Nice - Bastille day **mod warning post 1**

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Terrorism has grown in line with the Islamisation of the middle east in the last 40 years.

Must look up that fella Muhammed on an online census form. If it was only 40 years ago, he's bound to be on record somewhere :rolleyes:

Snickers Man wrote: »

Of course there are some frothing neocons who think it's all the fault of PC SJWs and multiculturalism. Make up your own mind.

I don't see the Vietnamese slaughtering Americans, or Indians slaughtering British people, or Chinese slaughtering Japanese people, all nations who suffered. Try again.

RobertKK wrote: »

Your post totally lacks the understanding of prayer and the effects of it.
A study of 80,000 people in the US over a 15 year period found that people who attended church on a weekly or a more than weekly timeframe had far better mental health, indeed among Catholics the suicide rate was zero, which was found to be the best for mental health.

It's great that people get mental strength and health out of prayer and religion - what do you suggest we do when that mental strength gives them the courage to mow children down in a truck? Because if he didn't have religion, I'm sure he'd have seen this as bad thing.

skywanderer wrote: »

Coming to a neighborhood near you soon, if you watched Prime Time tonight it made for shocking viewing.

It is not shocking to those of us who have saying it around here for quiet a while that Ireland is sleep walking itself into major trouble.

speedboatchase wrote: »

Tommy Robinson is the far-right former leader of the English Defence League. I'd take his tweets with a pinch of salt for now.

You can label him all you want, but he and some others on the right are actually the ones highlighting some inconvenient truths.
And until mainstream politicians start pulling their head out of their ars**s and stop trying to downplay events like Cologne and the conditions the residents of Calais face daily, people like Robinson will continue to grow in strength.

gosplan wrote: »

Insane stuff in here.

Extremist Islam is like Extremist Hinduism or Extremist Buddisim or Extremist Christianity.

The key term being 'Extremist'.

Extremism has very specific conditions it needs to flourish.

Take away the conditions and you take away the extremism.

Stop with the usual Deflection crapology.
Please stop trying to compare Extremist Islam and it's ultimate cult of death to extremists Christians, extremist Hindus or Extremist Buddists.

Extemist Islam is the one providing suicide bombers, killers that slaughter people on nights out in clubs, hack prisoners heads off with butcher knives, burn prisoners to death, throw gay people off buildings, stone women to death for adultery.
Extremists islam has resulted in thousands dead around the world this year.
It is the one bringing death and destruction to the streets of secular western countries that actually allow people freedoms to practice whatever they want.

The whole reason d'etre of extremist islam is to wipe out any non believers anywhere.

I heard the French ambassador on this morning talking about defeating ISIS.
But wasn't there al qaeda before that and aren't they still around.
And what about Boko Haram ?

Extremist and fundamentalist Islam is on the rise, all funded by the West's great friends in the Gulf and Arabia.
Until Saudi Arabia is confronted fundamentalism will continue to rise.

gosplan wrote: »

Take any Islamic country and provide people with peace and prosperity and you'll see secular Islam thrive.

People need to start seeing extreme views as the effect, not the cause.

What about Egypt ?
They got rid of a dictator and the people got to vote in a new government.
What did they do but vote in the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood (the guys running Clonskeagh mosque btw).
And they decided to turn Egypt into a good old proper islamic state with no room for anyone else.

Extremists are on the rise in once secular and relaxed places like Bosnia, Malaysia, Indonesia.

hmmm wrote: »

It's great that people get mental strength and health out of prayer and religion - what do you suggest we do when that mental strength gives them the courage to mow children down in a truck? Because if he didn't have religion, I'm sure he'd have seen this as bad thing.

What gave Pol Pot the mental strength to order the Khmer Rouge to order his fellow atheists to kill approximatively 2.5 million people of faith?

If there was no religion, very bad things would continue as normal. There are always people who see others who are different as being inferior and deserving to die.

gosplan wrote: »

Insane stuff in here.

