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Obesity in ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    xabi wrote: »
    Yeah, they are against body shaming.
    obese people should be proud of being obese?

    That's ridiculous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭rustynutz


    Stop slagging the obese people.

    Don't you think they have enough on their plate.

    Quote of the day without a doubt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭xabi


    Smondie wrote: »
    obese people should be proud of being obese?

    That's ridiculous

    Who said that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    It's the shops and supermarkets they have too much niceties on display and make them easily assessable. I remember when you had to ask for what you wanted in shops from outside the counter also there was no rubbish food in shops back then unlike the rubbish they have now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭jacksie66


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    xabi wrote: »
    Who said that?

    Well then explain body shaming to me?

    Is it shaming to point out the truth?


    the country's leading obesity expert Professor Donal O'Shea said that there's been an absolute explosion in the extreme end of obesity, with a 1,200pc increase in those with a body mass index of 52 or over (18 to 25 is normal).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    xabi wrote: »
    Who said that?

    I would advise you not to feed him, but he's already been put off his dinner! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    Smondie wrote: »
    obese people should be proud of being obese?

    That's ridiculous

    Neither proud nor ashamed. It's not useful - it's only gratifying to the accuser.

    Very few people respond well to being belittled, especially something like cutting fat that takes a long time and consistent effort.

    If someone is unhappy about their weight then they're already giving themselves a hard time about it. Making them even less happy won't help, it'll just make them give up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    Smondie wrote: »
    a 1,200pc increase in those with a body mass index of 52 or over (18 to 25 is normal).

    People saying BMI is useless in 3..2..1..


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I dunno where these areas with all the fatties are, because I see few enough in my neck of the woods. The odd podgy beer belly alright, but actually American level obese? Extremely rarely. Like can't remember last time I spied one in the wild rarely.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭xabi


    Smondie wrote: »
    Well then explain body shaming to me?

    Is it shaming to point out the truth?


    the country's leading obesity expert Professor Donal O'Shea said that there's been an absolute explosion in the extreme end of obesity, with a 1,200pc increase in those with a body mass index of 52 or over (18 to 25 is normal).

    How perfect you must be, imagine someone looking at your ugly mug and being put off their dinner, or your manky teeth or spotty face, that's body shaming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    NiallBoo wrote: »
    Neither proud nor ashamed. It's not useful - it's only gratifying to the accuser.

    Very few people respond well to being belittled, especially something like cutting fat that takes a long time and consistent effort.

    If someone is unhappy about their weight then they're already giving themselves a hard time about it. Making them even less happy won't help, it'll just make them give up.

    Ha, no they're not giving themselves a hard time about it, not the ones hanging out in the cake aisle in Tesco anyway, they were loading the trolleys with no shame.

    Building up fat takes a long time and consistent effort. If it was pointed out them when they'd gained a few it would be better for them, instead of waiting until they're half a ton before taking action.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Hopefully Pokemon Go will help fat kids shed a few pounds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Why are we so fat, because we a bad diet based around bread and over processed food. We are very car dependent and its more socially acceptable to be fat in Ireland in comparison with other European countries.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭waraf


    Smondie wrote: »
    Ireland has a problem, see the WHO report

    They should stick to music and stop complaining about fatties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    Smondie wrote: »
    Ha, no they're not giving themselves a hard time about it, not the ones hanging out in the cake aisle in Tesco anyway, they were loading the trolleys with no shame.

    Building up fat takes a long time and consistent effort. If it was pointed out them when they'd gained a few it would be better for them, instead of waiting until they're half a ton before taking action.
    You've never done something you know you shouldn't do? Regretted it and did it again anyway?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭jacksie66


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Comer1


    Smondie wrote: »
    (18 to 25 is normal).

    FFS! now you're slagging off us older older people, (in fairness, I didn't bother to read your full post)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    NiallBoo wrote: »
    You've never done something you know you shouldn't do? Regretted it and did it again anyway?

