German activist lied about sex assault by Arab men to avoid fueling racism

The King of Moo · 09-07-2016 11:55AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

She's perfectly sane compared to the woman who thanked her rapists:

https://www.unzensuriert.at/content/0020023-Vergewaltigte-Sozialistin-bedankt-sich-bei-Fluechtlingen

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/24-j%C3%A4hrige-Sprecherin-der-Linksjugend-Brief-an-Vergewaltiger1.png

Yes, the left has become so PC that they thank their rapists and apologise to them.
I detest and hate the far right, but these nutters are just as bad. Sorry for the triggering and the microagression and apologies to Generation Snowflake.

This is from google translate, but I can't be arsed translating this now:

So this one woman is "the left," is she?

You should have really pointed out in your post that she thanked a hypothetical refugee for existing, and didn't thank her rapists for raping her, as your post implies by omitting that detail.

Even taking that into account, what's the value of sharing one Facebook post from a woman who suffered a traumatic experience?

lazybones32 · 09-07-2016 12:01PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

She's perfectly sane compared to the woman who thanked her rapists:

https://www.unzensuriert.at/content/0020023-Vergewaltigte-Sozialistin-bedankt-sich-bei-Fluechtlingen

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/24-j%C3%A4hrige-Sprecherin-der-Linksjugend-Brief-an-Vergewaltiger1.png

Yes, the left has become so PC that they thank their rapists and apologise to them.
I detest and hate the far right, but these nutters are just as bad. Sorry for the triggering and the microagression and apologies to Generation Snowflake.

This is from google translate, but I can't be arsed translating this now:

It's the same woman...

I dunno about the Left becoming so PC that they thank their rapists and apologise to them; there are many in the Left that would like all men to apologise for being potential rapists and to thank those who highlighted our inherent tendency to be a rapist to us.

Two Tone · 09-07-2016 12:07PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

She's perfectly sane compared to the woman who thanked her rapists:

https://www.unzensuriert.at/content/0020023-Vergewaltigte-Sozialistin-bedankt-sich-bei-Fluechtlingen

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/24-j%C3%A4hrige-Sprecherin-der-Linksjugend-Brief-an-Vergewaltiger1.png

Yes, the left has become so PC that they thank their rapists and apologise to them.
I detest and hate the far right, but these nutters are just as bad. Sorry for the triggering and the microagression and apologies to Generation Snowflake.

This is from google translate, but I can't be arsed translating this now:

Good stuff - use something people can't understand, to make a point.

Horrendous to read (both the content, from what I can decipher, and the crappy translation).
Nobody here ever goes on about micro aggressions (unless taking the piss) so I don't get why people here keep using that satire aimed at nobody. But yeah it is frustrating when self loathing whites refer to their society as racist when it isn't (the odd racist individual does not a racist society make) and apologise for something they haven't done (apart from be white).
Worse again when the white person has been raped by members of a community that they feel they have to tiptoe around.
Although this is one woman, not "the left" thanking "their" rapists. Translation is terrible so can't fully make out - did she say thanks for raping me?

It's just that while I do agree this sh-t is dismaying I reckon a more effective way of highlighting it would be not to use inflammatory phrases or say things were said which weren't said.

lazybones32 · 09-07-2016 12:08PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Woman commits to aiding refugees.

Suffers traumatic assault at the hands of people who may be refugees, forcing her to question her activism while simultaneously dealing with the trauma of her assault.

In this frame of mind, she initially decides not to report her attackers' appearance, but changes her mind after a short time.

I really don't get how people can't imagine how she was thinking, and leap to the conclusion that she's insane.

Aren't you doing something similar to the ones who are calling her insane? You know as much as everyone else and given the info, what judgement would you arrive at, based on her actions?

The King of Moo · 09-07-2016 12:11PM

lazybones32 wrote: »

Aren't you doing something similar to the ones who are calling her insane?

No.

lazybones32 wrote: »

You know as much as everyone else and given the info, what judgement would you arrive at, based on her actions?

None, because I can only theorize about what she might be feeling by trying to imagine what her mindset could be. But I can't know for sure so I'm not going to judge her. Which I wouldn't do anyway even if I knew exactly what she was thinking.

Ave Sodalis · 09-07-2016 12:20PM

FrJGHackett wrote:

So afraid of appearing racist that she lied to police to protect her attackers. Let that sink in. She was so afraid of being racist that she lied to the police to protect her the men who attacked her to protect them.

What? It says in the bit you quoted that she was afraid of fueling racism against the refugees... how on earth did you then come to that conclusion?

Honestly, sometimes I think people nay have a point that the PC crazies have gone too far... and then stuff like this reminds me that people will also misinterpret anything to cover their view point. She didn't lie because of the PCs, she lied because of the opposite, the racist who just want any excuse to prevent aid getting to refugees.

lazybones32 · 09-07-2016 12:34PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

No.

