Catcalling is now a 'hate crime' - UK Police Force

FortySeven · 21-07-2016 12:52AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Unfortunately not. Or at least not in my experiences. It can manifest as a feeling of being incomplete, as something missing. There may be difficulty forming healthy attachments as children and adults. I have heard of adopted people who get to adulthood before finding put and when they do it being a kind of 'aha' moment for them. Suddenly so much makes sense.

The trauma that adoption can leave is underestimated and misunderstood. Actually not telling a child they are adopted goes against good parenting and all research carried out. It is a huge deceit.

Interesting. I saw a lot of broken kids growing up in care so I have some insight into it but was not aware of this.

My own issues with the system are not about taking kids from the mother by the way. I just don't beleive the 'every second weekend' is anything close to fair for children or fathers. 50/50 time is fair. Just as we had before separation.

Anyway, don't want to drag this any more off topic.

beks101 · 21-07-2016 02:16AM

Candie wrote: »

The first kind of encounter seems to be much more prevalent than people realise, I've been on the receiving end of that kind of horrible sexist stuff since I was 12 years old. I'd love it to stop.

Yeah this. Didn't read beyond page 3 because "feminazi be crazy...I suppose hens ogling men are OK though...police officer is a WOMAN so therefore a nutjob feminist...what about the men..." rabble rabble rabble.

I'd hazard a guess this hate-crime status came to be as a result of some pretty endemic reports on street harassment and social media abuse directed at women, not because the constable making the announcement is a woman.

I'm 31, I've lived on several different continents and I've dealt with this sh1t since I was fourteen on a fairly regular basis. Same as most of my female mates. I won't wear certain things or walk certain places because it makes me a target. And I'm not talking hot pants and assless chaps, I'm talking a tight shirt or a summer dress or a pair of high heels, fairly standard, run-of-the-mill female attire.

And no, "nice tits love *eruption of laughter*" or secretly photographing my chest on the tube or following me down the street forcing me to talk to you after you've verbally abused me or crossing the street with your mates to say something grotesque to my face is not "admiration" to which I'll ever respond to graciously.

FortySeven · 21-07-2016 03:51AM

Do you know? I've lost count of how many times I've been assaulted physically by men since I was 14. Resulting in real injuries. Real fear. Fear of death sometimes. Black eyes, face swollen. Ribs broken. Etc.

You need hate crime legislation because some guys made you uncomfortable. That's grand, I'm going to need an ak47 then. Let's keep things relative eh?

Elliott S · 21-07-2016 05:58AM

Candie wrote: »

The first kind of encounter seems to be much more prevalent than people realise, I've been on the receiving end of that kind of horrible sexist stuff since I was 12 years old. I'd love it to stop.

I received my first lewd comment at 11 years old. 11. And my mother was standing right beside me when the brazen twat (easily middle-aged) did it.

And the lewd comments haven't stopped since. Men have no idea to just how much and how early women are exposed to this stuff.

NIMAN · 21-07-2016 06:11AM

I know where this is leading .... we will have women complaining they are being victimised and called ugly due to lack of catcalling.

Elliott S · 21-07-2016 07:53AM

Smondie wrote: »

Can you give any examples of ads were men are leering at women's breasts for humour, or men are watching a woman undress?

Your wish is my command (some undressing, some worse again):

https://s32.postimg.org/r5kqrgyt1/One.jpg
https://s32.postimg.org/sgcw24yc5/Two.jpg
https://s32.postimg.org/tpapu0bxh/Three.jpg
https://s32.postimg.org/x30utqqud/Four.jpg
https://s32.postimg.org/zez69g7ud/Five.jpg

