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  • #782
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    screamer wrote: »
    Unfortunately for France it's colonialist past has caught up with it. It's a clear case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. There are no solutions to this situation and with the eu doing all it can to shut down monitoring under the guise of data protection it's an increasingly difficult situation for security forces to prevent. It's sad to see that hundreds of ordinary people have lost their lives already this year in France. It seems that is the cost of multi culturalism very sad. My thoughts are with the families of the deceased what an awful scenario to have to face.

    No its just that people like you only focus on the negatives of multiculturalism rather than the positives... Use refuse to recognize the doctors of different racial/cultural backgrounds who save countless lives across europe every single day... Use probably complain about multiculturalism while eating a kebab or a curry from the chinese... Use are just a pack of hypocrites really.


  • #783
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I love that IrishTrajan has a Turkish girlfriend. The irony is fantastic.


    Unless she's made up that is...

    I think it's pronounced "Girlfriend" ;);)


  • #784
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    They don't want to assimilate.

    Or maybe there's too many people with opinions like yours which make integration absolutely impossible. No no, what am I saying, it couldn't have anything to with that at all. It's all the fault of the muslim of course. Silly me.


  • #785
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I think all right thinking people will agree that tarring all Muslims on account of such attacks is counterproductive.

    At the same time I can't help but feel that Islam badly needs a reformation.


  • #786
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    They'll take them on the basis of them being their citizens.

    And if they're Irish citizens? Born and reared here. Will they still take them? Or should we just 'off 'them and be done with it seen as they're pretty inconvenient and all.


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  • #787
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    They'll take them on the basis of them being their citizens.
    And you believe that deporting tens of thousands of innocent Muslims wont cause an upsurge in ISIS recruits and an upsurge in attacks?


  • #788
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I served in the BA and seen HUNDREDS of you over 5 years, most lasted less than a week.

    I'll make sure to take your appraisal of me and anecdotal evidence under consideration.


  • #789
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I've just come back from living in Germany, I learned German before I went and made sure to be as Ordnung as possible. From standing on the right hand side of the escalators to resisting the urge to pet dogs in public.

    Was that via a time machine by any chance?


  • #790
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    They'll take them on the basis of them being their citizens.

    What about the second and third generations who may not have a passport but have an Irish one. What then? These countries may refuse to give these people entry and citizenship. What's your play then?


  • #791
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    They'll take them on the basis of them being their citizens.


    Delusional,

    Build a wall ,a great big wall ,a fantastic wall
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  • #792
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I've just come back from living in Germany, I learned German before I went and made sure to be as Ordnung as possible. From standing on the right hand side of the escalators to resisting the urge to pet dogs in public.

    WTF are you talking about? And you don't need German to live in Germany.


  • #793
    Moo Moo Land
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Moo Moo Land


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    They don't want to assimilate.

    You said: "Every other policy has failed, from assimilation and integration to multiculturalism."

    How were these 3 policies implemented? (I am not sure they are actually "policies")

    For example, from what I have read, Muslims generally live in "ghettos" in French cities.

    Feb 2015...
    France must tackle "ghettoisation" in parts of the country in the wake of the Paris killings, said François Hollande today.

    The French president said that the government has a responsibility to eliminate profound inequalities in French society.

    He was speaking, at the first of his twice-yearly press conferences after Manuel Valls, the prime minister, described the situation in France high-immigrant "banlieues", or suburbs, as "a kind of apartheid".


  • #794
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Omackeral wrote: »
    And if they're Irish citizens? Born and reared here. Will they still take them? Or should we just 'off 'them and be done with it seen as they're pretty inconvenient and all.

    You can keep asking the same question over and over again, but I've already answered what happens if they were born here earlier in the thread. Go back and read it.


  • #795
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    smash wrote: »
    And you believe that deporting tens of thousands of innocent Muslims wont cause an upsurge in ISIS recruits and an upsurge in attacks?

    If they can't get into the country, how exactly will they carry out these attacks?
    People keep claiming the number of attacks will increase, yet they can't seem to answer how there will be more attacks if there's none of them here.


  • #796
    failinis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭failinis


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    You can keep asking the same question over and over again, but I've already answered what happens if they were born here earlier in the thread. Go back and read it.

    Sorry, your manifesto is just very disjointed in more ways than one. :rolleyes:


  • #797
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    I think all right thinking people will agree that tarring all Muslims on account of such attacks is counterproductive.

    At the same time I can't help but feel that Islam badly needs a reformation.

    We all agree it needs a reformation, particularly the point about becoming a martyr and going to heaven if you die in the name of Islam or defending Islam. This one aspect has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands recently through terrorist acts.

