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Obesity in ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    This rubbish about bread making you fat. Go look at pictures of people in the 19th century who worked on ship yards and the crucial thing they eat was bread. It is all about input of energy and output. The bread doesn't make you fatter.

    I think its a combination of both, if you are using less energy then we did a hundred years ago and also eating more then you will be fat. Its not bread or one thing, its a combination of things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Exactly, I've been saying this for years, there's no such as a bad diet, just a bad attitude to labour intensive work. Humans weren't built to sit in cubicles playing Facebook all day.


    No, there really is such thing as a bad diet. Its called malnutrition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Yeah, I don't know many fat people who are overeating fruit and vegetables. It contributes and generally ensures that people eat too much fat and sugar.

    I've seen plenty fat vegetarians and even a few vegans, if you eat too much of anything and don't excercise enough you get fat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    I've seen plenty fat vegetarians and even a few vegans, if you eat too much of anything and don't excercise enough you get fat.



    Very true on the fat vegetarians, but I would guess that is more to do with too much pasta, cheese and sugar rather then non processed foods.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    But according to BMI Brian O'Driscoll is obese? Are you trying to tell me Brian O'Driscoll is unhealthy? Thats clearly what you are saying if you are supporting BMI.

    (may as well get it out of the way early)
    It's a tool.

    Tools only work properly when you use then correctly.

    It's meant to be a way to saying that its highly probable if a person falls within a healthy weight range. It's not supposed to be true in all cases (eg. People with a lot of muscle or are extremely tall/short). Anyway, athletes have physiques designed for a specific purpose, not to be healthy.

    Body-fat would be a more useful measure but the makers of BMI needed something that would work with readily available equipment, so compromises were made.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    lawlolawl wrote:
    Lot of defensive folks in this thread.


    No just alot of people who see minding their own business as a good thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,830 ✭✭✭Cookie_Dough


    while i accept your post is controversial and normally i wouldn't bother, but look here i go:



    my excuse was, i didnt really care. at first i didnt notice, i was normal sized, then i gained a little, then i was curvy, then by the time i was too fat to walk up stairs it was too late, in all honestly i ended up in a cycle of, i feel like **** so why bother, exercise is hard, why not treat myself to that diet coke in the fridge and a few taytos...whats the harm when your fat already...ill start tomorrow, monday, january,



    increase in sedentary jobs, tv, video games, increased consumption of more processed foods, sugar, salt, chemicals, availability and selection of foods. less family structure when it comes to meals and meal times etc etc lack of knowledge and/or education.


    my mom is and has been her whole life, in a cycle of diet, relax diet, shes not fat american but she is chubby and goes from chubby to fat and back again. to lean. then back again, shes healthy (in terms of no serious or any illness blood sugar, pressure, cholesterol etc is grand) but does carry a bit of extra weight.

    my dad is like a greyhound cant put on weight. has a demon sweet tooth and will never say no to dessert.

    my siblings its varies, my sister is thin, always was but since she moved out shes gained a bit but has started running after i challenged her to beat my 5km time.

    my brothers a rugby player and has never carried extra weight.

    me, i was grand until i was about 15-16 ,got a bit chubby, lost it again just by being ab it more aware of what i was eating, college hit gave up sport, found boys, alcohol and koka noodles and i might as well have killed myself then and there.



    when i was fatter, little to no exercise, i played tennis and hockey in school and college. treats, i was more a savoury than sweet person, the only thing i dont eat now is chinese takeaways, i used demolish them when i was fatter.

    now: i run three to four times a week depending on how work is,
    i do HIIT workouts in hotel rooms if i need to.
    i get minimum 10,000 steps a day everyday.
    i also go to a strongman class on a Saturday (lifting tractor tyres, battle ropes etc)
    treats now are the same as before just actual treats instead of everyday occurances.



    i dont have one anymore.

