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Would you let grown up kids continue to live with you?

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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've never had to return home, but I know I can any time I need or want to. If I have kids, they'll know the same.

    Obviously I'd like them to be independent and out living the lives they want, but they'd never be homeless or hungry as long as I had the means to help them. I feel like that about my niece and nephews too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    seamusk84 wrote: »
    The fact that this is becoming so prevalent in irish society actually puts me off having kids. I have mates in their mid-thirties living with their elderly parents and I just don't understand it.I actually lived at home until I was 25 and then got married and lived with my wife in a cheap 1 bed apartment for a few years so we could save and buy a house. At the risk of everyone on this thread jumping down my throat, I think there are a lot of adult children posting here.

    Translation: Because I did something everybody else should too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭bisounours


    I blame the Irish mammy. I would move in tomorrow with my in-laws if OH would let me. The glorious food, being spoilt to no end... Stayed one Christmas with them and day after Boxing Day (day we were leaving) our clothes mysteriously reappeared washed and pressed as they didn't want us to have to "work" after we got home. (Half an hour drive) If I had grown up in that house there would be no way I'd be moving out!

    Seriously though, my MIL has lost quite a bit of mobility over the past years. Once it becomes too much for my FIL to handle, we will look into combining households if necessary to make sure they are as comfortable as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,035 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    if it's good enough for Batman...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    While I think it's important to teach kids independence and how to stand on their own two feet, there will always be a place to stay in my house if my children ever need it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Just to say, would it be the case that the OP is talking about those who will NEVER leave home and stay with Mam and Dad forever. OP was talking about 30-40 year olds.

    If someone is healthy and working, maybe staying with the folks full time from birth to 40 and beyond is a bit of a cop out?

    That's what I got from OP, not referring to those who occasionally stay with parents to save, recover from breakup, ill health whatever. Just saying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    out when you're 18; get a job or go to college
    why would you want me around?

    soo many reasons but mainly time to grow up


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    seamusk84 wrote: »
    The fact that this is becoming so prevalent in irish society actually puts me off having kids. I have mates in their mid-thirties living with their elderly parents and I just don't understand it.

    I actually lived at home until I was 25 and then got married and lived with my wife in a cheap 1 bed apartment for a few years so we could save and buy a house.

    At the risk of everyone on this thread jumping down my throat, I think there are a lot of adult children posting here.

    And if you hadn't met your wife and had two incomes this may not have been as easy for you to do. Finding someone to share the financial burden is a huge help but it isn't always a given and something as small as that can have a significant impact on how things turn out down the road for people.

    People (not you specifically) forget that sometimes it's just luck of the draw that has a part to play in these things too. Redundancy, not meeting the right person (3.5 times your salary is not much on a single wage, add another salary and you can afford a house), ill health, stuff that can happen to anybody but can drastically change the future you had planned. And people are very quick to judge without knowing the full story, especially if they happened to have a bit of luck that others haven't. And that's not to take away from those who worked damn hard to get what they have, just pointing out that sometimes life just doesn't pan out as you would like, and no matter how much you work at it, there is a certain obstacle in your way that you can't get around.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    If someone is healthy and working, maybe staying with the folks full time from birth to 40 and beyond is a bit of a cop out?

    A cop out from what? (Just curious)


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jesus. wrote: »
    A cop out from what? (Just curious)

    From growing up and taking responsibility for putting a roof of their own over their heads, paying their own bills, and being fully independent.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    Candie wrote: »
    From growing up and taking responsibility for putting a roof of their own over their heads, paying their own bills, and being fully independent.

    But they already have a roof over their heads and I presume they also pay for their bills, IE they give their share. And what makes them any less "independent" as you put it? And if so, what's so superior about being in this "independent" mode as you call it?

    Is there a chance you've totally succumbed to societies norms that have been inculcated unto you and its either that way or the highway?


    (I left home many years ago but I'm not sure why others staying there should be wrong?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Robsweezie


    as long as you're playing an active role in the house and chipping in, then its excusable until you find your own place. Hoovering, doing the dishes, maybe offering to cook, do the shopping, keeping the place tidy, cleaning up after yourself, and paying your way if asked to (some families don't, and an argument can be made that they shouldn't have to ask for contribution)


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jesus. wrote: »
    But they already have a roof over their heads and I presume they also pay for their bills, IE they give their share. And what makes them any less "independent" as you put it? And if so, what's so superior about being in this "independent" mode as you call it?

    Is there a chance you've totally succumbed to societies norms that have been inculcated unto you and its either that way or the highway?


    (I left home many years ago but I'm not sure why others staying there should be wrong?)