    The role of preachers in the mosques is massive as they set the tone and example.

    And they are not doing a very good job at the minute.

    Plus Saudi Arabia seems to fund a lot of mosques around the world, and their brand of Islam is extreme.


  • #798
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Raphael Tiny Gauge wrote: »
    WTF are you talking about?

    It's what we call facetious.
    Raphael Tiny Gauge wrote: »
    And you don't need German to live in Germany.

    You're aware of what integration means, right? If you move to another country and don't learn the language, you're not integrating.


  • #799
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    You can keep asking the same question over and over again, but I've already answered what happens if they were born here earlier in the thread. Go back and read it.

    Ok just so I'm clear, is it just the Muslims who can't live here?


  • #800
    Moo Moo Land
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Moo Moo Land


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    We all agree it needs a reformation

    Why is Ireland still a Roman Catholic country if the Reformation was so good? :)

    A "reformation" of Islam...actually no, that's a nonsense idea...the "re-writing" of the martyrdom parts of the Quaran will not happen and will not resolve extremist terrorism.

    I am glad people are looking to solutions here but this is too simplistic.


  • #801
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,442 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Ok just so I'm clear, is it just the Muslims who can't live here?

    Could we deport all the idiots? I'd be all for that...


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  • #802
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    The main goals of most terrorist acts are:

    1. Martyrdom
    2. Publicise their cause
    3. Moment of fame for a perpetrator who has nothing left to live for

    We should aim to fight these goals and certainly we shouldn't publicise their cause as it only encourages other nutjobs.


  • #803
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Moo Moo Land wrote: »
    Why is Ireland still a Roman Catholic country if the Reformation was so good? :)

    This is meaningless guff. Ireland is no longer a "catholic" country in any meaningful sense no more than England is Church of England.

    Next you will be telling us the events in Nice are our fault. :rolleyes:


  • #804
    Moo Moo Land
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Moo Moo Land


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    This is meaningless guff. Ireland is no longer a "catholic" country in any meaningful sense no more than England is Church of England.

    Next you will be telling us the events in Nice are our fault. :rolleyes:

    Why is Ireland still a Roman Catholic country if the Reformation was so good? :) Do you know why Luther reformed the church?? You are using the word so explain what you meant.

    A "reformation" of Islam...actually no, that's your nonsense idea...the "re-writing" of the martyrdom parts of the Quaran will not happen and will not resolve extremist terrorism.

    I am glad people are looking to solutions here but this is too simplistic.


  • #805
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I'll make sure to take your appraisal of me and anecdotal evidence under consideration.

    As I said, keyboard warriors like yourself are delusion to the real world.


  • #806
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I'll make sure to take your appraisal of me and anecdotal evidence under consideration.

    It's a pretty good appraisal I'd say.

    You've very juvenile intolerant ideas on this tbh.

    Crazy given your Irish/British/Turkish/German experiences.


  • #807
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Mod:

    IrishTrajan, do not post in this thread again


  • #808
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Moo Moo Land wrote: »
    Why is Ireland still a Roman Catholic country if the Reformation was so good? :) Do you know why Luther reformed the church??

    A "reformation" of Islam...actually no, that's a nonsense idea...the "re-writing" of the martyrdom parts of the Quaran will not happen and will not resolve extremist terrorism.

    I am glad people are looking to solutions here but this is too simplistic.


    Catholicism reacted to the reformation in a number of ways. Use your head.


  • #809
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Riskymove wrote: »
    do you think banning Christianity in Northern Ireland would have solved the troubles?

    Probably not, because the Catholics and Protestants were both well established groups in NI. Islam hasn't gripped Ireland yet. So not is the time to do it. Prevention is better than cure. Refuse to recognise Islam as a religion. CPO the mosques and build parks/social housing etc.


  • #810
    Moo Moo Land
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Moo Moo Land


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    The main goals of most terrorist acts are:

    1. Martyrdom
    2. Publicise their cause
    3. Moment of fame for a perpetrator who has nothing left to live for

    We should aim to fight these goals and certainly we shouldn't publicise their cause as it only encourages other nutjobs.

    How do #1 and #3 co-exist?

    He wants to be a glorious martyr with all the benefits that entails in the "afterlife" ....but also has "nothing left to live for".


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  • #811
    Moo Moo Land
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Moo Moo Land


    Hande hoche! wrote: »
    Catholicism reacted to the reformation in a number of ways. Use your head.

    What???

    He said Islam needs a "reformation". Explain how and why this would work.


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