    January 17th 2015, I stopped. put down the can of full fat coke i was drinking. i was 20 stone and 2 and 3/4 lbs. im 5ft, i was literally as wide i as was long. and i made an appointment with the doctor, i was miserable but happy, sick and tired and watching my 600lb life on tv thinking i wonder will i end up like him.

    went to my doctor, who had refused to give me the pill as i was a ''bloodclot waiting to happen'' asked him for help and he did. told me to start small, go for a walk every evening after work, and refereed me to a dietitian.

    now id did home ec, and had a good knowledge of good and bad foods etc etc but the dietitian saved my life.

    no judgement, just told her i was stuck in a cycle of a job where i travelled a huge amount living out of suitcases and hotel room service. had little to no exercise bar the odd family walk in the hills, and just felt tired all the time.

    she started really small and i mean basic, stop drinking your calories. so i did. no more coke ,fizzy drinks, juice, only water. i didnt drink tea or coffee so it wasnt a problem for me.

    come back in a month, keep doing the walks and no drinking your calories.

    it was actually okay. yeah it was difficult but i didnt feel like i was on a diet coz i wasnt really.

    went back to her, had lost a chunk of weight,

    next goal, be more aware when im eating and log all my food, no more takeaways, 1 day a month where i can have a treat like a homemade pizza or chips.

    next month same again more weight lost, i was beginning to feel better,
    next goal, eat more veg, so easy!

    next month, stick to less than 1800 calories a day.

    same result weight falling off.

    I hit 7 stone weight loss last week. (shock horror im still chubby!! but cute chubby :p i can assure you)

    I have run a 31 minute 5km.
    I am running my first half marathon in September and while running is hard, i think back to when i walked from Dublin airport arrivals to the taxi rank and was sweating.

    fat people are not stupid, yes they can be happy, yes they can love their bodies, yes they can even be relatively healthy.

    the one thing i have realised is the world is not a nice place for fat people,
    alcoholics, drug addicts etc can avoid their poison, human beings have to eat everyday. and we are bombarded CONSTANTLY with images of food and its never the good stuff. the first two months of my change i asked people constantly are the ads always like this? did busses always advertise biscuits before? why are their five ads in a row advertising fast food?? if you are struggling its very difficult to see past the instgram dolly birds with their 6 packs saying oh i eat ice cream every day and still look like this, or get out of the cycle of reward we as a society have become.

    one of the things i had struggled with so much was my friends and family saying oh you've lost so much weight just have a treat, or just have a slice, yes now i have my treats and eat a balanced diet. but i had to keep reminding people that if i had a treat every time someone offered it, i would have never changed.

    comments like, seeing a fat person put me off my dinner is a reflection on you and your personality than their inability to lose weight.

    so i suppose i have a question for you, as ive answered yours?


    what your excuse for being so god damn judgemental of fat people?

    Fair play to you, 7 stone off in a year & a half is amazing! Well done!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    YFlyer wrote: »
    DEXA is more reliable. My body fat content measured by the DEXA is 13%. OP am I a fat bastard? :confused:

    Sure is.

    They were doing a special on DEXA scanners in Lidl last week.

    No, wait...

    (Oh and I'm not OP but 13% is grand)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭livedadream


    Fair play to you, 7 stone off in a year & a half is amazing! Well done!!

    thanks, its hard, im not gunna sit here and say how easy and wonderful it was, ive had ups and downs, in life and the scale but i feel better now, i looked at is as i was sick and good food and exercise was my medicine, sad i know and very cheesy but it worked for me.

    ironically id murder come cookie dough right about now.

    lolz... will have to wait for my next long run...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    while i accept your post is controversial and normally i wouldn't bother, but look here i go:



    my excuse was, i didnt really care. at first i didnt notice, i was normal sized, then i gained a little, then i was curvy, then by the time i was too fat to walk up stairs it was too late, in all honestly i ended up in a cycle of, i feel like **** so why bother, exercise is hard, why not treat myself to that diet coke in the fridge and a few taytos...whats the harm when your fat already...ill start tomorrow, monday, january,



    increase in sedentary jobs, tv, video games, increased consumption of more processed foods, sugar, salt, chemicals, availability and selection of foods. less family structure when it comes to meals and meal times etc etc lack of knowledge and/or education.


    my mom is and has been her whole life, in a cycle of diet, relax diet, shes not fat american but she is chubby and goes from chubby to fat and back again. to lean. then back again, shes healthy (in terms of no serious or any illness blood sugar, pressure, cholesterol etc is grand) but does carry a bit of extra weight.

