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Catcalling is now a 'hate crime' - UK Police Force

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  • #92
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    FortySeven wrote: »
    She's the chief constable. That's the head of that force. Can't get higher.

    What she is doing is taking the hate crime legislation and using it to forward a feminist agenda.

    Just seen that in the Op was just constable. Very odd comment then with someone with experience calling for one law for some.


  • #93
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    FortySeven wrote: »
    She's the chief constable. That's the head of that force. Can't get higher.

    What she is doing is taking the hate crime legislation and using it to forward a feminist agenda.



    :eek:


  • #94
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Kevlar Cube wrote: »
    If unwanted comments are going to be illegal should chuggers be arrested then.

    Fed three times a day, free wash, free rags, an exercise regiment, all the time in the world to read books like war and peace, watch TV the odd time - without having to pay a licence - nice walls around you to tell the world to FO if yer lucky enough to get solitary.

    And all I have to do is call a woman a ****...

    Not gonna lie, thats an attractive package (heh..) right there :D


  • #95
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Another suggestion: Should we create designated "hookup zones", where approaching somebody to hit on them or ask them out is acceptable, outside which it would be considered harassment?

    Because without taking action like this, I don't see how anyone can actually approach somebody they like for the first time without risking it being considered "unwanted attention".

    Should be a cinch to embed in the Pokemon go framework.

    Make it so!


  • #96
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    We are talking about this ridiculous comment from a rank and file Police officer. .......
    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    To be fair it's the lowest rank.

    ?

    Sue Fish @CCSueFish I am the Chief Constable of Nottinghamshire Police.

    https://twitter.com/CCSueFish


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  • #97
    NiallBoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Where did she comment on that in her idea ?

    she didnt, so youre just assuming


  • #98
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    NiallBoo wrote: »
    she didnt, so youre just assuming

    How am I assuming. She obviously does not see it as an issue or would have mentioned it. Just like politicians the devil is in the detail and what they don't say is just as important.


  • #99
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    NiallBoo wrote: »
    she didnt, so youre just assuming


    I think it's you, who is assuming.


  • #100
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,039 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Tbh I think it's sad and pathetic that guys can just shame women for their looks and body.

    While I think it's ott, I dont think it's in any right minded male to slag a woman or praise a woman's fine assets while out walking or running etc.

    EVENFLOW



  • #101
    Carlos Orange
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    One step closer to people declaring being straight sexist.


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  • #102
    darkpagandeath
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Tbh I think it's sad and pathetic that guys can just shame women for their looks and body.

    While I think it's ott, I dont think it's in any right minded male to slag a woman or praise a woman's fine assets while out walking or running etc.

    Have we a link to a study showing it's any more prevalent towards woman than men to warrant any legislation. Bar Outside anecdotes.


  • #103
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    Oh man...I only took a look at the name of the Editor of the HP article now: Alanna Vagianos.


  • #104
    Junkyard Tom
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    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Alanna Vagianos.

    Vagina Alas Anon


  • #105
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,796 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    this is total nonsense and part of the feminist crap that is taking over.

    I don't think anyone here would disagree that cat calling and such like is wrong and should be stopped.
    it is hurtful and insulting

    the problem here is that we have laws that could be used to stop this behaviour but they are not used.

    my problem with this is that it is all one sided. all reports are about women being intimidated by men. we are all aware that it happens both ways. but that is never mentioned

    there is no need for any more laws.


  • #106
    Fr_Dougal
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    psinno wrote: »
    One step closer to people declaring being straight sexist.

    I disagree. Most straight people wouldn't take part in behaviour like this.

    It's a pity she didn't include catcalls etc. to both sexes in this legislation, just looks like a political stunt as it is.


  • #107
    darkpagandeath
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    I disagree. Most straight people wouldn't take part in behaviour like this.

    It's a pity she didn't include catcalls etc. to both sexes in this legislation, just looks like a political stunt as it is.

    Aye at least the law would not be sexist then but no less ridiculous. No one has the right to be offended. Where does offended turn into Intimidated I will tell you repeated antisocial behaviour not a one off. Someone calls you a F*ch wit in the street just move on if they then follow you and continue that's intimidation and already covered in the law.


  • #108
    Lux23
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    I wish this could be brought in here, I get men commenting on the size of my breasts on a regular basis. It's been a problem for me since I was 11 years old and men need to realise that sidling up to a woman and commenting on her body/looks is not flattering.

    Lots of men here seem to be dead set against this legislation, why is that?


  • #109
    FortySeven
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    Lux23 wrote: »
    I wish this could be brought in here, I get men commenting on the size of my breasts on a regular basis. It's been a problem for me since I was 11 years old and men need to realise that sidling up to a woman and commenting on her body/looks is not flattering.

    Lots of men here seem to be dead set against this legislation, why is that?

    If you can't understand why, perhaps you shouldn't be advocating it?

    It criminalizes men for perfectly normal behavior. Not just catcalling. It is wide open to abuse and gives a woman legal protection to decide who or what she has to listen to.

    It is an attack on the free speech of one gender. Massively sexist and frankly sets a dangerous precedent in law.


  • #110
    the_pen_turner
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    Lux23 wrote: »
    I wish this could be brought in here, I get men commenting on the size of my breasts on a regular basis. It's been a problem for me since I was 11 years old and men need to realise that sidling up to a woman and commenting on her body/looks is not flattering.