    And then cry victim?


    No, can't say I have


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    NiallBoo wrote: »
    Smondie wrote: »
    a 1,200pc increase in those with a body mass index of 52 or over (18 to 25 is normal).

    People saying BMI is useless in 3..2..1..
    BMI is rubbish though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Why are we so fat, because we a bad diet based around bread and over processed food. We are very car dependent and its more socially acceptable to be fat in Ireland in comparison with other European countries.

    Over processed food won't make you fat, eating too much of it will just like any other food.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    NiallBoo wrote: »
    People saying BMI is useless in 3..2..1..

    But according to BMI Brian O'Driscoll is obese? Are you trying to tell me Brian O'Driscoll is unhealthy? Thats clearly what you are saying if you are supporting BMI.

    (may as well get it out of the way early)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭D0NNELLY


    Smondie wrote: »
    What's your excuse for being overweight?

    Superquinn sausages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,830 ✭✭✭Cookie_Dough


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    PARlance wrote: »
    Fair enough, but it's hardly the cause of a national obesity problem.

    If the OP used Tesco's delivery service they wouldn't have to be so disgusted at having to shop with "fat" people and be put off dinner.

    Also to the OP- I always thought the idea of food shopping was to purchase food rather than walk around judging other people's appearance and shopping habbits.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    This rubbish about bread making you fat. Go look at pictures of people in the 19th century who worked on ship yards and the crucial thing they eat was bread. It is all about input of energy and output. The bread doesn't make you fatter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Over processed food won't make you fat, eating too much of it will just like any other food.



    Yeah, I don't know many fat people who are overeating fruit and vegetables. It contributes and generally ensures that people eat too much fat and sugar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    NiallBoo wrote: »
    People saying BMI is useless in 3..2..1..

    DEXA is more reliable. My body fat content measured by the DEXA is 13%. OP am I a fat bastard? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭livedadream


    while i accept your post is controversial and normally i wouldn't bother, but look here i go:
    Smondie wrote: »
    What's your excuse for being overweight?

    my excuse was, i didnt really care. at first i didnt notice, i was normal sized, then i gained a little, then i was curvy, then by the time i was too fat to walk up stairs it was too late, in all honestly i ended up in a cycle of, i feel like **** so why bother, exercise is hard, why not treat myself to that diet coke in the fridge and a few taytos...whats the harm when your fat already...ill start tomorrow, monday, january,
    Smondie wrote: »
    What's the Craic? Why so many fat people?

    increase in sedentary jobs, tv, video games, increased consumption of more processed foods, sugar, salt, chemicals, availability and selection of foods. less family structure when it comes to meals and meal times etc etc lack of knowledge and/or education.
    Smondie wrote: »
    is you family overweight? What do you do for exercise and treats?
    my mom is and has been her whole life, in a cycle of diet, relax diet, shes not fat american but she is chubby and goes from chubby to fat and back again. to lean. then back again, shes healthy (in terms of no serious or any illness blood sugar, pressure, cholesterol etc is grand) but does carry a bit of extra weight.

    my dad is like a greyhound cant put on weight. has a demon sweet tooth and will never say no to dessert.

    my siblings its varies, my sister is thin, always was but since she moved out shes gained a bit but has started running after i challenged her to beat my 5km time.

    my brothers a rugby player and has never carried extra weight.

    me, i was grand until i was about 15-16 ,got a bit chubby, lost it again just by being ab it more aware of what i was eating, college hit gave up sport, found boys, alcohol and koka noodles and i might as well have killed myself then and there.
    Smondie wrote: »
    What do you do for exercise and treats?

    when i was fatter, little to no exercise, i played tennis and hockey in school and college. treats, i was more a savoury than sweet person, the only thing i dont eat now is chinese takeaways, i used demolish them when i was fatter.

    now: i run three to four times a week depending on how work is,
    i do HIIT workouts in hotel rooms if i need to.
    i get minimum 10,000 steps a day everyday.
    i also go to a strongman class on a Saturday (lifting tractor tyres, battle ropes etc)
    treats now are the same as before just actual treats instead of everyday occurances.
    Smondie wrote: »
    What's your excuse for being overweight?

    i dont have one anymore.