    my dad is like a greyhound cant put on weight. has a demon sweet tooth and will never say no to dessert.

    my siblings its varies, my sister is thin, always was but since she moved out shes gained a bit but has started running after i challenged her to beat my 5km time.

    my brothers a rugby player and has never carried extra weight.

    me, i was grand until i was about 15-16 ,got a bit chubby, lost it again just by being ab it more aware of what i was eating, college hit gave up sport, found boys, alcohol and koka noodles and i might as well have killed myself then and there.



    when i was fatter, little to no exercise, i played tennis and hockey in school and college. treats, i was more a savoury than sweet person, the only thing i dont eat now is chinese takeaways, i used demolish them when i was fatter.

    now: i run three to four times a week depending on how work is,
    i do HIIT workouts in hotel rooms if i need to.
    i get minimum 10,000 steps a day everyday.
    i also go to a strongman class on a Saturday (lifting tractor tyres, battle ropes etc)
    treats now are the same as before just actual treats instead of everyday occurances.



    i dont have one anymore.

    January 17th 2015, I stopped. put down the can of full fat coke i was drinking. i was 20 stone and 2 and 3/4 lbs. im 5ft, i was literally as wide i as was long. and i made an appointment with the doctor, i was miserable but happy, sick and tired and watching my 600lb life on tv thinking i wonder will i end up like him.

    went to my doctor, who had refused to give me the pill as i was a ''bloodclot waiting to happen'' asked him for help and he did. told me to start small, go for a walk every evening after work, and refereed me to a dietitian.

    now id did home ec, and had a good knowledge of good and bad foods etc etc but the dietitian saved my life.

    no judgement, just told her i was stuck in a cycle of a job where i travelled a huge amount living out of suitcases and hotel room service. had little to no exercise bar the odd family walk in the hills, and just felt tired all the time.

    she started really small and i mean basic, stop drinking your calories. so i did. no more coke ,fizzy drinks, juice, only water. i didnt drink tea or coffee so it wasnt a problem for me.

    come back in a month, keep doing the walks and no drinking your calories.

    it was actually okay. yeah it was difficult but i didnt feel like i was on a diet coz i wasnt really.

    went back to her, had lost a chunk of weight,

    next goal, be more aware when im eating and log all my food, no more takeaways, 1 day a month where i can have a treat like a homemade pizza or chips.

    next month same again more weight lost, i was beginning to feel better,
    next goal, eat more veg, so easy!

    next month, stick to less than 1800 calories a day.

    same result weight falling off.

    I hit 7 stone weight loss last week. (shock horror im still chubby!! but cute chubby :p i can assure you)

    I have run a 31 minute 5km.
    I am running my first half marathon in September and while running is hard, i think back to when i walked from Dublin airport arrivals to the taxi rank and was sweating.

    fat people are not stupid, yes they can be happy, yes they can love their bodies, yes they can even be relatively healthy.

    the one thing i have realised is the world is not a nice place for fat people,
    alcoholics, drug addicts etc can avoid their poison, human beings have to eat everyday. and we are bombarded CONSTANTLY with images of food and its never the good stuff. the first two months of my change i asked people constantly are the ads always like this? did busses always advertise biscuits before? why are their five ads in a row advertising fast food?? if you are struggling its very difficult to see past the instgram dolly birds with their 6 packs saying oh i eat ice cream every day and still look like this, or get out of the cycle of reward we as a society have become.

    one of the things i had struggled with so much was my friends and family saying oh you've lost so much weight just have a treat, or just have a slice, yes now i have my treats and eat a balanced diet. but i had to keep reminding people that if i had a treat every time someone offered it, i would have never changed.

    comments like, seeing a fat person put me off my dinner is a reflection on you and your personality than their inability to lose weight.

    so i suppose i have a question for you, as ive answered yours?


    what your excuse for being so god damn judgemental of fat people?

    Well done and I mean that,. To answer your question you admit yourself the only reason you were fat is because you were lazy and couldn't put down the food. Family and friends still offered you treats and fake praise. Wouldn't it have been easier if the didn't and truely supported you by keeping food away from you?

    This is the reason a lot of people are fat, it's laziness with no self control.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I dunno where these areas with all the fatties are, because I see few enough in my neck of the woods. The odd podgy beer belly alright, but actually American level obese? Extremely rarely. Like can't remember last time I spied one in the wild rarely.

