11 police shot, 4 officers dead after coordinated sniper fire at Dallas protest rally

Junkyard Tom · 08-07-2016 09:04PM

How many shooters were there?

JPCN1 · 08-07-2016 09:05PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

How many shooters were there?

Think only one in each case.

Junkyard Tom · 08-07-2016 09:06PM

JPCN1 wrote: »

Think only one in each case.

Sorry, should have been clearer. How man shooters were involved in killing the cops in Dallas?

Gatling · 08-07-2016 09:09PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Sorry, should have been clearer. How man shooters were involved in killing the cops in Dallas?

We're not sure definitely more than one yet the shooter that was blown up by police claimed he acted alone and so far has no known affiliations to any known groups or criminal record

super_furry · 08-07-2016 09:12PM

Wonder how long it will be before the conspiracy crowd start claiming that this was an inside job so that Obama could "steal their guns." There was some horrible stuff written and said in the aftermath of the Sandyhook massacre along those lines.

BorneTobyWilde · 08-07-2016 09:12PM

Seems there is a real lack of procedure when stopping people. Every cop does it his own way and their mistakes lead to deaths .
''Put hands where I can see them ''
'' License and registration ''
Reaches for it
'' ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! drop it drop it BANG BANG BAND BANG ! HERE HAVE ANOTHER BANG !!

What is needed is a procedure that is set in stone as to how to stop someone. A checklist way to do it. .
Can't be that hard to put in place.

goose2005 · 08-07-2016 09:15PM

Gatling wrote: »

So Lt Govennor of texas Dan Patrick called last night's protesters hypocrites for expecting the police to protect then when the shooting started because they were protesting about police violence .
“All those protesters last night, they ran the other way expecting the men and women in blue to turn around and protect them,” Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick told Fox News. “What hypocrites!”

He also said the police could stop protecting them if the harsh language and violence towards them doesn't stop,

So rather than call for peace and unity he seeks to alienate those voicing there 1st Amendment rights which he claims to be a defender of

This has already happened, the "Ferguson effect" has seen police increasingly withdraw from black communities because their treatment is so hostile. The result - a big increase in murder.

Gatling · 08-07-2016 09:20PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

What is needed is a procedure that is set in stone as to how to stop someone. A checklist way to do it. .
Can't be that hard to put in place.

Unfortunately every police department seems to be fragmented from the next department some have there own academy's ,political agenda ,unions to contest with first .

For example you can apply to become a cop in one city and fail the psyche evaluation and be tuned down and then go to another city or town and apply again and be found to be fit to become a cop

Jayop · 08-07-2016 09:25PM

goose2005 wrote: »

This has already happened, the "Ferguson effect" has seen police increasingly withdraw from black communities because their treatment is so hostile. The result - a big increase in murder.

Maybe just maybe if they hadn't spend a few hundred years targeting and abusing their power in those communities they would still be able to police in them.

Cause and effect.

Southern trees bear a strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
Black bodies swinging in the Southern breeze,
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.

You keep persecuting one section of the community, locking them up for crazy sentences, giving them criminal records so they have no chance of a job, ensuring that kids grow up with no fathers, then you really shouldn't be surprised that that community has a higher crime rate than white areas. They've been ghettoised for so long and there's a system in place to keep it that way.

super_furry · 08-07-2016 09:29PM

Exactly. What we're seeing now has a lot of parallels with what happened in Northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s, I just hope it doesn't go as far as that went.

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2016 09:35PM

Gatling wrote: »

We're not sure definitely more than one yet the shooter that was blown up by police claimed he acted alone and so far has no known affiliations to any known groups or criminal record

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Sorry, should have been clearer. How man shooters were involved in killing the cops in Dallas?

They are saying it was just the one guy now. Doesn't really add up with what the police chief himself was saying last night.

Little CuChulainn · 08-07-2016 09:39PM

Jayop wrote: »

Maybe just maybe if they hadn't spend a few hundred years targeting and abusing their power in those communities they would still be able to police in them.

Must be a very late retirement age in the American police.

Jayop · 08-07-2016 09:42PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Must be a very late retirement age in the American police.

What does this even mean in relation to what I said?