And here are some other recent mainstream suggestive ads:
https://s32.postimg.org/wb5gm6yhh/2fb8998e265bf48954f3e2ea5898b35a.jpg
https://s32.postimg.org/bbfr7939x/image.jpg
https://s31.postimg.org/r5cs524rf/picture_2.jpg
https://s31.postimg.org/v5p127e4b/8593650_orig.jpg
https://s31.postimg.org/tdtpv1arf/AA_mesh.jpg
https://s31.postimg.org/mv39hw7wr/Rm_GZK.png
https://s31.postimg.org/fkonrleor/o_AMERICAN_APPAREL_AD_900.jpg

Of course you can sometimes see similar ads using men but you are on a hiding to nothing suggesting there are not similar ads featuring women. Not only are there similar ads featuring women, there are an avalanche more of them and an avalanche of more extreme ones than your examples. Sex sells and these ads are going nowhere. And there will always be far more featuring women than men. It's how it is. Something, something diet coke ad?

You need to be more worried about the plethora of ads depicting men as lobotomised, drooling morons.

Wibbs · 21-07-2016 08:15AM

TSMGUY wrote: »

Women are the main purchasers in households. It's purely economic. Advertisers don't have a social agenda. When it was profitable to be racist/sexist, they were. Now it's profitable to be progressive. That's all it is and all it ever has been. I'm mixed and my mum always says "Awww, isn't it great they have more mixed people on TV!" and I'm just thinking no, we're only being used because we're in "fashion." It's all very cynical.

This. Cosmo won't put a fat woman on their covers because it won't sell. "Diversity" is just another sales angle. Men in ads being drooling morons another. The ads are aimed at housewife types living in the burbs so dopey man appeals to that demographic as it makes them feel better about themselves and they're a huge and easily influenced demographic with it(and the majority hold the household pursestrings).

FortySeven wrote:

Do you know? I've lost count of how many times I've been assaulted physically by men since I was 14. Resulting in real injuries. Real fear. Fear of death sometimes. Black eyes, face swollen. Ribs broken. Etc.

You need hate crime legislation because some guys made you uncomfortable. That's grand, I'm going to need an ak47 then. Let's keep things relative eh?

You miss the basic philosophy engine driving this stuff. Women are always victims and men are always at fault©. Add in down with patriarchy/patriarchy save us and you have third wave feminism, or the guts of it. They ironically want a return to Victorian ideals of weak women easily offended and victimised with little agency with all the societal perks but few of the responsibilities.

Elliott S · 21-07-2016 08:48AM

HardenendMan wrote: »

I'd say Brad Pitt and George Cloomey would be exempt from this law.

Nope, I hate catcalling, no matter what the guy looks like. Arrogance is a hugely unattactive trait to me.

21-07-2016 08:58AM

FortySeven wrote: »

Goshen college implemented stare rape legislation in its sexual policies on campus. It later retracted after severe pressure. Still 'ogling' is part of the sexual harrasment policy.

You can Google it. Download their pdf document on sexual consent.

Firstly, even if Goshen College (which I've never heard of, apparently it's a small private college) used that term, it hardly establishes any noteworthy use of the term in America, where you claimed it's a thing.

Secondly, I can't actually find any evidence of Goshen College saying this. I downloaded the .pdf from their website (thanks for wasting my time) and it says nothing of the kind.

There are plenty of guys on reddit who assert that it happened, but I have no idea if it's a hoax or not.

The fact that your argument revolves around this very dubious reference, and Tumblr, suggests that 'stare rape' simply isn't 'a thing'. And 'reverse rape' is 'a thing' that came from parody blogs and fake twitter accounts.

So can we give that up now? It's made up.

21-07-2016 09:53AM

Elliott S wrote: »

Your wish is my command (some undressing, some worse again):

Of course you can sometimes see similar ads using men but you are on a hiding to nothing suggesting there are not similar ads featuring women. Not only are there similar ads featuring women, there are an avalanche more of them and an avalanche of more extreme ones than your examples. Sex sells and these ads are going nowhere. And there will always be far more featuring women than men. It's how it is. Something, something diet coke ad?

You need to be more worried about the plethora of ads depicting men as lobotomised, drooling morons.

Wow. Some of those ads are vile.