    Your parents roof over your head is your parents roof, not yours.

    If I had a kid of 40 who was earning enough to look after themselves and live independently, and there was no illness or other issue that kept them at home, I'd worry they weren't reaching their full potential and that they had failed to acquire the life skills needed for adulthood.

    It's a societal norm for a reason. Most people would wonder why a capable grown adult, earning enough to provide for themselves, is still living at home and assume it signals a level of either financial or emotional dependency, or just laziness because they don't want to be bothered with the minutiae of independent living.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46 Hologram


    18 is very young I think (unless they have to go away to college). Early 20s seems a reasonable age to move out at. Returning temporarily if circumstances dictate later in life (but being a contributing member of the household rather than reverting back to childhood) is fair enough too in my opinion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    Candie wrote: »
    Your parents roof over your head is your parents roof, not yours.
    A Landlord's roof over your head is your Landlord's roof, not yours.
    Candie wrote: »
    If I had a kid of 40 who was earning enough to look after themselves and live independently, and there was no illness or other issue that kept them at home, I'd worry they weren't reaching their full potential and that they had failed to acquire the life skills needed for adulthood.
    Interesting how people can be sucked into a cycle of thinking. Reaching one's full potential now entails being saddled with enormous debt from your 20's to not far off your grave. What a life!
    Candie wrote: »
    It's a societal norm for a reason. Most people would wonder why a capable grown adult, earning enough to provide for themselves, is still living at home and assume it signals a level of either financial or emotional dependency, or just laziness because they don't want to be bothered with the minutiae of independent living.

    It can't be financial dependency if they pay rent to their parents. If following the Irish norm of saddling yourself with hundreds of thousands of euro debt and perpetual worry is societies idea of financial dependency (which it clearly is) then surely the madness of it is immediately apparent?

    I don't know but I'd doubt any adult living at home is any more or less emotionally dependent (whatever that actually means) than those who have huge mortgages on their own homes. I had a partner in our own house and Christ help me but she was the most emotionally dependent person I've ever or am likely to ever come across.

    What is this "independent living" people keep talking about? There's nothing independent about indebting oneself to a bank for the rest of one's life. In fact its the mirror opposite! To use that horrible corporate speak we hear so often, maybe its time you think outside the box!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    What we're dealing with here is basically the rackets that run the property, pension and banking sectors are in absolute panic mode that the generations that followed the baby boomers don't seem to want, or be able to, sign up to be badly railrammed up the arse to subsidize the property, pension and banking sector racket.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    If you want to live in a large home as an extended family, why shouldn't you? If you're a young couple starting out and Mom wants to live with you for a couple years to make sure you aren't swamped by your own mistakes and your own babies, and you're grateful and happy, why not? If you are starting a business and Dad is an expert in the field and your consultant, does it make sense for you to spend to maintain two households instead of putting that money into the business? If you are tired and lonely and depressed and isolated, why the hell would you not choose to live with a child or parent whose company you treasure, if they offered? Why not polyfamilies, for that matter, more than one family living in a common space? In some cultures, middle-aged couples without children adopt adults and they have a parent-child relationship.

    Now, if your family problems and dysfunctions prevent you from living together in harmony, that's another thing altogether; my grandmother and I adore each other but we know that our bad sides conspire to make us crazy after a week or two of being in the same house. My father was a broken man and a jerk who broke me. My mother was a weak, ineffectual doormat with no particular identity except whichever one she created to suit the company she was keeping. My brother is a Christian fundamentalist who doesn't believe in evolution and thinks I'm going to Hell. My ex thought the answer to an unhappy wife was a pistol barrel held to her head. Some people, some families, simply aren't good for each other.

    But my mother-in-law shares my birthday, and yes, she has too much to drink sometimes, but she has taken me to her heart and I think she's the best. My husband's sister and her daughter who lives in Australia are two hilarious and shameless gossips. Some people just do it right. And don't forget, families are made as well as born. What matters is how we treat each other, relations or not.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jesus. wrote: »
    A Landlord's roof over your head is your Landlord's roof, not yours.


    Interesting how people can be sucked into a cycle of thinking. Reaching one's full potential now entails being saddled with enormous debt from your 20's to not far off your grave. What a life!



    It can't be financial dependency if they pay rent to their parents. If following the Irish norm of saddling yourself with hundreds of thousands of euro debt and perpetual worry is societies idea of financial dependency (which it clearly is) then surely the madness of it is immediately apparent?

    I don't know but I'd doubt any adult living at home is any more or less emotionally dependent (whatever that actually means) than those who have huge mortgages on their own homes. I had a partner in our own house and Christ help me but she was the most emotionally dependent person I've ever or am likely to ever come across.

