Anyone else able to divine for water

flutered · 11-07-2016 11:06PM

rangler1 wrote: »

I was in school with a boy that used to be able to find his watch,
He'd hand it to a group and turn his back while one of us would put it in their pocket.
We'd form a circle round him then and he'd find it using a forked stick.
It'd twist in his hand when he'd face the watch.

Tying a weight on a piece of string and holding it with your hand can be weird too,
seem to swing for no reason, some use it to divine water too
It's called dowsing if you want to google

have you ever tried sexing chicks with a needle and tread, hold the treaded needle by the tread, it will either go around in a circle or swing from one side to the other, this tells the chicks sex, it will work for some when the chick is formed in the egg

onrail · 11-07-2016 11:22PM

flutered wrote: »

how were the wells found back in the day, when they had only shovels to dig with, yet most springs were found under a dept of 30 feet

Because they hit ground water at these depths. The problem I've seen with most of these wells is that although they hit groundwater, they're not deep enough to give a sustainable long term yield and have to be redrilled eventually.

This is the problem with groundwater and well drilling which is leading to some of these dowsers making money. People see groundwater as some sort of mysterious black art. The term 'underground springs' for example is a nonsense.

Hydrogeology is a science, and a good hydrogeologist will tell you much more about a well you're thinking of drilling rather than a lad with a holly branch

Genghis Cant · 11-07-2016 11:32PM

flutered wrote: »

have you ever tried sexing chicks with a needle and tread, hold the treaded needle by the tread, it will either go around in a circle or swing from one side to the other, this tells the chicks sex, it will work for some when the chick is formed in the egg

I'm tempted to try this.
I've chicks here and some of them are sex links so I know the sex already. Others I've no idea. I could give it a try. I know for a start I'll be 50% accurate at worse ;-)

eoinfitzokk · 12-07-2016 12:11AM

onrail wrote: »

Because they hit ground water at these depths. The problem I've seen with most of these wells is that although they hit groundwater, they're not deep enough to give a sustainable long term yield and have to be redrilled eventually.

This is the problem with groundwater and well drilling which is leading to some of these dowsers making money. People see groundwater as some sort of mysterious black art. The term 'underground springs' for example is a nonsense.

Hydrogeology is a science, and a good hydrogeologist will tell you much more about a well you're thinking of drilling rather than a lad with a holly branch

Sure look it, if people would like to source water from A: Hydrogeologist; A professional with technical and scientific qualifications or B: A lad with two rods the leave them off.

The hydrogeologist will always be able to tell you what kind of yield you will get from your well, the lads with the rods are literally saying x marks the spot.

In lots of cases you wont need either as the aquifer will be relatively homogenous and you will want to drill upgradient of your wastewater treatment system and farmyard runoff but close to the power and the house.....might leave you with one or two locations to play with.....A professional will tell you this once apparent.

kowtow · 12-07-2016 08:26AM

flutered wrote:

known hereabouts as rouge springs, they work best during wet weather

In England we used to call them winter Wells

_Whimsical_ · 12-07-2016 03:44PM

_Brian wrote: »

This is the best fella yet..
He doesn't even need to come to the site, just a rough sketch and away he goes swinging his plumb.. bingo !!

It did actually work though, he gave an exact spot to be used and it turned out to be perfect! Strange but true.

runawaybishop · 12-07-2016 05:03PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

It did actually work though, he gave an exact spot to be used and it turned out to be perfect! Strange but true.

Unless you can actually prove it worked then it didn't. Anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence and scientific studies have shown time and time against that diving has no more success then pure luck. A stopped clock is also right twice a day after all.

Sam Kade · 12-07-2016 11:14PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Unless you can actually prove it worked then it didn't. Anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence and scientific studies have shown time and time against that diving has no more success then pure luck. A stopped clock is also right twice a day after all.

Yet again I'll ask did you ever try it? Any doubter on this thread haven't answered this question yet.

Your real name wouldn't be Eamon Casey by any chance

raindodger · 13-07-2016 10:26AM

drill rig on the way tomorrow got it divined ,but as others said close to electricity.
Diviner said that there were two strong springs crossing at different heights will give feedback in a few days

onrail · 13-07-2016 10:36AM

raindodger wrote: »

drill rig on the way tomorrow got it divined ,but as others said close to electricity.
Diviner said that there were two strong springs crossing at different heights will give feedback in a few days

As a matter of interest, who does the divining? The drilling contractor or a 3rd party?
Where in the country are you? I'm not a hydrogeologist, but might be able to give a prediction based on online mapping

patsy_mccabe · 13-07-2016 10:43AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Yet again I'll ask did you ever try it? Any doubter on this thread haven't answered this question yet.

Your real name wouldn't be Eamon Casey by any chance

I know where bishop Casey is. And I don't need no diviner go find him.

Sam Kade · 13-07-2016 10:57AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I know where bishop Casey is. And I don't need no diviner go find him.

