Do you ever feel sorry for drug dealers?

freshpopcorn

Recently in our town two young people got caught with a large about of drugs(over €100,000)
I noticed a few people on social media were defending these people saying the Gardai only went after them because they were easy targets and they don't care because they only target the small timers.
They also went on about their background saying they were from council estates/etc sayint they disnt know better or saw a future but from I know there's rarely trouble in these estates and people have grown up to be wide variety of things. From what I saw the people giving out were anti Garda/etc.
I personally don't really feel sorry for these people at all.
Do you ever feel sorry for drug dealers?

failinis

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Do you ever feel sorry for drug dealers?

Drug dealers? No.
Drug addicts? To some extent.

Grab All Association

I only feel sorry for the victims of drug addiction.

JL98

Given the chance they will turn from "small timers" to "big timers" and i highly doubt any drug dealer feels sorry for all the lives and familys they have destroyed, so no.

Barry Badrinath

No

Fcuk them, pack of cnuts

endacl

What a strange question...

wonski

100000 euro worth of drugs is not a small amount of drugs Garda got this one right.

Fox_In_Socks

Pharmacists, with their high salaries and their dispensaries.:mad:

Not an iota of sympathy.

Toobz

All the time...poor them

Steve012

failinis wrote: »

Drug dealers? No.
Drug addicts? To some extent.

+1

FISMA.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Recently in our town two young people got caught with a large about of drugs(over €100,000)
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freshpopcorn wrote: »

... the Gardai only went after them because they [...] only target the small timers.

Sleeper12

Grab All Association wrote:

I only feel sorry for the victims of drug addiction.

Some dealers are addicts so some are victims too. It's hard to know where to draw the line.
I think a simple way for me to say it is I have no sympathy for anyone who makes money from drugs.

Sleeper12

wonski wrote:

100000 euro worth of drugs is not a small amount of drugs Garda got this one right.

100,000 Street value. Street value is whatever amount of hash you are caught with worked out how many joints you can get out of it. Same with coke. Es are 15 euro each Street value but if you just bought 1000 of them you only paid 1000 euro not 15000 euro. Value is always 5 times or more than what is actually worth.
Not sticking up for them. Just explaining Street value. Cops did a good job

Cuddlesworth

freshpopcorn wrote: »

They also went on about their background saying they were from council estates/etc sayint they disnt know better or saw a future but from I know there's rarely trouble in these estates and people have grown up to be wide variety of things.

Their are hundreds of thousands of people in Ireland who grew up in a council estates, that have had varying degrees of success that didn't involve importing illegal substances. At worst you can sit on your arse all day and take the dole.

s4uv3

I spent my teenage years living on a council estate and I don't sell drugs. It's no excuse.

Drug addicts have some of my sympathy, drug dealers can fcuk off, the scumbags.

Hologram

freshpopcorn wrote: »

a few people on social media were defending these people saying the Gardai only went after them because they were easy targets and they don't care because they only target the small timers.

LOL

wonski

Sleeper12 wrote: »

100,000 Street value. Street value is whatever amount of hash you are caught with worked out how many joints you can get out of it. Same with coke. Es are 15 euro each Street value but if you just bought 1000 of them you only paid 1000 euro not 15000 euro. Value is always 5 times or more than what is actually worth.
Not sticking up for them. Just explaining Street value. Cops did a good job

I know it is street value, not a case of small timer user dealer in this case, though.

Thanks for explaining - small timer it was not indeed.

SEPT 23 1989

Depends on what they are selling

Mightydrumming

By far one of the strangest questions.

Not in the very slightest.

Mardy Bum

What about Michael, Randie, Dookie and Boodie?

stimpson

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Es are 15 euro each Street value

You're being ripped off pal.

MilesMorales1

Drug addicts for sure, its ****ing horrible and I think they need more support than they get.
The dealers get nothing from me, scum of the earth simple. I grew up on a council estate and so did most of the people I know, yet very few of us (far as I'm aware) feel the need to poison other peoples lives with that ****.

