11 police shot, 4 officers dead after coordinated sniper fire at Dallas protest rally

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that it's OK to shoot Police officers?

I have to state again I'm against any Black man or any colour getting shot for no reason. Jail for any Policeman as they are not above the law.

Your post is load of bollocks

That's not what I said at all. I suggest your comprehension skills are bollocks.

tritium wrote: »

Still too high mind you, but actually well below the numbers of cops being murdered on duty, which sits at a steady 160ish most years

Don't think that's correct it's around 40-50 killed in the line of duty other deaths include accidents and natural causes too while carrying out duties but I'm open to correction

Gatling wrote: »

Which has happens multiple times across America and yet the police didn't resort to blowing a suspect up .

Was a case where another mass shooter was arrested in a park with no shots were fired by the arresting officers.

There cops not executioners a judge and jury should make that decision. .

So what would you have done differently.... the guy had no intention of surrendering all the negotiation failed. He said the end was coming and that he wanted to kill more white people.
Cops are placed in mortally dangerous scenarios judges and jurys are not you cannot even compare them. Shooter was taken out whether that was with a bomb or bullet doesn't matter. They had to protect everyone and he wasn't going to surrender.

screamer wrote: »

So what would you have done differently.... the guy had no intention of surrendering all the negotiation failed. He said the end was coming and that he wanted to kill more white people. .

He could have been subdued using a multitude of tactics and options .
He was cornered in a parking structure the same robots used to kill him would have easily used to survey what exactly the shooter was carrying they happen to be fitted with advanced imaging systems .
Flash bangs and gas could have been used ,
Bean bag or baton rounds ,
Tasers ,
Swat teams with heavy duty ballistic shields could have subdued the suspect.
He could have easily been waited out too .

But let's blow him up that's was the only option i would love to see the offical reports on that discussion

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What they did is cowardly act, as they target people who can't defend themselves. That is a coward, no doubt about it.

Genuinely thought you were talking about cops executing unarmed civilians here until I deciphered your agenda.
Did you get as far as the word "Dallas" in the title of the thread? These are US cops. To call them defenseless is laughable.

My name is URL wrote: »

Media calling him a coward too. I never really got that line of reasoning tbh.

Interesting that they're so keen to call a US Army veteran a coward and a lunatic. So the US Army doesn't have any process for vetting cowards and lunatics or do they actively recruit them?

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

well if you read post I included women and children so they dont really go around with Guns unless you want tell us all something we dont know?

In Dallas they do. The police said there were 20+ civilians in the area with body armour and rifles that they had the weed through...

dimwittedrep wrote: »

Interesting that they're so keen to call a US Army veteran a coward and a lunatic. So the US Army doesn't have any process for vetting cowards and lunatics or do they actively recruit them?

In fairness people can change after they leave the service or people could have slipped through.

Not being scared of death does not make one brave. Being scared and facing it because you have to make you brave.
This man went out with an agenda to kill a whole load of people based on race. Who in the world did he help with this action? Police are going to be edgier now in case of copycats or just more like him which will lead to more pointless deaths in the black community. He had no real plan for the future he just didn't care. He was a lunatic.

Bravery would have been about trying to enact real change no matter the personal cost. This guy just caused havoc for a bit. I guess if his goal was to cause more tension he could be called brave but still a lunatic.

Interestingly when people mention that the police have it tough because people are so armed no one has responded with the criminals would have guns anyway so it is irrelevant. I mean I don't agree with that reasoning but where did the pro second amendment people go to?

dimwittedrep wrote: »

So you can only be brave if it's for "good"? Otherwise you're a coward?
That makes zero sense.

No but there should be an end goal of being brave. As I said if he had objectives he could be called brave. If his aim was to create increased race tensions and sacrificed himself for this goal then sure he could be called brave.

It seems more likely to me that he simply didn't care about living or dieing at which point he can't be called brave. Obviously this is all conjecture but risking death does not make you brave by itself.

Christy42 wrote: »

No but there should be an end goal of being brave. As I said if he had objectives he could be called brave. If his aim was to create increased race tensions and sacrificed himself for this goal then sure he could be called brave.

It seems more likely to me that he simply didn't care about living or dieing at which point he can't be called brave. Obviously this is all conjecture but risking death does not make you brave by itself.

He did have objectives. You don't like them so you don't think he was brave.
If he didn't care about dying he'd have just stood in the middle of the road. He didn't. He tried to protect himself through using cover and keeping mobile.
Every last argument you've come out with has been "I don't like what he did so he can't be brave" and my prediction is your next slew of reasons will be likewise.

Earlier this week l watched the chilling police murders of two African American men and then yesterday, I viewed the horrifying video of the Dallas gunman riddling a fallen police officer with bullets. My first reaction is one horror to all these murders and my next reaction is one of relief. Relieved that for all our problems, cronyism & corruption in this little country, we don't face the problems that American society faces right now. Glad I don't live in a country where the colour of my skin could be the cause of my death. At the hands of those who have sworn to serve & protect all citizens. We've seen too many videos of hyper aggressive officers acting more like gunslingers, than officers of the peace. The inevitable consequence of this in a society that is dominated by the gun, is the bloodshed on the streets of Dallas the other night.

As Little CuChulainn already pointed out, The Dallas PD is one of the most progressive departments in the country. So there was a kind of cruel irony to the losses they suffered. I think it's also important to acknowledge, that the majority of police officers are undoubtedly good, decent people with a genuine desire to protect and serve all citizens. They need support and their ideals need to be fostered and integrated better with the communities they serve. The only long term solution I can see, is a wholehearted engagement between the community and the police. And it is the standards of progressive departments like the Dallas PD, that need to be copied and implemented across America. This change need to be instigated at the Federal level and should not be left to individual States. Otherwise it could end up in legislative cul-de-sacs.

Once again on Thursday night we witnessed yet another bloody gun rampage with a military style assault rifle. From the massacre of innocent toddlers at Sandyhook, to the murderous attack on the LGBT community in Orlando. You wonder when will America ever cop on and take some serious action? And by America I mean the Lawmakers, in particular, The House Republicans who are much too cosy with the NRA and gun industry interests. Everyone may indeed have The Right To Bear Arms, but surely possessing military style weaponry has gone way beyond what the founding fathers intended. It's a complicated & passionate debate that should have really been resolved years ago and as long as some continue to sit on the fence protecting the gun industry, these mass shootings will continue.

Looking back to Thursday night, I think the Dallas PD deserve real credit for their restraint that night. Guys were walking around with rifles & hand guns on open carry, some even wearing body armour. And while it might have been legal for them to do so. In the heat of the moment, I think we would have forgiven the police if they had of mistaken them for attackers and engaged them. Yet they didn't and that's pretty commendable imo.