    January 17th 2015, I stopped. put down the can of full fat coke i was drinking. i was 20 stone and 2 and 3/4 lbs. im 5ft, i was literally as wide i as was long. and i made an appointment with the doctor, i was miserable but happy, sick and tired and watching my 600lb life on tv thinking i wonder will i end up like him.

    went to my doctor, who had refused to give me the pill as i was a ''bloodclot waiting to happen'' asked him for help and he did. told me to start small, go for a walk every evening after work, and refereed me to a dietitian.

    now id did home ec, and had a good knowledge of good and bad foods etc etc but the dietitian saved my life.

    no judgement, just told her i was stuck in a cycle of a job where i travelled a huge amount living out of suitcases and hotel room service. had little to no exercise bar the odd family walk in the hills, and just felt tired all the time.

    she started really small and i mean basic, stop drinking your calories. so i did. no more coke ,fizzy drinks, juice, only water. i didnt drink tea or coffee so it wasnt a problem for me.

    come back in a month, keep doing the walks and no drinking your calories.

    it was actually okay. yeah it was difficult but i didnt feel like i was on a diet coz i wasnt really.

    went back to her, had lost a chunk of weight,

    next goal, be more aware when im eating and log all my food, no more takeaways, 1 day a month where i can have a treat like a homemade pizza or chips.

    next month same again more weight lost, i was beginning to feel better,
    next goal, eat more veg, so easy!

    next month, stick to less than 1800 calories a day.

    same result weight falling off.

    I hit 7 stone weight loss last week. (shock horror im still chubby!! but cute chubby :p i can assure you)

    I have run a 31 minute 5km.
    I am running my first half marathon in September and while running is hard, i think back to when i walked from Dublin airport arrivals to the taxi rank and was sweating.

    fat people are not stupid, yes they can be happy, yes they can love their bodies, yes they can even be relatively healthy.

    the one thing i have realised is the world is not a nice place for fat people,
    alcoholics, drug addicts etc can avoid their poison, human beings have to eat everyday. and we are bombarded CONSTANTLY with images of food and its never the good stuff. the first two months of my change i asked people constantly are the ads always like this? did busses always advertise biscuits before? why are their five ads in a row advertising fast food?? if you are struggling its very difficult to see past the instgram dolly birds with their 6 packs saying oh i eat ice cream every day and still look like this, or get out of the cycle of reward we as a society have become.

    one of the things i had struggled with so much was my friends and family saying oh you've lost so much weight just have a treat, or just have a slice, yes now i have my treats and eat a balanced diet. but i had to keep reminding people that if i had a treat every time someone offered it, i would have never changed.

    comments like, seeing a fat person put me off my dinner is a reflection on you and your personality than their inability to lose weight.

    so i suppose i have a question for you, as ive answered yours?
    Smondie wrote: »
    What's your excuse for being overweight?

    what your excuse for being so god damn judgemental of fat people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,635 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    If the OP used Tesco's delivery service they wouldn't have to be so disgusted at having to shop with them.

    Also to the OP- I always thought the idea of food shopping was to purchase food rather than walk around judging other people's appearance and shopping habbits.

    I should have delivered my sarcasm better.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    This rubbish about bread making you fat. Go look at pictures of people in the 19th century who worked on ship yards and the crucial thing they eat was bread. It is all about input of energy and output. The bread doesn't make you fatter.

    Exactly, I've been saying this for years, there's no such as a bad diet, just a bad attitude to labour intensive work. Humans weren't built to sit in cubicles playing Facebook all day.


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