Smondie

Legalise it and get on with it. The amount of money we are spending trying to stop it when we could be all millionaires.

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Some sympathy for John Delorean as he was set up by a rat working for the feds, otherwise cant think of any id have the slightest bit of sympathy for.

The Rape of Lucretia

Of course they deserve our sympathy.
They are victims of a hypocritical and unequal society, that takes advantage of their vulnerability : those who are better off hold the conflicting views that they want people to deal them drugs, but that no one should deal in drugs. So chew up these poor guys and then spit them out every now and again when their lives are ruined, as a means of collective societal rejection of what they do.
The drug dealers really have little chance and are ruthlessly exploited by the better off.

Brasros

They should be treated like vermin and put down.

Capt'n Midnight

Big Pharma spending Billions on marketing and fines for doing illegal stuff.

And then they expect sympathy when people immediately ditch them for cheaper generics the minute the patents expire.

Hint
If your customers only buy from you because you have a legally enforced monopoly then don't expect people to feel any sympathy. :mad:

beach_walker

Ah no, not really.

I knew a lad in college who was well into his libertarian politics. I met him a few years later, he'd been laid off a few months before. Told me that he didn't sign on (owing to his political beliefs) and instead started dealing. He's got principles, I'll give him that.

mynamejeff

beach_walker wrote: »

Ah no, not really.

I knew a lad in college who was well into his libertarian politics. I met him a few years later, he'd been laid off a few months before. Told me that he didn't sign on (owing to his political beliefs) and instead started dealing. He's got principles, I'll give him that.

whats his boards username ?

freshpopcorn

It was more than € 100,000 that was seized by the Gardai. What I'm saying is true about people trying to defend them on the Internet.

FizzleSticks

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Shenshen

I'm not entirely sure if there are many drug dealers out there who are not also users and addicts. Among the small-timers anyway.
So from that angle I would feel a certain amount of sympathy. Not enough to think they shouldn't be stopped from dealing, though.

hatrickpatrick

Those who just sell? Absolutely. Shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

Those who sell while getting involved in violent crime? Absolutely not. Pure scum.

FortySeven

By default I feel sorry for just about everyone these days. Morality is so hard to interpret. Benefit of the doubt must be applied

HardenendMan

Do people actually believe that every drug dealer is your stereo typical criminal scumbag?

There are many that are middle class working people that sell as a side line earner to other middle class people. Wouldn't harm a fly type.

FortySeven

HardenendMan wrote: »

Do people actually believe that every drug dealer is your stereo typical criminal scumbag?

There are many that are middle class working people that sell as a side line earner to other middle class people. Wouldn't harm a fly type.

I used to be a drug dealer. I have hurt one or two flies in my time but only with the car.

Son Of A Vidic

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Do you ever feel sorry for drug dealers?

Is that you 'El Chapo'?

mynamejeff

FortySeven wrote: »

By default I feel sorry for just about everyone these days. Morality is so hard to interpret. Benefit of the doubt must be applied

FortySeven wrote: »

I used to be a drug dealer. I have hurt one or two flies in my time but only with the car.

well that answers the question of why you have sympathy for drug dealers.

Ever get stiffed for payment?

Ever get more stuff forced on you than agreed and stung to pay for it ?

hatrickpatrick

mynamejeff wrote: »

well that answers the question of why you have sympathy for drug dealers.

Ever get stiffed for payment?

Ever get more stuff forced on you than agreed and stung to pay for it ?

That's the thing though, not every drug dealer either screws people over or resorts to violence in the event of non payment, some treat it like pretty much any other DIY sales business. I have no issue with those people, and indeed I know one or two. Would have more respect for them simply because I know their 'products' are genuine and not full of dangerous sh!te, obviously.

