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Redfox25 · 14-07-2016 01:46PM

Wonderful stuff.

Lu Tze · 14-07-2016 02:11PM

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Meanwhile, over on adverts, tempers flare as a very generous offer is turned down graciously....

I don't know what dishoned means

Digital Solitude · 14-07-2016 03:04PM

Disowned I think? As a teenager I tend to be down with the lingo by way of osmosis but that's a new one for me too :pac:

Revoker88 · 14-07-2016 03:32PM

Im gonna guess 'Dishonest',someone should fire off a PM and ask him,seems like a nice chap.....:D

Lu Tze · 14-07-2016 03:55PM

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Disowned I think? As a teenager I tend to be down with the lingo by way of osmosis but that's a new one for me too :pac:

I have ten nephews and nieces, you would think I would pick some of it up! I'm afraid I'm going to miss out on some new swear words as they become popular!

Revoker88 · 14-07-2016 05:39PM

Hmmm,no that ive had way too much time to think about what gpu to get my mind has started to wander regarding a whole system rebuild at this point.

Thinking maybe should sell my current setup,forget about a 1080 and go with a 1070 to be paired with a 6700k and some nice fast ddr4. Id be getting rid of a 3570k and 8gb of 1600mhz ddr3.

With keeping drives from the old build i reckon it would cost about €1170,considering ive already about €800 put aside for a 1080 im wondering should i just save the bit extra and go for a total rebuild.

What are peoples thoughts?

The original plan was to get the 1080 and upgrade evrything else next year with kaby lake. Should i stick to this plan insted of full re build now?

PS: Gaming at 1440p @ 100hz

AlmightyCushion · 14-07-2016 05:46PM

EoinHef wrote: »

Hmmm,no that ive had way too much time to think about what gpu to get my mind has started to wander regarding a whole system rebuild at this point.

Thinking maybe should sell my current setup,forget about a 1080 and go with a 1070 to be paired with a 6700k and some nice fast ddr4. Id be getting rid of a 3570k and 8gb of 1600mhz ddr3.

With keeping drives from the old build i reckon it would cost about €1170,considering ive already about €800 put aside for a 1080 im wondering should i just save the bit extra and go for a total rebuild.

What are peoples thoughts?

The original plan was to get the 1080 and upgrade evrything else next year with kaby lake. Should i stick to this plan insted of full re build now?

PS: Gaming at 1440p @ 100hz

A 3570 and 8GBs is still very good. I wouldn't be getting rid of it any time soon if I was you unless you are doing some very cpu intensive tasks. Stick with what you have. Maybe overclock a little to get a bit of a boost on performance.

MarkAnthony · 15-07-2016 12:08AM

There's no point in going from an i5/i7 Ivy Bridge to anything on the Z170 platform. If you have to upgrade you really need to go to the 6/8/10 core line up which are actually worse for gaming.

Serephucus · 15-07-2016 09:35AM

I want Zen to be great.

I want it to be something absolutely earth-shattering.

Probably won't be.

But I would be wonderful to spur Intel to actually do something interesting for the first time in over five years.

twinsen · 15-07-2016 10:20AM

MarkAnthony wrote: »

There's no point in going from an i5/i7 Ivy Bridge to anything on the Z170 platform. If you have to upgrade you really need to go to the 6/8/10 core line up which are actually worse for gaming.

It all depends what you are using your machine for.
If gaming is what you are after, then it is definitely worth to upgrade. I myself replaced my 2500k with 6700k, and the difference is huge. Getting over extra 20fps in most of the games, not to mention that 6700k is using less energy, does not overheat like my 2500k, and with the my noctua fan, and the whole gaming experience is whisper quiet.

But if you are just browsing internet, then even old core i3 is fine.

K.O.Kiki · 15-07-2016 11:12AM

twinsen wrote: »

It all depends what you are using your machine for.
If gaming is what you are after, then it is definitely worth to upgrade. I myself replaced my 2500k with 6700k, and the difference is huge. Getting over extra 20fps in most of the games, not to mention that 6700k is using less energy, does not overheat like my 2500k, and with the my noctua fan, and the whole gaming experience is whisper quiet.

But if you are just browsing internet, then even old core i3 is fine.

For the same price as an i7+motherboard, you'd get more value (FPS) upgrading your graphics card to a 980 Ti.

AlmightyCushion · 15-07-2016 11:21AM

twinsen wrote: »

It all depends what you are using your machine for.
If gaming is what you are after, then it is definitely worth to upgrade. I myself replaced my 2500k with 6700k, and the difference is huge. Getting over extra 20fps in most of the games, not to mention that 6700k is using less energy, does not overheat like my 2500k, and with the my noctua fan, and the whole gaming experience is whisper quiet.

But if you are just browsing internet, then even old core i3 is fine.

There's not meant to be a huge difference in the performance of a 2500k and a 6700k. It's possible the overheating of your 2500k is the reason for the huge jump in FPS when you upgraded.

Revoker88 · 15-07-2016 12:01PM

With no overclocking that fps jump looks to be about right. At stock there is about a 10-20% gain from a 2500k to a 6600k.

TerrorFirmer · 15-07-2016 12:04PM

Not strictly true, I fully agree that upgrading from 2nd/3rd gen i5/i7 to Skylake usually isn't necessary - not because it doesn't perform any better, but because in most scenarios the GPU would be bottlenecking the CPU.