Of course not :rolleyes:

The King of Moo wrote: »

None, because I can only theorize about what she might be feeling by trying to imagine what her mindset could be. But I can't know for sure so I'm not going to judge her. Which I wouldn't do anyway even if I knew exactly what she was thinking.

You are an adult, yes? Critical thinking, discernment, judgement and discrimination are mental faculties used to distinguish and evaluate situations. I asked you to give your judgement based on her actions, not her motivations, thoughts, feelings, etc.

The King of Moo · 09-07-2016 12:45PM

lazybones32 wrote: »

Of course not :rolleyes:

You are an adult, yes? Critical thinking, discernment, judgement and discrimination are mental faculties used to distinguish and evaluate situations. I asked you to give your judgement based on her actions, not her motivations, thoughts, feelings, etc.

Read my posts. I've theorized about how her experiences might have informed her choices.

biko · 09-07-2016 12:45PM

Swedish lefty Barbro Sörman tweets that it's worse when white Swedes rape than when refugees rape.
"Swedes should know better because they grew up with equality".

You know, it makes a weird sort of sense. Refugees don't have the mindset that raping is bad.
Maybe they do but they are not intelligent enough to realise that raping in a foreign country is wrong.
Maybe their sex drives are stronger than white men.

In English for your reading pleasure
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/214479

Grayson · 09-07-2016 12:52PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

So this one woman is "the left," is she?

Don't you remember at the last meeting we decided to adapt every position she held. No? You were wearing a red jumper with Trotsky on the front. Does that jog your memory?

Richard Hillman · 09-07-2016 12:55PM

biko wrote: »

Swedish lefty Barbro Sörman tweets that it's worse when white Swedes rape than when refugees rape.
"Swedes should know better because they grew up with equality".

You know, it makes a weird sort of sense. Refugees don't have the mindset that raping is bad.
Maybe they do but they are not intelligent enough to realise that raping in a foreign country is wrong.
Maybe their sex drives are stronger than white men.

In English for your reading pleasure
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/214479

These type of stories are starting to confirm what so many believe. The leftists and SJWs are crippled with a self-loathing racism.

Grayson · 09-07-2016 01:02PM

biko wrote: »

Swedish lefty Barbro Sörman tweets that it's worse when white Swedes rape than when refugees rape.
"Swedes should know better because they grew up with equality".

You know, it makes a weird sort of sense. Refugees don't have the mindset that raping is bad.
Maybe they do but they are not intelligent enough to realise that raping in a foreign country is wrong.
Maybe their sex drives are stronger than white men.

In English for your reading pleasure
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/214479

It kinda makes weird sense. I've felt for a long time that there are some places like India/Pakistan where women are second class citizens. You only have to see the number of horrible crimes committed against women and girls there to realise that there's something wrong with that culture.

However there are a large number who oppose these crimes. Even in the UK where there have been horrible cases of grooming it's worth remembering that it is only a small number of people of asian heritage who think like that.

It's really down to that old question of nature vs nurture. Some people grow up in those societies and don't turn into rapists, some people grow up in ours and do. I have no doubt that culture affects this but to what extent?

lawlolawl · 09-07-2016 01:10PM

Lol, "rape isn't that bad in some cases because the culture the rapist came from is ****ty"

Just, wow.

09-07-2016 01:14PM

end of the road wrote: »

nonsense. pc doesn't exist and is a myth.

That's God you're thinking of there champ.

PC exists and you are very much the poster child for it. Any thread on travellers, Islam or any so-called disadvantaged groups causing havoc will have you and your ilk coming in with your deflective whataboutery and 'thanks' for each other's frankly dangerous ideas. You fail to see that there are bad bad people in all walks off life. There are horrible travellers, , horrible immigrants, horrible Muslims, horrible blacks and horrible LGBT people. You are doing the 99% of the good ones a disservice by intentionally blindfolding yourself from the actions of the sh*theads.

biko · 09-07-2016 01:23PM

There can be only one punishment for a non-national raping - deportation if convicted and a 5year sentence then to be served in a prison in your home country.

If "undocumented" we'll just send you to a prison in Libya where you will stay indefinitely until you remember where you came from. Then we send you there.

Mongfinder General · 09-07-2016 01:31PM

Omackeral wrote: »

That's God you're thinking of there champ.

PC exists and you are very much the poster child for it. Any thread on travellers, Islam or any so-called disadvantaged groups causing havoc will have you and your ilk coming in with your deflective whataboutery and 'thanks' for each other's frankly dangerous ideas. You fail to see that there are bad bad people in all walks off life. There are horrible travellers, , horrible immigrants, horrible Muslims, horrible blacks and horrible LGBT people. You are doing the 99% of the good ones a disservice by intentionally blindfolding yourself from the actions of the sh*theads.

