Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Awful in the first half and Freeman, aside from the goal, showed why Doherty has been getting the nod ahead of him so far.

Though McLoughlin and Zippy were the 2 best with Boyle and Keegan doing well also.

I also thought when we were less defensive in shape we were a lot more potent and exciting to watch, a bit more like how we played under James Horan.
Unless I'm mistaken the team we finished with would have been a James Horan starting 15, barring Caff and Barrett who are injured.
I'm still not convinced by Harrison either. That is certainly a position that I'd pref we had more options in.

As regards the Penalty, you'd feel for Fermanagh but not by so much given what looked to me like a push on Keane before their goal and also what looked to me like a drag down on O'Connor in the box. Ref had a shocker in fairness, but It's not usual for us to be the beneficiary of poor officiating. I'm sure I'll still manage to sleep tonight. Even though we were down 6 at half time I knew they had it in them to pull it out of the bag in the second half.

As regards Aidan getting that call from the ref, you can be sure that while he was due at least one, it'll the last he'll get for a long time. He'll be shipping sly digs and trips from the opposition all day long from here on out without a free to be given.

Big improvements needed all the same. It's only getting toughe From here on out.

DoctaDee wrote: »

I thought they said 10,011 IIRC

Edit .. nah .. 12,317 according to Indo

Just read this now!

manofwisdom wrote: »

No real mystery on the Mayo 1st half display as both sides struggled against the wind Fermanagh more than Mayo but i think Fermanagh could easily have found themselves further than 6 points ahead at the break.

The penalty really was a joke of a decision hard to believe not one official seen the clear dive and before the penalty O Shea should have seen red and to point out Fermangh led by a point before the penalty and Mayo didn't exactly knock the lights out after it with just 0-3. Big rub of the green for Mayo twice got when the game was in the melting pot and in truth that got Mayo over the line today.

Mayo will have to greatly improve if they are to reach the All Ireland Quarter final this summer.

I think that that largely is the consensus on the thread.

Just re-watching the game again. McLoughlin isn't playing as a sweeper, he's half sweeper / half free role. I'm only 5 mins in and while he swept up well on two occasions, he proceeded to fly up the pitch and stay there hanging around long after he had made his bursts.

While the common concensus is that we'll have to up our game to get to a QF, I would say that is possible but we'll get no further playing that loosely. Good teams will crucify us with that kinda system.

Edit: And he was caught in no man's land for their goal.

kupus wrote: »

Just wondering If anyone taped the match and put it up on YouTube?

Wouldn't mind seeing it and reserving comments until then.
Thx

I assume it's on the RTE player?

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Just wanted to check with Mr Yop, who pulled me up when I had the cheek to suggest (before the Galway game) that ........ for a big man AOS went to ground very easily, does he still agree that he does not get enough decisions?

Personally, I think that Mayo are still the best team in Connacht and are the best bet of any to bring Sam west of the Shannon, but the behaviour of AOS is I am afraid nothing short of disgraceful. It is not good for our game and not a good example for young fellas to follow. For some to say, it wasn't a penalty but it's ok as there were other decisions that the ref missed, which makes it ok........ It does not ! It is either right or wrong and it was very wrong. If Mayo were knocked out of the championship because of a penalty decision like that, the whole county would be up in arms. Behaviour like that, trying to gain an unfair advantage has no part in our games, it is not what sport is all about.

Mayo Kerry replay 2014
Aidan O Shea pulled to the ground on edge of square (Google the photo ) . Ball goes over bar.
No penalty
James O donoghue dives. Wins penalty .Goal.
Mayo lose
Kerry win All Ireland
Whole county up in arms . Kerry still win all Ireland.
"Soft" mayo lads complaining. "Sore losers "
Too nice for too long .
Nice guys finish last.
Best of luck tomorrow . If ye double hop a ball and win by a point I hope ye offer the Rossies a replay

macinalli wrote: »

Still not sure about McLoughlin as sweeper. I would agree that he needs game time to learn the position. I also think that turnover ball is so hard to defend against, and in the run up to today's Fernanagh goal we gave away a v cheap pass - puts the defence under a lot of pressure.