Go on, tell us

runawaybishop · 13-07-2016 01:30PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Yet again I'll ask did you ever try it? Any doubter on this thread haven't answered this question yet.

Your real name wouldn't be Eamon Casey by any chance

No, nor do i have any intention of trying it until i see a link to actual evidence showing its nothing more than pure chance.

Sam Kade · 13-07-2016 02:15PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

No, nor do i have any intention of trying it until i see a link to actual evidence showing its nothing more than pure chance.

So all you need do is get two metal L shaped rods to find out if it works but you need evidence that it's only pure chance. I found the exact route of a water pipe by using it now if you can do the same without using it if you believe it works by pure chance you'd have your evidence.

flutered · 13-07-2016 03:07PM

onrail wrote: »

Because they hit ground water at these depths. The problem I've seen with most of these wells is that although they hit groundwater, they're not deep enough to give a sustainable long term yield and have to be redrilled eventually.

This is the problem with groundwater and well drilling which is leading to some of these dowsers making money. People see groundwater as some sort of mysterious black art. The term 'underground springs' for example is a nonsense.

Hydrogeology is a science, and a good hydrogeologist will tell you much more about a well you're thinking of drilling rather than a lad with a holly branch

i never heard of any of them charge for their services here abouts

flutered · 13-07-2016 03:36PM

onrail wrote: »

Because they hit ground water at these depths. The problem I've seen with most of these wells is that although they hit groundwater, they're not deep enough to give a sustainable long term yield and have to be redrilled eventually.

This is the problem with groundwater and well drilling which is leading to some of these dowsers making money. People see groundwater as some sort of mysterious black art. The term 'underground springs' for example is a nonsense.

Hydrogeology is a science, and a good hydrogeologist will tell you much more about a well you're thinking of drilling rather than a lad with a holly branch

i have never seen any one dossing with a holly branch, a spring/well in our area served 10 houses, all drawn by bucket, either to a tankard or straight to the house, the council had manual water pumps installed in most localitys, how were they found, also all creamerys in this area has mighty wells on site, one creamery had three wells, which the council bought, they capped two and the remaining one is supplying water to two villages and their surrounding areas, in the u.s they can divine and drill for water by hand using two and an half inch pipe with teeth cut out of one end to act as a drill, them folks are not scientists or hydrologists

runawaybishop · 13-07-2016 04:55PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

So all you need do is get two metal L shaped rods to find out if it works but you need evidence that it's only pure chance. I found the exact route of a water pipe by using it now if you can do the same without using it if you believe it works by pure chance you'd have your evidence.

Just tried it, didn't work. :rolleyes:

runawaybishop · 13-07-2016 04:57PM

flutered wrote: »

them folks are not scientists or hydrologists

The word you are looking for is con artists, or spoofers if you'd like to be polite.

flutered · 13-07-2016 05:13PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

The word you are looking for is con artists, or spoofers if you'd like to be polite.

have you looked them up on line

flutered · 13-07-2016 05:14PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Just tried it, didn't work. :rolleyes:

that answer was not unexpected, paddy power would have not given any odds on it, perhaps one million to one on

onrail · 13-07-2016 05:42PM

flutered wrote: »

... they can divine and drill for water by hand using two and an half inch pipe with teeth cut out of one end to act as a drill, them folks are not scientists or hydrologists

People are missing the point here. The lads who sunk those pipes knew they'd hit water relatively shallow, based on experience and the general characteristics of the area.

Down where I live, I'm 100% certain I'll hit groundwater about 4 to 5 meters below ground level in most places. This is due to:
1. The nature of the subsoil (sand acquifer)
2. The elevation of nearby rivers and streams.

Now I could go out to the field with a rod, shake it around a bit, find water... and be proclaimed some sort of gifted diviner.

But I'm not. Unlike these diviners.. I'm being completely transparent with people. And won't get paid a penny for it

Sam Kade · 13-07-2016 06:52PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Just tried it, didn't work. :rolleyes:

Why don't I believe you.

runawaybishop · 13-07-2016 09:12PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Why don't I believe you.

Ah don't be like that, I made a completely unsubstantiated post you have no way of verifying online. You must accept it as truth.

Look, to make it up to you I have some beans I'd be prepared to sell to you. They are magic.

raindodger · 13-07-2016 10:27PM

onrail wrote: »

As a matter of interest, who does the divining? The drilling contractor or a 3rd party?
Where in the country are you? I'm not a hydrogeologist, but might be able to give a prediction based on online mapping

a relation of the drilling contractor did it he is from the area which is in south limerick on the cork border nearest town charleville six miles

onrail · 13-07-2016 10:41PM

raindodger wrote: »

onrail wrote: »

As a matter of interest, who does the divining? The drilling contractor or a 3rd party?
Where in the country are you? I'm not a hydrogeologist, but might be able to give a prediction based on online mapping

a relation of the drilling contractor did it he is from the area which is in south limerick on the cork border nearest town charleville six miles