Most of the above is correct. However, what are you basing the 99% figure on?

professore · 09-07-2016 01:37PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Woman commits to aiding refugees.

Suffers traumatic assault at the hands of people who may be refugees, forcing her to question her activism while simultaneously dealing with the trauma of her assault.

In this frame of mind, she initially decides not to report her attackers' appearance, but changes her mind after a short time.

I really don't get how people can't imagine how she was thinking, and leap to the conclusion that she's insane.

She may or may not be insane, but she is certainly lied to the police, and endangered other women and opened up innocent men to false accusations. I would say strongly deluded is fair.

Two Tone · 09-07-2016 01:40PM

No doubt it is because of women being viewed crappily in the cultures which they grew up in, but they're still responsible for their actions, still in another country where they know it's not acceptable (and which they should show respect to for giving them the opportunity to make a new life) and still thugs. They also do their compatriots a disservice.

Grayson · 09-07-2016 02:17PM

biko wrote: »

Swedish lefty Barbro Sörman tweets that it's worse when white Swedes rape than when refugees rape.
"Swedes should know better because they grew up with equality".

You know, it makes a weird sort of sense. Refugees don't have the mindset that raping is bad.
Maybe they do but they are not intelligent enough to realise that raping in a foreign country is wrong.
Maybe their sex drives are stronger than white men.

In English for your reading pleasure
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/214479

I've only just read that story. There's one huge issue with it. Sweden isn't the rape capital of europe. Sweden has changed the laws around rape and sexual assault to classify nearly all sexual assault as rape. They also over report compared to other countries. For example if a woman was raped 5 times by her husband that counts as 5 reported rapes in sweden whereas here it's counted once. That's why there's a huge jump in the number of rapes, not because more are occurring but because more crimes are now classified as rape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#Swedish_rape_statistics

That story doesn't say this. It says that rape has increased, there's arabs committing rape therefore they are responsible for the increase. It's completely misleading.

I've taken a look around the site you linked to. Take a look at the Op Ed section. That's a far right nationalist newspaper.

dr.fuzzenstein · 09-07-2016 02:22PM

Two Tone wrote: »

No doubt it is because of women being viewed crappily in the cultures which they grew up in, but they're still responsible for their actions, still in another country where they know it's not acceptable (and which they should show respect to for giving them the opportunity to make a new life) and still thugs. They also do their compatriots a disservice.

Norway is now running courses, teaching immigrants that western women are not sluts, that rape is wrong and just as wrong in case of your wife:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?_r=0

I feel a bit undecided about that, one the one hand it is laudable to try to teach immigrants the customs of their new country, but something in me thinks you shouldn’t have to teach people that rape is wrong or that western women are sluts.
To me that should fall under basic, human decency. And it does paint an extremely crappy picture of some of the "people" (I wouldn't call them animals, unfair on animals) arriving here.

lazybones32 · 09-07-2016 02:27PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Read my posts. I've theorized about how her experiences might have informed her choices.

lol! And other posters have theorised how she has acted insanely by going to police, reporting a crime, returning to police to correct the lies she told them and then took to FB to apologise to her alleged assaulter and all other immigrants. (Do you see now why I suggested that your actions aren't so different from the other posters?)

The King of Moo · 09-07-2016 02:30PM

lazybones32 wrote: »

lol! And other posters have theorised how she has acted insanely by going to police, reporting a crime, returning to police to correct the lies she told them and then took to FB to apologise to her alleged assaulter and all other immigrants. (Do you see now why I suggested that your actions aren't so different from the other posters?)

No, because I didn't leap to the bizarre conclusion that someone who suffered a traumatic experience that might have made them question their deeply-held principles is insane.

lol

Shenshen · 09-07-2016 02:33PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Norway is now running courses, teaching immigrants that western women are not sluts, that rape is wrong and just as wrong in case of your wife:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?_r=0

I feel a bit undecided about that, one the one hand it is laudable to try to teach immigrants the customs of their new country, but something in me thinks you shouldn’t have to teach people that rape is wrong or that western women are sluts.
To me that should fall under basic, human decency. And it does paint an extremely crappy picture of some of the "people" (I wouldn't call them animals, unfair on animals) arriving here.

I know what you mean, nobody should have to be taught that. It should be entirely self-evident.

But as a white woman having grown up in Western Europe, I can unfortunately testify that there's a sizeable group of white, European men who occasinally conveniently forget about all that.
So, while I actually celebrated when Germany (finally!!!) passed laws this week to actually make sexual assault a punishable offense, and to not hang the definition of rape on how much the woman dared defend herself, it annoys the life out of me that :
1) it took them flipping decades to get round to that (I was demonstrating in the streets for such legislation when I was still living in Germany 20 years ago) and
2) they only got round to it because now there were "these Arabs" in the picture. The message I'm getting from that is that society and legislators were perfectly happy to turn a blind eye as long as it was "our boys having a bit of fun", but got angry once Muslims started treating "our women" the same way.