I still however don't get why we also have Keith Higgins out of position. At this stage there's no surprise element - just play another forward instead of Higgins? Or play Higgins in defence? Why does it have to be a swap between Higgins & McLoughlin?

Agree 100%
Also the bitterness here and elsewhere is beautiful
I'm sick of being pitied "ah poor auld mayo "
We won . Don't care how anymore . Had enough faux sympathy after Kerry in limerick
Time to take a leaf out of Mickey Hartes book
Win and apologize to no one

How is a penalty a turning point when it was awarded against a team who were on the back foot for the second half, playing into the wind, no decent subs, midfield completely gone, pretty shattered looking.
I know it was a dive, but half time was the turning point imo. Fermanagh lost the wind and had no bench.

It was a turning point because Fermanagh had just kicked a crucial score to go back in front and were leading with just 6 mins to go. I'm not saying that minus the penalty they would definitely have won it, but they were still in with every chance and Mayo were struggling to put them away. The penalty finished it and decided a game that until then looked like it was going to the wire.

For all that Mayo dominated the second half they did not get into a winning position until that moment. So yes it was of course a turning point as it knocked the stuffing out of Fermanagh and more or less ended the game as a contest. Mayo might still have won but it would have been tight.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

It would in it's hole be a hollow victory.

You'd argue that what goes around comes around and that someday in the past or future someone else cheated Galway out of something, and you'd be dead right.

I stand by what I said. If Galway win tomorrow I'd like us to win by playing good football, not by cheating. And I'm not suggesting Mayo only won because of the penalty, on the balance of things they'd probably have won it by a point or two even without the penalty.

And I hope the AOS diving thing doesn't get overblown to much. He deserves to be called out on it and hopefully he won't do that again. I know Mayo supporters will say he gets a lot of 'special' treatment and often doesn't get frees that he should, but I think his direct running, almost barging style and the way he goes down quite easily often makes it hard to tell whether he's actually been fouled or not.

Like even in the game today there was a free earlier on that he was given, right in front of the goal, where replays showed that he pretty much stumbled/fell over under his own momentum, and was not fouled.

Will reserve judgement until I watch the game back.

Mayo were the better team overall, the penalty was a turning point and how anyone can condone AOS and his antics is beyond me.

ArielAtom wrote: »

Mayo were the better team overall, the penalty was a turning point and how anyone can condone AOS and his antics is beyond me.

Who exactly is 'condoning' the dive?

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Who exactly is 'condoning' the dive?

I'm not condoning it, but I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it...

There's undoubtedly plenty other supporters with a similar outlook.

km79 wrote:

Mayo Kerry replay 2014 Aidan O Shea pulled to the ground on edge of square (Google the photo ) . Ball goes over bar. No penalty James O donoghue dives. Wins penalty .Goal. Mayo lose Kerry win All Ireland Whole county up in arms . Kerry still win all Ireland. "Soft" mayo lads complaining. "Sore losers " Too nice for too long . Nice guys finish last. Best of luck tomorrow . If ye double hop a ball and win by a point I hope ye offer the Rossies a replay

The famous photo you are referring to was taken this year, in the league. Ball goes over the bar, so the referee cannot give a penalty. Can't see why you are complaining.

Second of all Cafferky fouled James O'Donaghue, no matter how many times you say it didn't happen. You can't slide through the back of a player like that.

To finish, you are still going on about a game that happened 2 years ago, and wondering why people would have the notion that Mayo fans are sore losers. Think about that. In those two years ye have had two different management teams, won an u21 All Ireland, came within a whisker of beating Dublin and are now working your way through the qualifiers. The game moves on.

Your sense of what happened during that Semi Final is so warped now that you are putting incidents from other games into that game to convince yourself that Kerry robbed ye of an All Ireland.

Time to get over it.

(I know Kerry people who still go on about the 2011 final and would offer them the same advice).