Jayop · 08-07-2016 09:44PM

super_furry wrote: »

Exactly. What we're seeing now has a lot of parallels with what happened in Northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s, I just hope it doesn't go as far as that went.

Last night was like a reverse bloody Sunday. Civil rights protest gone horribly wrong with lots of people murdered in cold blood, but instead of the authorities doing the murdering it was people who claimed to be on the side of the protesters.

Gatling · 08-07-2016 09:44PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They are saying it was just the one guy now. Doesn't really add up with what the police chief himself was saying last night.

The videos posted say other wise as well .

1 shooter blown up by police in a very unusual not seen before tactic .

5 other suspects detained but little or further information and a suspect publicly identified that had nothing to do with the shootings

lawlolawl · 08-07-2016 09:51PM

Jayop wrote: »

You keep persecuting one section of the community, locking them up for crazy sentences, giving them criminal records so they have no chance of a job, ensuring that kids grow up with no fathers, then you really shouldn't be surprised that that community has a higher crime rate than white areas. They've been ghettoised for so long and there's a system in place to keep it that way.

So, locking people up for the crimes they commit is actually a bad thing?

Maybe they could try not committing crimes? Just a thought.

Jayop · 08-07-2016 09:58PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

So, locking people up for the crimes they commit is actually a bad thing?

Maybe they could try not committing crimes? Just a thought.

It's just that simple isn't it.

How about a legal system that's absolutely stacked against black people, from things like being much more likely to stopped and searched, stopped by traffic cops, less likely to be able to afford a competent lawyer, judges much more likely to pass down a severe sentence, drugs laws being pretty much created to control and dominate black people, things like crack carrying a much more severe sentence than cocaine in a lot of areas because one is a rich white mans drug and the other a poor black mans drug, both pretty much the same thing.

Generally raised in crappy school districts, no chance of getting a decent education especially 3rd level, no chance of getting a decent job, because of the legal system a good chance of not having 2 parents around as one or the other could be locked up.

Only 2 generations back you had lynchings and no civil rights, apartheid. Do you think those attitudes among the white authorities have just died out or that the side effects from being so disenfranchised have gone? FFS they're still trying to make it as hard as they can for poor black people to vote.

But yeah, it's as simple as saying something blasé like "Maybe they could try not committing crimes?". It's just so easy isn't it.

lawlolawl · 08-07-2016 10:00PM

Reports coming in from the Associated Press that police are being targeted in Tennessee, Georgia and Missouri. An officer was shot after a false burglary call in Georgia.

Congrats Obama, BLM et al. Good move on saying the police are racists. It's turning out really well.

20Cent · 08-07-2016 10:01PM

Just read they drove one of those bomb disposal robots up to him with a bomb on it and blew him up. Jaysus.

lawlolawl · 08-07-2016 10:02PM

Jayop wrote: »

It's just that simple isn't it.

How about a legal system that's absolutely stacked against black people, from things like being much more likely to stopped and searched, stopped by traffic cops, less likely to be able to afford a competent lawyer, judges much more likely to pass down a severe sentence, drugs laws being pretty much created to control and dominate black people, things like crack carrying a much more severe sentence than cocaine in a lot of areas because one is a rich white mans drug and the other a poor black mans drug, both pretty much the same thing.

Generally raised in crappy school districts, no chance of getting a decent education especially 3rd level, no chance of getting a decent job, because of the legal system a good chance of not having 2 parents around as one or the other could be locked up.

Only 2 generations back you had lynchings and no civil rights, apartheid. Do you think those attitudes among the white authorities have just died out or that the side effects from being so disenfranchised have gone? FFS they're still trying to make it as hard as they can for poor black people to vote.

But yeah, it's as simple as saying something blasé like "Maybe they could try not committing crimes?". It's just so easy isn't it.

Explain every other racial minority (except maybe Native Americans who were/are treated deplorably) doing much better than them in the grand project that is the United States of America.

Jayop · 08-07-2016 10:03PM

Here, lawlolawl, I'll help you educate yourself so you don't continue to make statements like that again.

A quick 20 second google found the following outrageous sentences handed down to black people.