If I was a woman who had been attacked by a migrant or a refugee, I would feel vicitmised again by the way this is being instrumentalised for political agendas on all sides.

syklops · 09-07-2016 02:47PM

Winterlong wrote: »

The woman is a nut job.

Takes one to know one.

end of the road · 09-07-2016 03:09PM

Omackeral wrote: »

That's God you're thinking of there champ.

PC exists and you are very much the poster child for it. Any thread on travellers, Islam or any so-called disadvantaged groups causing havoc will have you and your ilk coming in with your deflective whataboutery and 'thanks' for each other's frankly dangerous ideas. You fail to see that there are bad bad people in all walks off life. There are horrible travellers, , horrible immigrants, horrible Muslims, horrible blacks and horrible LGBT people. You are doing the 99% of the good ones a disservice by intentionally blindfolding yourself from the actions of the sh*theads.

dear dear. resorting to blatent lies. laughable. anyway.
pc does not exist. the fact i don't blame all of a group for the actions of a few from that group makes me a right thinking person. i am doing the 99% of the good ones a huge favour by showing those who look for any excuse to attack all individuals who are part of groups who they believe to be lower then them up for the scurge they really are. if people stuck to discussing the bad individuals who do the bad things we'd go a long way. but every time a thread on travelers, muslims, and so on comes up you have the small couple of usuals bashing everyone from the group. this is probably the first thread where such nonsense hasn't been rife. so, get over yourself

Grayson · 09-07-2016 03:14PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I know what you mean, nobody should have to be taught that. It should be entirely self-evident.

But as a white woman having grown up in Western Europe, I can unfortunately testify that there's a sizeable group of white, European men who occasinally conveniently forget about all that.
So, while I actually celebrated when Germany (finally!!!) passed laws this week to actually make sexual assault a punishable offense, and to not hang the definition of rape on how much the woman dared defend herself, it annoys the life out of me that :
1) it took them flipping decades to get round to that (I was demonstrating in the streets for such legislation when I was still living in Germany 20 years ago) and
2) they only got round to it because now there were "these Arabs" in the picture. The message I'm getting from that is that society and legislators were perfectly happy to turn a blind eye as long as it was "our boys having a bit of fun", but got angry once Muslims started treating "our women" the same way.

If I was a woman who had been attacked by a migrant or a refugee, I would feel vicitmised again by the way this is being instrumentalised for political agendas on all sides.

That's true. With or without emigrants rape would take place. Other cultures may be worse but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen here. It wasn't that long ago that a man could still legally rape his wife in this country.

lawlolawl · 09-07-2016 03:18PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

teach people that rape is wrong or that western women are sluts.

I knew it!

padd b1975 · 09-07-2016 03:20PM

Two Tone wrote: »

Indeed. Padd, on what do you base your assessment/diagnosis dude?

I base it on her actions after being raped and the definition of Stockholm Syndrome.

Two Tone · 09-07-2016 03:26PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I know what you mean, nobody should have to be taught that. It should be entirely self-evident.

But as a white woman having grown up in Western Europe, I can unfortunately testify that there's a sizeable group of white, European men who occasinally conveniently forget about all that.
So, while I actually celebrated when Germany (finally!!!) passed laws this week to actually make sexual assault a punishable offense, and to not hang the definition of rape on how much the woman dared defend herself, it annoys the life out of me that :
1) it took them flipping decades to get round to that (I was demonstrating in the streets for such legislation when I was still living in Germany 20 years ago) and
2) they only got round to it because now there were "these Arabs" in the picture. The message I'm getting from that is that society and legislators were perfectly happy to turn a blind eye as long as it was "our boys having a bit of fun", but got angry once Muslims started treating "our women" the same way.

If I was a woman who had been attacked by a migrant or a refugee, I would feel vicitmised again by the way this is being instrumentalised for political agendas on all sides.

True. Some good folks with their concern for women at the hands of Muslims have a less than appealing attitude towards women themselves when it suits.

yosser hughes · 09-07-2016 03:31PM

end of the road wrote: »

dear dear. resorting to blatent lies. laughable. anyway.
pc does not exist.

Oh it does and you are a member. What happened in Rotherham is made possible by people like you.
I can tell by your posts that you're poorly educated and hence may feel you are validating yourself somehow, by posting PC nonsense on the internet. It won't, you only look foolish.
You'd be better off furthering your education rather than venting on here.It might give you a more rounded world view.
Just some advice, I hope you take it in the spirit it's meant. Society is already paying for the consequences for your type of PC malevolence.

Banned.

German activist lied about sex assault by Arab men to avoid fueling racism

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