    What is this "independent living" people keep talking about? There's nothing independent about indebting oneself to a bank for the rest of one's life. In fact its the mirror opposite! To use that horrible corporate speak we hear so often, maybe its time you think outside the box!

    How did the parents acquire the home in the first place, they usually had a mortgage. The folly of indebting themselves has made sure they have the home the adult children live in.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    mariaalice wrote: »
    How did the parents acquire the home in the first place, they usually had a mortgage. The folly of indebting themselves has made sure they have the home the adult children live in.

    Indeed but what has that got to do with the adult children? The Landlord who'd rent to them also presumably got a mortgage. Besides, why should a succeeding generation make the same mistake (if they believe it to be a mistake) just because their parents did? And I also think things have changed considerably since the 60's regarding the viability of buying and paying off one's own house these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭mad m


    Alas my kids 20 & 17 will either have to emigrate or by looks of housing situation will be staying with us. If they emigrate I'll be sad, if they stay I'll be sad... I'm
    Fook'd either way. :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    Jesus. wrote: »
    (I left home many years ago but I'm not sure why others staying there should be wrong?)

    Like around 2000 years ago? How did that work out for you?



    I'm sorry Jesus, I know it's a poor quality pun-central every time you turn up in a thread (or are you in every thread at once, all of the time?) but I just can't help it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Like around 2000 years ago? How did that work out for you?

    Reportedly he and Dad sit next to each other at dinner. If I'm remembering my Apostle's Creed correctly, anyway. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,286 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Everybodies situation is different and once it works and everybody is happy with the situation. I don't see the problem. The only thing I'd have an issue with is people sticking their nose in on other people's situation saying they know what their personal lives are like and judging them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    Like it Pac Man :D


  • Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm mid 30s, my Dad is always welcome to my spare room and I still have my room at "home". My place isn't home to me, home is my ole lad's house :)

    If he needed I'd move back there no problem.

    I know quite a few people in their 30s who live with their parents, it's not really uncommon to be fair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Just to say, would it be the case that the OP is talking about those who will NEVER leave home and stay with Mam and Dad forever. OP was talking about 30-40 year olds.

    If someone is healthy and working, maybe staying with the folks full time from birth to 40 and beyond is a bit of a cop out?

    That's what I got from OP, not referring to those who occasionally stay with parents to save, recover from breakup, ill health whatever. Just saying.

    Yes, I didn't get the impression he was talking about adults who are going through hard times, more so adults who can't be arsed cutting the apron strings and standing on their own two feet.

    Of course my children would be welcome home if they were ever in need, but I have always brought them up to value their independence. I see it as my job to make sure they strive to follow their own paths and lead their own lives as fully functioning adults.

    Also, I'm quite looking forward to my empty nest one day and I don't give two figs if that makes me selfish or not! I've spent my twenties, thirties and forties looking after my family and I'd rather like some time just looking after me for a while :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Knine


    My youngest will never live an independent life. She will always need to be supervised. I hope I will be around for a very long time to look after her & will be happy to have her living with me. I do know that at some point it will be best for her to live in some sort of sheltered housing before I am too old or unable to care for her.

    I will spent the next 30 years trying to teach her as much life skills as possible. I live in absolute dread of who will look out for her when I am gone.

    The door will always be open for my eldest too!

    Life is not always Black & White.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭Trebor176


    flopflop73 wrote: »
    I'm struck by the amount of people I know who still live at home.

    These are people in their 30's and 40's!

    QUOTE]

    This is something that has worried me of late, I must admit. I'm 30 and still live at home. I would love to have a place of my own, but I choose not to go down the renting route, due to the cost of renting. And, being single and having friends that are already settled or whatever, forking out over a grand on my own every month just isn't possible at the moment. My goal was to have my own place at 30, but for different reasons, that hasn't worked out.

    I was told that there are loads that are 30 or over still living at home, which has made me feel a bit better. Many of these may have had their own homes before, but were unable to keep up payments and were forced to move back home. These are the lucky ones, due to still having a roof over their heads. The unlucky ones are the growing numbers of people that have been made homeless for the above reasons, among others.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭4ensic15


    One sad situation I have come across a few times is a person in their 40s flat hunting after their last parent has died and the house has been sold. They are invariably clueless as to what they are getting into and are quite often accompanied by a neighbour who will be in the same situation in a few years when that person's parents die.
    The situation is sad because it was avoidable. It is, in my view, essential that people experience independent living in their 20s. parents need to switch off the rotor blades on the helicopter and make their children think and act for themselves before it is too late.


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