Extremist Islam is like Extremist Hinduism or Extremist Buddisim or Extremist Christianity.

The key term being 'Extremist'.

Extremism has very specific conditions it needs to flourish.

Take away the conditions and you take away the extremism.

Take any Islamic country and provide people with peace and prosperity and you'll see secular Islam thrive.

People need to start seeing extreme views as the effect, not the cause.

This is one of the few posts in this thread that really grasps the issue...whether christian, islam, taoist, buddist or atheist....extremism will never breed unity..which is exactly whats needed

Seen a couple of posts on FB and indeed we have even had a poster in this thread saying that after this they will be heading off to join an army and go off to fight.

Good job lads, just like Nice, Paris and every other attacker you have now become radicalised.

People see the pictures of kids dead on the road after being run over and their anger rises and they want to do something about it, maybe in a day or 2 they will calm down and the thoughts of joining up will dissappear and they will go back to their lives but I guarantee that all over Europe over the next few weeks some young men and women will join armies with the soul intention of fighting to stop these attacks.

Now look at it from the other side. Muslims all over the world have access to the Internet and they will see pictures of children blown apart by bombs dropped by western countries, they see these pictures and read these stories and just like our own young men they are outraged by this and wish to fight to help stop it.

Just like us they see their people getting needlessly killed and cant understand why. If your friend told you tomorrow that they had joined up to the US/British army and was heading off to Iraq to fight isis you probably wouldn't bat an eyelid yet young Muslim men doing the same are the bad guys.

Yes I know isis want a Caliphate and want to chop all of our heads off blah blah blah but if 10,000 young men see video of a child killed (weather by a "smart bomb" or a guy in a truck) then you will have a small minority who will feel compelled to do something about it.

I'm just glad that last night's attacker hadn't packed that thing with ANFO because the carnage would have been 100 times worse.

And before anyone starts accusing me of being an SJW or standing up for terrorism, I assure you I am not and would never condone these acts, I'm just trying to point out that the actions of a few cannot be blamed on the majority, calling for mass bombings, deportations, incarceration of millions of people will not solve this.

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm not denying that extremist Islam is currently very much en vogue to justify and encourage such attacks. But I don't kid myself into thinking that arseholes won't do arseholey things if you turn them into Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists... I don't even thing turning them into Pastafarians would make much of a difference.

That's a cop-out I think. "Arsehole" Buddhists are not driving trucks into children, angry young Mormons are not throwing homosexuals off of tall buildings on an industrial scale, and idiot Christians are not being strapped into cars and blowing up markets. There will always be lunatics and maniacs, but what we are facing is organised slaughter from a single part of society.

There is something rotten about some part of Islam, whether it's the religion itself, or the lack of a reformation, or the way it it taught, but this is absolutely a problem that is centred on one community.

When the IRA were blowing up kids in the UK, it was equally valid to say that (on a smaller scale) there was something rotten about Republicanism at the time.

gosplan wrote: »

They've been left alone now. That's kind of key.

Sure, that's what we could have done with the Nazi's - "leave them alone". The same way we left the Yazidi people alone. I see nothing wrong with allowing an ISIS caliphate to be formed in the Middle East, where they are free to plot how they are going to reform the full Caliphate, taking in Turkey, Spain, Eastern Europe etc., all the while carrying out ever more dangerous terrorist attacks on those who they see as their enemy. Sure. "Leave them alone".

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Western bombs are usually precision weapons which aim for terrorists first and foremost. They are not indiscriminate weapons that deliberately aim for innocent unarmed civilians like virtually all terrorist acts.

Morally they aren't in the same ball park.

Many multiples of Muslim civilians including children have been killed by fellow "muslims" than by western bombs.

I agree totally, and yet innocent people do get killed by these "precision" bombs and when isis post their vids online they don't say it was a precision bomb they say a western air strike.