involved in other violent crimes like beating the crap out of addicts trying to scam them or rob them, yeah probably. But you must realise the average dealer is as big a victim as the addict. Often they are so far gone that they too are addicted in their own way. If they decide to leave where and what the f*ck do they do and where do they go? The people higher up, they guys who don't see the addicts day to day, the guys that aren't on the streets with product in their pockets and wrinkled bills in the other, are they going to let go a worker who's working for whatever is given to them...they might let them go but it won't be a simple farewell thanks for your graft. In a way it might be a blessing a dealer gets caught and jailed, until they're released and they're forced back into it again. Of course not all dealers are like this, but a lot of them have no other option in life, like it or not.

Sorry im afraid im going to have to call bollox on that

Born with no option but to deal drugs ? FFS they could have worked hard and made money honestly but choose the easy lazy way to try to get lots of cash. they are dumb enough to believe that what they see in rap videos is real and are often as concerned about being "gansta" or living the "thug life " as making the cash

Your average dealer especially the ones "born into it" as you put it are more likely to sell harder drugs and become involved in all sorts of other crimes as all they want is easy money that you dont have to work for, your student selling a few bags of weed to the lads is a different but similar creature,

and for the record i am of the opinion that cannabis should be legalized abet tightly controlled and taxed for the good of users and non users.

Speedwell · 24-07-2016 12:10PM

There've been two times in my life I felt sorry for drug dealers. Both were back when I lived in Texas.

The first was when I was called to jury duty and the defendant was a feckless little wretch who had been caught with too much weed (enough to be legally presumed to be dealing, and probably was) for the third time. According to the "three strikes" law then in effect, the state was going after him for a jail sentence of minimum 25 years without parole, if I recall correctly. The jury pool put their collective foot down and more or less unanimously said, "you aren't seriously going to send this small-time pothead to jail for more time than the last guy who shot up a school got". The state wound up settling for something like 18 months, which in the opinion of most of the members of the jury pool was still ridiculous.

The second was when I had a friend's son taking care of my apartment for a few weeks while I was away on a business trip, and one of his buddies, the one it turned out he bought weed from, stole a few of my cheques out of the back of a chequebook they found in a file drawer. How did the police and I find out who it was? He had made the cheques out to himself. You really can't help but feel sorry for someone that dumb, even if they are a low-life petty criminal.

ScumLord · 24-07-2016 05:07PM

JL98 wrote: »

Given the chance they will turn from "small timers" to "big timers" and i highly doubt any drug dealer feels sorry for all the lives and familys they have destroyed, so no.

There isn't really a career ladder in the drug industry in Ireland. The vast majority of drug dealers are users that start off getting stuff for their mates. They do it for a few years then ether get caught or just move on. It's not a glamorous lifestyle, it's constant risk, the money comes and goes without ever having much to show for it. For the most part the "top guys" are a small unchanging group that control pretty much everything that goes on in the country. They don't want anyone else involved in the higher echelons of the organisation.

Drug dealers are a byproduct of the law. Change the law they would more or less disappear.

Zxclnic · 24-07-2016 06:13PM

GreatDefector wrote: »

TBH I have more sympathy for the tree that was cut down to make the jacks roll I used while reading this post...

You dropped an 'a' somewhere from your username, it must have been when
you bent down to sit on the toilet!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 24-07-2016 06:23PM

More than most criminals, yes. They're just providing a service.

riclad · 24-07-2016 07:35PM

I do,nt think heroin or cocain will ever be legal in ireland.
So they,ll always be in business ,
i hear people can buy drugs through social media contacts .
Addicts just register and they get methadone free from a clinic.
I Think smoking hash is ok, it has medical uses ,
if a adult wants to smoke it ,let them.
like people can go to a shop and buy a bottle of whiskey.
I don,t use drugs but theres alot of middle class people that use em without turning into full time drug addicts .
Small time dealers sell like 10 euros worth at a time,for cash
theres no credit, buy it now or go away .

EICVD · 24-07-2016 07:40PM

Nope, & I've no sympathy for addicts either. How stupid are you to take them in the first place!

Speedwell · 24-07-2016 07:47PM

EICVD wrote: »

Nope, & I've no sympathy for addicts either. How stupid are you to take them in the first place!

Well, my youngest brother was a lifelong opiate addict because he had been on prescription painkillers for too long. It was a tradeoff between that and not having the painful treatments he needed for his condition. They were never able to wean him completely off, and he was on methadone till the end of his life. I don't think stupidity had that much to do with it.

As for others, many cases are people trying to self-medicate mental illness. I wish to Christ that people in Ireland were as open to therapy and treatment as they are in the US.

Keane2baMused · 24-07-2016 07:58PM

No sympathy for dealers. Not even the ones who 'only' deal to friends.

They contribute to a much much greater problem.

Legalise and regulate cannabis I would agree with, however.

corner of hells · 24-07-2016 08:06PM

EICVD wrote: »

Nope, & I've no sympathy for addicts either. How stupid are you to take them in the first place!

Before making a comment about having "no sympathy" for addicts , you should probably take a look at the many causes of addiction , examples would include escape from trauma , self medication of undiagnosed mental illness, environmental exposure, lack of opportunities in education and society and so on.

Do you ever feel sorry for drug dealers?

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