25 years in prison for selling $1,800 worth of painkillers.
A 19 year old getting life in prison without chance of Parole for selling Coke
20 years in prison for setting up a single sale of crack cocaine
42 years in prison for selling less than three grams of crack
Life in prison without the possibility of parole even though a judge said he didn't deserve it because of 3rd strike laws.

Gatling · 08-07-2016 10:03PM

20Cent wrote: »

Just read they drove one of those bomb disposal robots up to him with a bomb on it and blew him up. Jaysus.

over kill some would say

Jayop · 08-07-2016 10:04PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Reports coming in from the Associated Press that police are being targeted in Tennessee, Georgia and Missouri. An officer was shot after a false burglary call in Georgia.

Congrats Obama, BLM et al. Good move on saying the police are racists. It's turning out really well.

Rather than blame Obama for stating the obvious, why not blame the cops for being racist in the first place.

Either that or blame the people shooting them. Why pick someone who literally just said what anyone with eyes could see? An axe to grind perhaps?

Jayop · 08-07-2016 10:05PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Explain every other racial minority (except maybe Native Americans who were/are treated deplorably) doing much better than them in the grand project that is the United States of America.

None were treated the same as the black community historically so there's no comparison, but I think you'll find the latino community share a lot of the same issues.

edit: and well done for addressing none of my points and just using whataboutery! Bravo sir.

lawlolawl · 08-07-2016 10:07PM

BRISTOL, TENN.—Authorities in Tennessee say a man who opened fire on a highway in Tennessee targeted police officers and others because he was troubled by incidents involving black people and law enforcement officers.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation says in a news release that initial conversations with the suspect, identified as Lakeem Keon Scott revealed he was troubled by incidents across the U.S. The TBI says the suspect is black; the shooting victims are all white.

Investigators say Scott killed one person and wounded three others, including a police officer. Scott had two guns early Thursday morning when he shot at a motel in Bristol, Tennessee, and then shot indiscriminately at several passing cars. When he was confronted by police, he fired at the three officers who responded.

The suspect was shot by the officers and is being treated at a hospital. He has not yet been charged.

Hmmmm. All the victims were white and the shooter is black but that won't be racism because of reasons, right?

08-07-2016 10:08PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Seems there is a real lack of procedure when stopping people. Every cop does it his own way and their mistakes lead to deaths .
''Put hands where I can see them ''
'' License and registration ''
Reaches for it
'' ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! drop it drop it BANG BANG BAND BANG ! HERE HAVE ANOTHER BANG !!

What is needed is a procedure that is set in stone as to how to stop someone. A checklist way to do it. .
Can't be that hard to put in place.

Pretty much what I was thinking. That a country thinks it's normal for cops to have to be so on-edge the whole time is incredible. But if that's how it is then every stop should involve the driver getting out with hands exposed.

Also alarming (to me) is the referring to non-cops as civilians. Cops are civilians too, it's like another little ratchet towards the militarisation of the police over there.

lawlolawl · 08-07-2016 10:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty much what I was thinking. That a country thinks it's normal for cops to have to be so on-edge the whole time is incredible. But if that's how it is then every stop should involve the driver getting out with hands exposed.

It's almost as if police tend to get killed more often when dealing with certain people so they exercise more caution around them.

LiamoSail · 08-07-2016 10:11PM

Shock ensues as easy access to guns for dumb and angry people results in shootings in war mongering country.

Jayop · 08-07-2016 10:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty much what I was thinking. That a country thinks it's normal for cops to have to be so on-edge the whole time is incredible. But if that's how it is then every stop should involve the driver getting out with hands exposed.

Also alarming (to me) is the referring to non-cops as civilians. Cops are civilians too, it's like another little ratchet towards the militarisation of the police over there.

Nice way to get around the bit about not setting the military against it's own people is by militarizing the police.

Fecking exploding robots.

Jayop · 08-07-2016 10:13PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

It's almost as if police tend to get killed more often when dealing with certain people so they exercise more caution around them.

It's almost as if certain people tend to be killed much more by the cops so they are very wary in dealing with them. :rolleyes:

11 police shot, 4 officers dead after coordinated sniper fire at Dallas protest rally

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