    Lots of men here seem to be dead set against this legislation, why is that?

    im sorry to hear that you regularly receive this sort of crap.
    im sure if you wanted to you could use the current laws to

    the reason men are against this is because it is only being portrayed as a solution to men cat calling at women and not being used as a tool to stop all this crap irrespective of gender


  • #111
    Greentopia
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    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Yes, that's horrible. But as horrible as it is, it would be much more horrible if those guys didn't have the right to say those things for fear of being arrested or charged in court. You might not like it, but it's the truth. And if you want people to stop behaving like that in public, laws are not the answer. Education is. Offer to pay more in taxes to fund education and teachers rather than lawyers, courts and prisons to persecute people for saying horrible things to you.

    I think making an example of them in court would send a message to others that this is something that is taken seriously by the law and would act as a deterrent to others who might think such a thing is harmless or fun.
    Education is of course the answer but how do you propose to do that?

    And I believe in paying my share of taxes for education and teachers, have I said anything to the contrary? I think sending someone to prison is going too far (I'm against the whole prison carceral system anyway but that's another topic), but a fine and some sort of mediation where the offenders are forced to be confronted by the victim as to the impact of what they did on them is a good way to go as I think restorative justice is more just than retributive and results in a reduction in recidivism.


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  • #112
    ceadaoin.
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    FortySeven wrote: »
    If you can't understand why, perhaps you shouldn't be advocating it?

    It criminalizes men for perfectly normal behavior. Not just catcalling. It is wide open to abuse and gives a woman legal protection to decide who or what she has to listen to.

    It is an attack on the free speech of one gender. Massively sexist and frankly sets a dangerous precedent in law.

    The sexism is in the fact that some men feel they are entitled to make unwanted remarks to women about their bodies or looks in the first place.


  • #113
    Sweetemotion
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    Greentopia wrote: »
    I think making an example of them in court would send a message to others that this is something that is taken seriously by the law and would act as a deterrent to others who might think such a thing is harmless or fun.
    Education is of course the answer but how do you propose to do that?

    And I believe in paying my share of taxes for education and teachers, have I said anything to the contrary? I think sending someone to prison is going too far (I'm against the whole prison carceral system anyway but that's another topic), but a fine and some sort of mediation where the offenders are forced to be confronted by the victim as to the impact of what they did on them is a good way to go as I think restorative justice is more just than retributive and results in a reduction in recidivism.





  • #114
    FortySeven
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The sexism is in the fact that some men feel they are entitled to make unwanted remarks to women about their bodies or looks in the first place.

    I've never done that.


  • #115
    Greentopia
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    There's a way of avoiding that-don't be a dick to women. Do you think it's ok to comment on a woman's body like that?
    And don't be disingenuous, it's more than just "speaking to women", it's making sexist, demeaning and disrespectful comments to them.

    By the way I think this law should be applied equally to any gender who catcalls or makes lewd or suggestive and demeaning remarks.


  • #116
    Sweetemotion
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    Greentopia wrote: »
    There's a way of avoiding that-don't be a dick to women. Do you think it's ok to comment on a woman's body like that?
    And don't be disingenuous, it's more than just "speaking to women", it's making sexist, demeaning and disrespectful comments to them.

    By the way I think this law should be applied equally to any gender who catcalls or makes lewd or suggestive and demeaning remarks.


    Have you ever done or said something you wished you had'nt while drunk?


  • #117
    FortySeven
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    Greentopia wrote: »
    There's a way of avoiding that-don't be a dick to women. Do you think it's ok to comment on a woman's body like that?
    And don't be disingenuous, it's more than just "speaking to women", it's making sexist, demeaning and disrespectful comments to them.

    By the way I think this law should be applied equally to any gender who catcalls or makes lewd or suggestive and demeaning remarks.

    This law expressely states uninvited communication. It doesn't state it has to be lewd, aggressive, demeaning etc. The law is ****. A child could write more watertight legislation.

    The women's aid hive in Nottingham must be rejoicing that they managed to get this through. Tumblr is collectively masturbating. This is man hate legislated. Absolutely incredible.


  • #118
    Greentopia
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    Sweetemotion wrote: »

    Oh grow up and use intelligent arguments instead of resorting to crappy white male victimhood statements by inadequate American basement dwellers who hate de feminazis because they can't get a woman. The vast majority of men here are white for god sake.


  • #119
    FortySeven
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    Don't be a dick to women or we'll have you prosecuted!

    Really? This is a fair and just use of the law?


  • #120
    Tordelback
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    I was throwing the arguments round in my head as I worked through the thread, but you've convinced me Lad: this policy seems like a good idea if it annoys people who think/act like you do.


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  • #121
    osarusan
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    If I understand the hate crime law correctly, the prosecution would still have to prove that any act was motivated by hatred of or hostility toward women.

    So I think the fear of going to prison for just asking a woman the time at a bus stop or even using a risque chat-up line is fairly groundless.

    I do agree though that I can't see what it is this law would criminalise that isn't already considered illegal. "Threatening, abusive or insulting" language is already illegal in the UK, and it doesn't require the motivation behind the act to be proven either.

    As an aside, if the report in the OP is correct, I'm surprised to hear that any county police force in the UK can simply amend/expand law like that. I did not think they had the authority to do so.


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