Smondie · 21-07-2016 10:28AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Firstly, even if Goshen College (which I've never heard of, apparently it's a small private college) used that term, it hardly establishes any noteworthy use of the term in America, where you claimed it's a thing.

Secondly, I can't actually find any evidence of Goshen College saying this. I downloaded the .pdf from their website (thanks for wasting my time) and it says nothing of the kind.

There are plenty of guys on reddit who assert that it happened, but I have no idea if it's a hoax or not.

The fact that your argument revolves around this very dubious reference, and Tumblr, suggests that 'stare rape' simply isn't 'a thing'. And 'reverse rape' is 'a thing' that came from parody blogs and fake twitter accounts.

So can we give that up now? It's made up.

Here you go

imgur.com/cJbaOtT

Wibbs · 21-07-2016 10:51AM

Smondie wrote: »

Here you go

imgur.com/cJbaOtT

Ah that has to be some photoshop going on. I bloody well hope it is, though I have seen and read official stuff from US universities that weren't that far off that.

21-07-2016 10:51AM

Smondie wrote: »

Here you go

imgur.com/cJbaOtT

No mention of stare rape there.

Assuming that screen shot is real, one small, private college in Indiana once referred to 'psychological rape', then quickly realised someone made a foolish decision, and deleted it.

It only hammers home the fact that stare rape is in no way a culturally accepted 'thing' in the USA, it just isn't a thing at all. Like reverse rape. The only people giving it oxygen are those who claim it exists in public discourse, by referring to Tumblr and an irrelevant private college webpage which (we assume) briefly existed.

is that all we have?

A lot of rubbish has been printed under the broad banner of feminism, some of it sensible, some of it utter trash. 'Stare rape' doesn't even figure on the radar, tbh. I'm not sure what purpose it serves to claim it's in any way an accepted term in feminist debates. It just isn't.

Elliott S · 21-07-2016 11:12AM

FortySeven wrote: »

Do you know? I've lost count of how many times I've been assaulted physically by men since I was 14. Resulting in real injuries. Real fear. Fear of death sometimes. Black eyes, face swollen. Ribs broken. Etc.

And you could have pressed charged for those incidents. What's your point?

Elliott S · 21-07-2016 11:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wow. Some of those ads are vile.

Yup. Truly. And I didn't break a sweat looking for them either.

Smondie · 21-07-2016 11:25AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No mention of stare rape there.

Assuming that screen shot is real, one small, private college in Indiana once referred to 'psychological rape', then quickly realised someone made a foolish decision, and deleted it.

It only hammers home the fact that stare rape is in no way a culturally accepted 'thing' in the USA, it just isn't a thing at all. Like reverse rape. The only people giving it oxygen are those who claim it exists in public discourse, by referring to Tumblr and an irrelevant private college webpage which (we assume) briefly existed.

is that all we have?

A lot of rubbish has been printed under the broad banner of feminism, some of it sensible, some of it utter trash. 'Stare rape' doesn't even figure on the radar, tbh. I'm not sure what purpose it serves to claim it's in any way an accepted term in feminist debates. It just isn't.

Her's a statement from the college, but i'll probably be accused of faking that too :rolleyes:

Greetings from Goshen College. I appreciate you bringing this webpage to our attention and sharing your concerns about it with us. It was an old page that had not been reviewed in a very long time. We have removed it and are assessing improved resources for our students to help them reduce sexual violence against anyone.”– Jodi Beyeler, Goshen College Director of Communications and Marketing

21-07-2016 02:30PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

'Reverse rape' and 'stare rape' are not real causes. They're generated by parody blogs and parody twitter accounts, including the one in the above link. The only people who refer to them in a serious context are anti-feminist blogs and some guys on reddit.

They're not real.

Reverse rape i had pretty much figured was parodocial and alluded to this in my post with the savage eye reference but i thought stare rape was an actual cause to be honest.

Catcalling is now a 'hate crime' - UK Police Force

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