If you're running something like a GTX1080 or GTX1070, then yes, your min, avg and max framerates will be much better on a 6700K or 6600K than a 2600K or 2500K.

However, we're still talking levels generally above 60fps so even further, only comes into play at 100/144hz or 1440p.

So for most people the upgrade doesn't really bring any noticeable returns and you're way better served getting a new card rather than CPU.

But in this particular case at 1440p 100hz, yes it will make a difference - ranging from slight to significant depending on the game.

MarkAnthony · 15-07-2016 12:39PM

Okay admittedly it's worth it in some scenarios but it should be noted that while one resolution and refresh would make a difference another would not.

I find it hard to believe there is much of a difference between Ivy Bridge and Skylake but I haven't tested it so I'll defer to first hand knowledge, other than to query going from an i5 to i7 might be making more of a difference than the architecture change.

twinsen · 15-07-2016 12:45PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

There's not meant to be a huge difference in the performance of a 2500k and a 6700k. It's possible the overheating of your 2500k is the reason for the huge jump in FPS when you upgraded.

When I say overheating, I meant to say the temps were over 85 most of the time, and it was overclocked only to 4.4. It wasn't throttling or anything. Meanwhile 6700k on 4.6 on prime95 does not go over 65 degrees.
There is numerous amount of benchmarks that shows gains over 2500k or 3570k.
Whether is it worth extra money, probably not. But in my case, after having 2500k for 5 years, I thought it was the time.

Revoker88 · 15-07-2016 01:03PM

Thats in line with most of what ive been reading,that high refresh rate gaming at higher resolutions the cpu can be more of an issue when the gpu is capable of 100fps+.

Thats why im pondering the whole system upgrade to sky lake. Also DDR4 seems to be showing an improvement in gaming so that would be a nice bonus too.

K.O.Kiki · 15-07-2016 03:15PM

EoinHef wrote: »

Thats in line with most of what ive been reading,that high refresh rate gaming at higher resolutions the cpu can be more of an issue when the gpu is capable of 100fps+.

Thats why im pondering the whole system upgrade to sky lake. Also DDR4 seems to be showing an improvement in gaming so that would be a nice bonus too.

It's weird because RAM speed didn't have any effect at all in DDR3 platforms, what mattered more was CAS latency.

Revoker88 · 15-07-2016 03:55PM

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

It's weird because RAM speed didn't have any effect at all in DDR3 platforms, what mattered more was CAS latency.

Yeah personally the only game that i have that appears to be held back by my current ram speeds is Fallout 4. But that may change.

Monotype · 15-07-2016 03:57PM

It does come into play more with overclocked systems and lower resolutions. xbitlabs looked into it a few times. These articles go back a bit now, unfortunately they don't seem to write anymore.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3_7.html#sect0
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/haswell-ddr3_7.html#sect0

ED E · 15-07-2016 08:11PM

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10486/futuremark-releases-3dmark-time-spy-directx12-benchmark

Something more than Starswarm and Ashes to play with.

Today Futuremark is pulling the covers off of their new Time Spy benchmark, which is being released today for all Windows editions of 3DMark. A showcase of sorts of the last decade or so of 3DMark benchmarks, Time Spy is a modern DirectX 12 benchmark implementing a number of the API's important features. All of this comes together in a demanding test for those who think their GPU hasn’t earned its keep yet.

Revoker88 · 15-07-2016 08:13PM

Quick question,290X and a 8350 both @ stock on a corsair CX500,safe?

Im thinkin might be ok at stock but a little close for comfort

ED E · 15-07-2016 08:17PM

Rated as 290+75 leaves you at only 365W of 500W. Barely drawing a sweat.

Revoker88 · 15-07-2016 08:21PM

ED E wrote: »

Rated as 290+75 leaves you at only 365W of 500W. Barely drawing a sweat.

Thank you ED,appreciate it. Friend picked it up today on adverts and was heart broken when he saw 600W minimum on the box told him might be ok but wanted to double check here.

He is now back to being delighted:)

MiskyBoyy · 15-07-2016 08:35PM

Using away on a 390 on a 600w myself the past few months, not a bother!

Icyseanfitz · 15-07-2016 11:26PM

question lads i have a 390x, wanted to do a serious upgrade to something like 1080 but money is gone

so im looking at maybe just buying another 390x and doing crossfire, is this a mad idea? just bought a 750w psu as well, doubt that with an i7 6700k would handle 2x390x

K.O.Kiki · 15-07-2016 11:35PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

question lads i have a 390x, wanted to do a serious upgrade to something like 1080 but money is gone so im looking at maybe just buying another 390x and doing crossfire, is this a mad idea? just bought a 750w psu as well, doubt that with an i7 6700k would handle 2x390x

Up to 658W, you'd be cutting it dangerously close.

You'd be better off shifting the 390x and then buying the 1080.

Digital Solitude · 15-07-2016 11:36PM

Don't crossfire...

MarkAnthony · 16-07-2016 03:29AM

It should be fine with a set of ear defenders, an industrial AC unit and a generator.

Icyseanfitz · 16-07-2016 03:39AM

MarkAnthony wrote: »

It should be fine with a set of ear defenders, an industrial AC unit and a generator.

haha yup its sad but true

:D:D played some games tonight and my room is so bloody warm, its just the cost really another xfx 390x will probably cost 300-400euro ahhh yer right, il just keep the one and put my money into something more worthwhile, for instance not a 4k monitor (bought one at xmas, what a waste should have gone 144hz)

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