    +1. I had a friend come over from England for a visit (granted, this was a couple of years ago) and he couldn't get over how there were so many fewer fat people in Ireland than in the UK.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    No, there really is such thing as a bad diet. Its called malnutrition.

    No one ever died from eating sheep dung sandwiches in the bog or the hay field yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭xabi


    Smondie wrote: »
    Well done and I mean that,. To answer your question you admit yourself the only reason you were fat is because you were lazy and couldn't put down the food. Family and friends still offered you treats and fake praise. Wouldn't it have been easier if the didn't and truely supported you by keeping food away from you?

    This is the reason a lot of people are fat, it's laziness with no self control.

    You do in your hole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Elliott S


    This rubbish about bread making you fat. Go look at pictures of people in the 19th century who worked on ship yards and the crucial thing they eat was bread. It is all about input of energy and output. The bread doesn't make you fatter.

    Right... but hardly anybody these days expends enough energy to burn off that bread. Our live are so much more sedentary now. So it's hardly a good comparison. So yes, eating a lot of bread these days tends to be fattening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    Autoimmunity issues, years of stress in an abusive relationship murdering my cortisol balance, and borderline diabetes as a side effect of PCOS. What's your excuse for being a fathead?

    No, never mind, don't worry, I will soon have the crude, punitive surgery to rip out half my digestive system so I don't have to face the disgust and prejudice of people like you, at least not while my clothes hide the loose skin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,070 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Joe prim wrote: »
    If at all possible, people using this thread should use the expression "big-boned" rather than "obese" or "chubby" to avoid offending those citizens who have attained their own gravitational field.

    We should probably also acknowledge its in their genes or hormonal or some such, or
    Maybe it's puppy fat and they'll grow out of it soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 MasqueOfTheRed


    I see a lot of overweight people- the lads and ladies carrying a few extra pounds around the waist, but I rarely see any Texan sized XXL motorized scooter driving people.

    I think that obesity in Ireland is a creeping pernicious thing and is not as blatant as it is in the US or even England- the result of a few extra spuds at dinner time rather than object gluttony at meccas of fatness such as McD's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭livedadream


    Smondie wrote: »
    Well done and I mean that,.
    i echo xabi here, you do in your hole, you said in your first post that fat people put you off your dinner. your the person 2 years ago who would have laughed at me out running, (and yes its happened ive been called and elephant out running and had earthquake shouted after me) you value my opinion now because im not fat anymore. if i was still 20 stone you have said the sight of me would have puts you off your food, you cant have it both ways you cant public shame people for being overweight then praise them when their thin.

    pick a side and stick to it, people are people. fat or thin.

    Smondie wrote: »
    To answer your question you admit yourself the only reason you were fat is because you were lazy and couldn't put down the food. Family and friends still offered you treats and fake praise. Wouldn't it have been easier if the didn't and truely supported you by keeping food away from you?

    youve missed the point. i said i gained weight without really realising it and when i did it was too late.

    where did i say i was lazy?

    where did i say people fake praised me?

    the reason i was overweight is the same as anyone without a medical condition , an inbalance of food and exercise, thats not unique.

    the praise and treats i refer to was after i had started losing the weight. you cant keep food away from people because you have to eat everyday.

    ie you call into aunty mary for a cup of tea on a Saturday and along with the tea she throws out two biscuits. totally normal. and now i would of course eat them, as long as they are within my calories intake for the day. when i was losing the weight i wouldnt, thats not her being unsupportive. youve picked me up all wrong.

    if your point is that i should have been locked away while fat so as not to turn you off your dinner and that my family and friends should also have locked up all the food because i was clearly out of control, i wasnt, i had bad habits. i had discorded eating times and made poor choices, i travelled alot and didnt move enough to burn off anything. that doesnt mean i was sitting in my underwear eating KFC everyday.

    you seem to have this image of fat people as sitting around all day eating.

    thats not true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    It's the shops and supermarkets they have too much niceties on display and make them easily assessable. I remember when you had to ask for what you wanted in shops from outside the counter also there was no rubbish food in shops back then unlike the rubbish they have now.