Temptamperu

I feel bad for my weed dude, Hes a nice guy who sells weed to adults and hes in a lot of trouble if he gets caught. I wish it was legal but thats not likely to happen any time soon.

riclad

I don,t feel sorry for them,
but i think hash should be legal for adults to buy from licensed shop as in certain us states .
tax it ,bring in revenue.
It might reduce crime or reduce the no of dealers .
Many people get say a 1000 euros ,worth of hash and sell it to friends .
for a profit.
A small time drug dealer will not need to use violence ,its not like the films .
he sells to a small amount of people ,maybe 10 or 20 euros worth at a time.
i don.t
consider someone who works and smokes hash a few times a week
a drug addict .
Someone with 100k cash is a big drug dealer .

A drug addict is someone whose life revolves around getting drugs ,
many of them just go to a clinic and get it free .
Drug addicts do not have jobs .
i don,t support any person who sells cocaine or heroin .
IF you are are full time dealer the last thing you,ll do is use drugs.
apart from smoking hash maybe.
drug addicts hang around the city centre ,
and go to the local clinic .

FortySeven

mynamejeff wrote: »

well that answers the question of why you have sympathy for drug dealers.

Ever get stiffed for payment?

Ever get more stuff forced on you than agreed and stung to pay for it ?

Nope. Everything went well. Right up till the prison sentence.

Arcade_Tryer

Mardy Bum wrote: »

What about Michael, Randie, Dookie and Boodie?

Respect for the wire reference.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Those who just sell? Absolutely. Shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

Those who sell while getting involved in violent crime? Absolutely not. Pure scum.

Tend to agree with this. The fact that Alcohol is still legal while drugs like marujana, lsd and cocaine remain illegal and unregulated is a damning statement on the puritanical society we choose to live in.

Nermal

failinis wrote: »

Drug dealers? No.
Drug addicts? To some extent.

Why would I feel sorry for a drug addict? They're having a great time, high all the time while I'm stuck in an office.

I do feel sorry for drug dealers, who hustle all day and get rewarded with jail for being good capitalists.

empacher

i sold lots of things in college.

used to make a tidy sum about 2grand a month.

never got stiffed money cause i never gave tick.

the stuff i sold isnt the stuff that ruins families.

someones got to make the money.

Whatsisname

Feel sorry for their lack of communication and punctuality.

Clownyface

Dealers are just addicts who got sick of paying for their fix. I don't really feel sorry for any dealer because they make good money and know the risk.

I feel sorry for the people whose lives could be ruined with criminal convictions for something stupid like cannabis or small personal quantity of narcotics in a club or whatever.

gormdubhgorm

I don't feel sorry for anyone with the word "Drug" in front of the noun.
Why should I?

Surreptitious

I just picture two heavy set men in brown leather jackets huddled over taped up bundles tearing them open with Stanley blades, licking the edges clean.

Burial.

There's a big issue of ignorance and lack of knowledge here. Frankly most drug dealers aren't of the scumbag stereotype trying to f*ck over the addict. For example countless kids are born into having to sell drugs, like it or not. School is not a realistic option due to the situation they are born into and in a world where a piece of paper for a university, contacts and a pleasing demeanour and background is ever important they are stuck with very few options. How could you blame them getting involved with dealing when it's quick cash, and often the most money they can make at that time or at any time for that matter. When they become a grown adult selling drugs is all they know and all they can do. And that's heartbreaking. Do they end up getting involved in other violent crimes like beating the crap out of addicts trying to scam them or rob them, yeah probably. But you must realise the average dealer is as big a victim as the addict. Often they are so far gone that they too are addicted in their own way. If they decide to leave where and what the f*ck do they do and where do they go? The people higher up, they guys who don't see the addicts day to day, the guys that aren't on the streets with product in their pockets and wrinkled bills in the other, are they going to let go a worker who's working for whatever is given to them...they might let them go but it won't be a simple farewell thanks for your graft. In a way it might be a blessing a dealer gets caught and jailed, until they're released and they're forced back into it again. Of course not all dealers are like this, but a lot of them have no other option in life, like it or not.

GreatDefector

TBH I have more sympathy for the tree that was cut down to make the jacks roll I used while reading this post...