See this is what makes me suspicious.... that the diviner is 'a relation' of the contractor!
What are the chances that the point he chooses suits the contractor more than it suits you...!!?

raindodger · 13-07-2016 11:14PM

onrail wrote: »

See this is what makes me suspicious.... that the diviner is 'a relation' of the contractor!
What are the chances that the point he chooses suits the contractor more than it suits you...!!?

have known the diviner for a long number of years has an honest reputation ,you have to factor in that they will look for a site which is most suitable to everyone close to power and present infrastucture.Driller told me he would drill anyplace i wanted

CelticRambler · 16-07-2016 07:41PM

Just passing through, but as I promised I'd run a "controlled experiment" I thought I'd give ye the results (was under pressure to be somewhere else so didn't have time to video it).

Five candidates, one female, four male. Test site was the lane outside the house with one overhead power cable, one on-the-ground power cable, one mains water supply, four drainage channels collecting run-off from the downpipes and carrying it to a collapsed ditch on the other side.

None of the test subjects had ever done divining before, none of them knew what was expected of the rods, and none of them knew the location of any of the water courses. The power cables were visible. The subjects were asked to walk once up and down the lane and call out if "something happened". None of the subjects witnessed the previous test.

Two of the lads got no reaction at all.
The girl and one of the lads identified the location of 100% of the power cables and 100% of the underground watercourses to within 1.5m (as noted by them shouting WTF? or Jayzuz until the began to understand what was going on. :pac:)
Subject No.5 was the most interesting. When he crossed the different channels, the rods swung outwards instead of in, and seemed to get "stuck" in that position. We were about to write him off as a "failure" when it was pointed out that he was the only citeog in the group. He did a follow up test with his arms crossed and the rods crossed as normal when he was above the channels.

No doubt the unbelievers will attribute this consistency to some kind of (unproven) telemetry and psychological manipulation. For those who are genuinely interested, all of the "positive" readings regarding the watercourses were about 1m downhill of the actual locations, which the week before I had found in the right places - by divining. Needs further investigation ...

BTW, I dug out that Kessel study. It's a classic example of a test being "set up to fail" and contributes nothing to the debate.

pedigree 6 · 17-07-2016 02:17PM

I have the theory figured out.

First of all. I use it to find half inch waterpipes.
So we'll start with that how does a plastic waterpipe have a magnetic field?
So I found a study in Canada.
They said that when a liquid like water comes into contact with a non-conducting solid, the solid surface becomes charged with a thin layer. The dimensions of the microchannels used in the Canadian experiments were comparable with the thickness of this charged layer. This means that if water is then forced through the channel, ions with an opposite charge to the surface preferentially pass through it, and ions with a like charge stay behind. This results in the channel becoming positive at one end and negative at the other - like a battery.
So basically behaves like a magnet with magnetic field.

Now to the human element. A human is basically a magnet with a magnetic field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetocardiography
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoencephalography
Right so a magnet both produces it's own magnetic field and responds to magnetic fields.
Taken from trifield.com
A changing magnetic field will also create an electric field in the human body which causes a current to flow. The current is at right angles to the direction of the changing magnetic field and is strongest near the extremities of a person.
Current tends to flow along the outer surface of the body. It's strength is proportional to the rate at which the field changes.

Right so take the right hand or left hand rule (which ever one you use, the one with the three fingers). The magnetic field is below your feet, that means the current will go at a right angle to your body and be strongest to your hands sticking out from your body and the force is you walking into a different magnetic field. Creating an induced current in your body which is shown in your hands and goes into the wires.

Now when the currents go into the wires from the same direction this happens.
Two parallel rectilinear currents interact in such a way that they attract each other if they are flowing in the same direction.
So the wires are attracted to each other and cross.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday%27s_law_of_induction

And here's another one for you.
http://www.bssaonline.org/content/104/3/1289.full.pdf
Remember when dawg's cows stuck to the ground for 10 seconds before the tremor.
If the current to the body comes from changes in magnetic field is true it would explain it. As animals are more sensitive to currents. Anyone who milked cows in a parlour with stray current would tell you that. You can't feel it but they do.

There's food for thought.:pac::pac::pac:

runawaybishop · 17-07-2016 03:49PM

CelticRambler wrote: »

Just passing through, but as I promised I'd run a "controlled experiment" I thought I'd give ye the results (was under pressure to be somewhere else so didn't have time to video it)..

Convenient. Too busy to hold a phone in your hand, or have one of the other 5 people do it?

Interesting that you feel 2 people had 100% success by being as far off as 1.5 Meters.

The citeog bit was funny, good work.

You should tell your 2 mates they can earn 1 million quid, they might cut you in on a bit of it. Of course you'd have to come up with something more substantial than what you have posted here, which is pure nonsense.

runawaybishop · 17-07-2016 03:51PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I have the theory figured out.

You most certainly do not. More holes in that then a colander. Rivers for one poop all over that theory

Anyone else able to divine for water

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