    The supermarket made me buy those donuts and eat them all. The crafty bastards…


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    xabi wrote: »
    You do in your hole.
    I do, the got off thier hole and lost the weight, which is fantastic


    Until some fatties who just cry victim


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭Thoie


    Smondie wrote: »
    What do you do for exercise and treats?
    What do you do? What were you planning on having for dinner (before you were put off it)? Show us your daily meal plan and exercise routine, and a photo of your Tesco receipt so we can see what exactly you bought. Also, we'll need a photo of you to ensure that none of us find you off-putting.

    Smondie wrote: »
    What's your excuse for being overweight?
    What's your excuse for being a self-righteous prick who tries to pretend his dislike of fat people is all about health/cost to the public? Where are your threads about people with bad teeth, or the effects of too much screen time on children's eyesight?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    If you were hungry enough you'd eat it. Half the world starving and you're here moaning about missing your falafel or foie gras or whatever the pretentious classes eat these days. I have no sympathy for you.

    In fairness, falafel is just a vegetarian kebab. Street food really. Hardly Lobster Thermidor.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Elliott S wrote: »
    Can't wait to hear him bring up the "cost to the health service" as a facade. :pac:

    The usual hand-wringing speel about "taxpayers' money" :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    i echo xabi here, you do in your hole, you said in your first post that fat people put you off your dinner. your the person 2 years ago who would have laughed at me out running, (and yes its happened ive been called and elephant out running and had earthquake shouted after me) you value my opinion now because im not fat anymore. if i was still 20 stone you have said the sight of me would have puts you off your food, you cant have it both ways you cant public shame people for being overweight then praise them when their thin.

    pick a side and stick to it, people are people. fat or thin.




    youve missed the point. i said i gained weight without really realising it and when i did it was too late.

    where did i say i was lazy?

    where did i say people fake praised me?

    the reason i was overweight is the same as anyone without a medical condition , an inbalance of food and exercise, thats not unique.

    the praise and treats i refer to was after i had started losing the weight. you cant keep food away from people because you have to eat everyday.

    ie you call into aunty mary for a cup of tea on a Saturday and along with the tea she throws out two biscuits. totally normal. and now i would of course eat them, as long as they are within my calories intake for the day. when i was losing the weight i wouldnt, thats not her being unsupportive. youve picked me up all wrong.

    if your point is that i should have been locked away while fat so as not to turn you off your dinner and that my family and friends should also have locked up all the food because i was clearly out of control, i wasnt, i had bad habits. i had discorded eating times and made poor choices, i travelled alot and didnt move enough to burn off anything. that doesnt mean i was sitting in my underwear eating KFC everyday.

    you seem to have this image of fat people as sitting around all day eating.

    thats not true.
    You say yourself you cpuldn't put down the coke and food and couldn't be bothered- that is being lazy . Now you saying you were not lazy: rolleyes:

    Yes a 20 stone person disguists me.


    If you wee a heroin addict and you aunty offered you herion with you tea, would she be supporting you to quit.?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    The supermarket made me buy those donuts and eat them all. The crafty bastards…

    The levels of psychological marketing in supermarkets are epic. So, yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    Thoie wrote: »
    What do you do? What were you planning on having for dinner (before you were put off it)? Show us your daily meal plan and exercise routine, and a photo of your Tesco receipt so we can see what exactly you bought. Also, we'll need a photo of you to ensure that none of us find you off-putting.






    What's your excuse for being a self-righteous prick who tries to pretend his dislike of fat people is all about health/cost to the public? Where are your threads about people with bad teeth, or the effects of too much screen time on children's eyesight?

    I never mentioned health or cost to the public.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Smondie wrote: »
    If you wee a heroin addict and you aunty offered you herion with you tea, would she be supporting you to quit.?

    I don't know if giving you Herion hydraulic components would necessarily help you to quit but it might give you something to do with your hands when you're going cold turkey so I'll give the aunt the benefit of the doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    Smondie wrote: »
    Yes a 20 stone person disguists me.
    not some kind of, like...empathy?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭FizzleSticks


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    People who defend obesity is usually obese themselves.
    Ireland have a major problem with overweight and obesity,and thats because of the not so healthy livestyle most irish have.


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